Sorry, but that was a bit too long to quote, but it was the OP, so.
But this is bascially the reason my first character joined the imperials, except, I didn't think so much about the state of Windhelm, but it is a valid point, but can be counter-argued that he has alot less resources to work with, and still has to try and outmatch the imperial forces.
But most importantly (to me) was the racism, I had been debating in my mind who to join, but first time entering Windhelm, and listning to those guys call out a Dunmer, only to try and beat me up for being a Bosmer? Then shit just got real!
True, but the Stormcloaks didn't try to execute you within the first 5 minutes of the game. Also, if you go deep enough into Imperial territory, you'll find the same problems. Markarth, for example looks like a sad and depressing stony town that is completely controlled by a single noble family. Everyone either works in the mines or is constantly being harassed by the Forsworn who will harass any trade you plan to do. (And before you say that the Silver-Bloods are mostly in support of the Storm-Cloaks, the Jarl still accepts Imperial rule.)
Both sides have some pretty bad ruling habits man.
The Jarl has accepted imperial rules, because Ulfric fucked shit up in the first place, he will even tell you that himself, Ulfric startet the uprising there.
The only thing going against The Empire is they tried to kill me, once and failed just slightly... also religious oppresion, but who cares about that? Oh wait, Talos...
Tyrant T100 said:
As most people can associate with having their culture stolen through the EU, removal of US Amendments, mass immigration, political correctness ect.
LOL, that's called change and it happens. Most cultures endure over time, people just like ot make themselves busy thinking they're being "attacked", so boring is civilisation.
As I said, the Empire had to bow to the Dominion because the Empire would have fallen to them if they hadn't.[/quote]
Actually, they could have fought them off just like hammerfell did when they were by themselves. I mean if hammerfell could get a stalemate against the Thalmor so can the Empire. But it seem a bit to late now since they got rid of so much of their strength. Mages guide, no talos, a thalmor outpost everywhere it seems.
personally I sided with the storm cloaks for a multitude of reasons
1. Played a Nord who is a bit of a patriot
2. I ran into the thalmor before i made a decision and i thought like an old guard of cyrodill
they ere criminal scum
3. I am dragon born dovakiin whom ever i but by lot in with shall win, I have slain gods, killed hundreds of dragons, can kill with a whisper and my sword has tasted the blood of all races and screams for the blood of the thalmor king
I am known by many names
Murderer
Assassin
Thief
Agent of Sithis
Godslayer
Stormcloak
Arch mage
Bard
Dragon born
Thane
I'm only with the Stormcloaks because I was following that one guy right at the start of the game. Now that I know I have an option I'm going to go with the Empire in my next playthrough.
I found that in Skyrim, the two main factions are kinda under characterised. The stormcloaks, (who I assume are supposed to be the good guys) are Racist dickbags, alot of whom tried to kill my sexy high elf, and caught a severe case of death because of it, And the empire, whilst (I assume) are supposed to be the baddies, the only nasty imperial is that ***** captain who condemns you to death for no damn reason (She got burned too.) So for me, I prefer the Imperials, but I only realised that after I'd already fucking joined the damn stormcloaks.
But I've yet to see the stormcloaks carry out an execution. Especially for such petty reasons the empire do them for! This is not the good old empire, this is something perverse and tyrannical. I might not agree with everything ulfric says, but I hate this new empire.
Dude, I agree wholeheartedly, as does my girlfriend. All of the points culminate for us in joining the imperial legion. Yes they tried to cut your head off, but it was just an honest mistake.
There is absolutely no reason why Skyrim should succeed from the empire, aside from weakening it greatly. Not to mention being called a "thieving greenskin" all the time (I'm an Orc) is annoying as fuck and they're essentially just a bunch of racist KKK pricks.
Also, holy shit I'm not the only one who thought Windhelm was a shithole!?!
i went stormcloak for these reasons:
1. even if they are rascist it doesn't matter cuz i cant expect anyone to "accept" forigners and the fact they dont kill e'm on sight shows they at least tolerate them.
2. the empire is a dead duck especially after you (spoiler) kill the emperor as the dark brotherhood let alone its alienation of its allies in hammerfell (redgaurds)
3. the stormcloaks wont compromise thier beliefs even with the threat of destruction showing that they have actual dedication to thier faith and morals (however much you may disagree with those morals)
4. sure its a slum now but it can get better with proper management visavi yours truly
5. sure they haven't done anything about the thieves guild but niether did the lord of cheydinhal do anything about the dark brotherhood sanctuary and murderes are worse than pick-pockets
I found that in Skyrim, the two main factions are kinda under characterised. The stormcloaks, (who I assume are supposed to be the good guys) are Racist dickbags, alot of whom tried to kill my sexy high elf, and caught a severe case of death because of it, And the empire, whilst (I assume) are supposed to be the baddies, the only nasty imperial is that ***** captain who condemns you to death for no damn reason (She got burned too.) So for me, I prefer the Imperials, but I only realised that after I'd already fucking joined the damn stormcloaks.
I see what you're saying, but I don't think they're underdeveloped (well, not for a Bethesda sandbox game, anyway). Both sides have their reasons and neither is wholly good or wholly evil, which gives roleplayers less definition but more flexibility. I like it, really, even though I sided with the Empire the first time because I got lost in the prologue.
"Don't put your faith in revolutions. They always come around again. People die, and nothing changes."
My Nord has so far been too busy consorting with the more unpleasant class of Daedra to choose sides, but when I get around to it, he'll be following in the footsteps of Legate Rikke.
(My only temptation to side with Ulfric comes from the fact that hearing "the eight divines" sets my teeth on edge.)
I joined the imperials mostly for the fact that it seemed like they were forced to kill me because i was caught with Ulfric and they had no proof i wasn't with him. Besides I haven't played a lot but from what I've seen people perfer the empire that mostly let them do their own thing rather than the rebel's who believe they are the best race there is. Besides I've always wanted to run into a town yelling we are legion.
I'm Bosmer, I care not for Nord or Imperial, their fight is their own. That said, I got Phat lootz with the Empire, and the Stormcloaks are a trifle peevish.
The trouble with Revolutions is that usually the rebels care far too much about taking power and far too little about using it well. If the Nords ruled Skyrim then it'd be cleared of Elves and infested with bandits within a century. The Empire, on the other hand, represents a civilisation with a strong army, an iron-fisted government and an efficient societal model. That, coupled with Skyrim's abundance of natural resources, engenders a economic climate wherein progress is limitless.
Of course, all of this would be done for the "glory of the Aldmeri" and they wouldn't dare let that kind of thing happen in the hands of the "lower races". They would take all the best stuff for themselves and let the rest fight over the scraps. There will be no true progress for anybody other than those in power.
It seems from the many polls that have been taken on the subject, that most Skyrim players seem to be going with the Stormcloaks, and I can't figure out why. In the following post, I will make four points, after reading, feel free to respond and argue with my points.
1) The White-Gold concordat will surely be broken soon, and it will not be long before war with the Ald'meri Dominion resurfaces. If the Stormcloaks take hold of Skyrim, how can they even hope to defend themselves? The Ald'meri Dominion are an incredibly powerful force, how is a team of rag tag rebels ever going to defend Skyrim, especially after having just emerged from such a costly war?
This is true. Though the Ald'meri Dominion lacks the general they once had when invading cyrodiil (Was captured, and hung from the White-Gold Tower for 30 days). This could play to both the Stormcloacks, and the empires favor. Also, after the White-Gold concordat, the armies of Hammerfell still fought the Dominion and won. If you want read 'The great war" for more details on that
2) Ulfric Stormcloak cannot run Skyrim. Have you seen Windhelm? The place is a total mess. The entire place is more like a stony slum than a city. The streets are filth ridden and the people are starving. Riften is even worse, the guard know exactly where the thieves guild are hiding, but apparently Ulfric doesn't want to waste reinforcements. He can't even manage his section of Skyrim well enough to eradicate a group of pick pockets. How will he ever run an entire continent of Tamriel?
Windhelm looks that way, because it is the oldest town in Skyrim! After almost 600 years, any town would start looking pretty decrepit. As for the people starving in the streets, I saw no such thing. Everybody seemed to have work.
3) Ulfric is a total manchild, and only cares about power. Main story spoilers coming up.
During the peace treaty with the Imperials, he acted like a child. he kicked up a fuss because he didn't want to be in the same room as a Thalmore, and then proceeded to demand city after city to be surrendered to the Stormcloaks, whilst ranting away at the Imperials with his bile about "true sons of Skyrim". Even in the face of the total destruction of Skyrim, he continued to act like a child, and to further his own power.
Wouldn't you be displeased if you had to sit in the room with your largest enemy, who has forsaken your favorite god? If you answer no you need mental help. The imperials also wanted city after city from the stormcloaks as well during the peace treaty.
4) Last, but not least, the Stormcloaks are racist nationalists, that think the fact that they are the "correct" race means that they should be allowed Skyrim, and that other races should not have authority or power, because they aren't the right race. Homeland or no homeland, these guys are basically the Skyrim equivalent of the BNP.
From, their view, putting other races in charge of their homeland, only yielded the death and conquering of their own. They were fed up with a fragile old Empires ways of giving up traditions and land hand-over-fist through 'treaties'. So, by putting their own nords into offices, they could better control their territory.
On my first char, I joined the Empire and on my second char I tried stormcloaks. I couldn't do more than the two first quests before I got too disgusted by them.
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