Alright, well why couldn't you? Clearly it only takes one hand to hold a bird (especially the kind that hide in bushes), so you could have one in each hand.Jonluw said:And I explained that your reason for it not making sense is faulty. You can't chase after the two birds in the bush without losing the bird in your hand.Xojins said:Sigh, yes I know what this saying means, I know what it implies etc. My point was that it doesn't make sense to me because of what I said in my previous post.Jonluw said:"A bird in your hand" implies that you have the bird for sure. You have managed to catch this bird. Do you not agree that it is better to have caught a bird for sure than to have the possibility to catch to others?Xojins said:I know what it means, it's just a weird saying that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me; why couldn't you try getting two birds? You don't have to let the one you have go. And why is a bird in your hand in the first place?Jonluw said:A bird in the hand is a bird that you have caught for sure.Xojins said:"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". Doesn't really make sense to me.
You might have a chance of catching those two birds in the bush, but you shouldn't let go of the bird in your hand to do that.
Ask yourself what situation you would rather be in:
The one where you're holding a tasty treat for dinner in your hand, or the one where two tasty, but very jumpy dinner-treats are hiding in a bush nearby?
Edit: We're not talking about a scenario where you have a bird in the hand and there are two in the bush. There are two different scenarios, and the saying is asking which one you'd rather be in.
The saying contains two different universes: One where you have a bird in you hand, and one where there are two in a nearby bush. You can't have both.
Because: The scenario the saying presents isn't one where you have one bird in your hand and two in the bush. You either have one bird in your hand or you have two in the bush. These are two different scenarios. You can't have both, and what the saying is telling you is that the former scenario is the preferrable one.Xojins said:Alright, well why couldn't you? Clearly it only takes one hand to hold a bird (especially the kind that hide in bushes), so you could have one in each hand.Jonluw said:And I explained that your reason for it not making sense is faulty. You can't chase after the two birds in the bush without losing the bird in your hand.Xojins said:Sigh, yes I know what this saying means, I know what it implies etc. My point was that it doesn't make sense to me because of what I said in my previous post.Jonluw said:"A bird in your hand" implies that you have the bird for sure. You have managed to catch this bird. Do you not agree that it is better to have caught a bird for sure than to have the possibility to catch to others?Xojins said:I know what it means, it's just a weird saying that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me; why couldn't you try getting two birds? You don't have to let the one you have go. And why is a bird in your hand in the first place?Jonluw said:A bird in the hand is a bird that you have caught for sure.Xojins said:"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". Doesn't really make sense to me.
You might have a chance of catching those two birds in the bush, but you shouldn't let go of the bird in your hand to do that.
Ask yourself what situation you would rather be in:
The one where you're holding a tasty treat for dinner in your hand, or the one where two tasty, but very jumpy dinner-treats are hiding in a bush nearby?
Edit: We're not talking about a scenario where you have a bird in the hand and there are two in the bush. There are two different scenarios, and the saying is asking which one you'd rather be in.
The saying contains two different universes: One where you have a bird in you hand, and one where there are two in a nearby bush. You can't have both.
I think I read the goose saying was from a children's book that I read in Kindergarten...Karma168 said:the expression "wouldn't say boo to a goose" meaning someone who is timid/shy is confusing to me. what does a goose have to do with being shy? :s
What Xojins is saying is that in the case that he has a bird in the hand and two in the bush, he doesn't get why he can't go after the birds in the bush while keeping the first bird. So I'm trying to explain that you don't necessarily have both a bird in your hand and two birds in the bush.believer258 said:Both of you are facepalming like crazy right about now.Jonluw said:Because: The scenario the saying presents isn't one where you have one bird in your hand and two in the bush. You either have one bird in your hand or you have two in the bush. These are two different scenarios. You can't have both, and what the saying is telling you is that the former scenario is the preferrable one.Xojins said:Alright, well why couldn't you? Clearly it only takes one hand to hold a bird (especially the kind that hide in bushes), so you could have one in each hand.Jonluw said:And I explained that your reason for it not making sense is faulty. You can't chase after the two birds in the bush without losing the bird in your hand.Xojins said:Sigh, yes I know what this saying means, I know what it implies etc. My point was that it doesn't make sense to me because of what I said in my previous post.Jonluw said:"A bird in your hand" implies that you have the bird for sure. You have managed to catch this bird. Do you not agree that it is better to have caught a bird for sure than to have the possibility to catch to others?Xojins said:I know what it means, it's just a weird saying that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me; why couldn't you try getting two birds? You don't have to let the one you have go. And why is a bird in your hand in the first place?Jonluw said:A bird in the hand is a bird that you have caught for sure.Xojins said:"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". Doesn't really make sense to me.
You might have a chance of catching those two birds in the bush, but you shouldn't let go of the bird in your hand to do that.
Ask yourself what situation you would rather be in:
The one where you're holding a tasty treat for dinner in your hand, or the one where two tasty, but very jumpy dinner-treats are hiding in a bush nearby?
Edit: We're not talking about a scenario where you have a bird in the hand and there are two in the bush. There are two different scenarios, and the saying is asking which one you'd rather be in.
The saying contains two different universes: One where you have a bird in you hand, and one where there are two in a nearby bush. You can't have both.
I don't understand how you couldn't fathom choosing between something you already have and will keep until you decide to get rid of it, or giving that up so that you can have a slight chance at getting something better. You'll probably lose the something better and then you'll have nothing. Hence, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I know you get the meaning, so why don't you get the scenario?
Now I'm betting that I'm in the facepalming, too.
EDIT: OH! I see what both of you are saying. The original guy is saying the scenario I wrote above; the other one is talking about two different universes. Both mean the same thing, it's just that most people would think of the one I wrote and the original fellow.