Student Protest
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9000 pounds a year? at the current exchange rate between the USD and BPS that totals to $14,553.80 I pay the equivalent of 13,900.20 British pounds PER SEMESTER. Thats 27,800.40 per year in British pounds.
And last i checked the consensus is that the quality of higher education in the UK is better than here in the US. Still think you guys are getting a raw deal?
And last i checked the consensus is that the quality of higher education in the UK is better than here in the US. Still think you guys are getting a raw deal?
Not anymore. The caps raised but the grant limit stays at 3,000. This is the problem.The Rockerfly said:
I kinda hope the government pays some attention because even though I don't intend to go to university, I have a lot of friends that though, a couple of which actually went to this protest.
I doubt they were the ones starting the riot though. They couldn't kick a fly if they were forced to.
I doubt they were the ones starting the riot though. They couldn't kick a fly if they were forced to.
1. The benefits to society of having a lot of well-educated people will inevitably come back around to benefit the taxpayer. It was this way for a long time, and people were fine with it. Hell, my parents went to uni for free.brainless_fps_player said:
2. It applies to the students who would be leaving university from the point the act was passed. You'd then have only the beneficiaries of the service paying into it, and those who benefited more pay more. It's simple and fair.
The underlying assumption here being that the truly bright will always come from wealthy families.The Rockerfly said:
I'm not sure that's the case, given the size of the 'un-wealthy' class in the UK. I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that the raw majority of students don't have the dosh.
The idea is to stimulate growth of advanced industries by providing a qualified workforce. This has happened. I'm not so sure about the whole 'everyone needs a degree' thing people complain about. I know a fair few employers or ex-employers who say that they don't really give a toss as long as you've got applicable talents, unless your degree is from somewhere really fancy.
That's the thing right there. Things like this just seem to further polarise society. Just look at the income inequality in the USA. It's massive.
Sounds easy on paper, doesn't it?FoAmY99 said:
Have you compared the size of the economy of the US and the UK?
Have you compared the price of living in each country?
Have you compared the size of the actual employment market?
Have you compared the average & minimal pay in both countries?
Now you tell me why you guys are paying more than the people in UK.
I'm for the protest, not the damage.lacktheknack said:
A more effective, less expensive protest would be arranging for nearly nobody to sign up for Universities anywhere the following year until the government lowered the price.
I agree 100%
I think you need to come to Canada. I'm at one of the top five universities here for $6000 a year.FoAmY99 said:
Yer i heard about that, i heard the police beat people for no reason, the protesters did well to not turn violentciancon said:
Ur right i did miss that, that is too far lykBobic said:
No no im British, its the only thing playing on the BBC news, admittedly i dont know about other news stations...brainless_fps_player said:Yeah, you're obviously not British. If anything, the media is more up in arms about the prices going up.
Also, Scottish students still paying lessSorry England!
Edit: Is it not only for Arts subjects, as they don't actually teach vocations that contribute to the economy?
The concept of raising the fees seems somewhat elitist (I don't know much about this problem though, so if I'm incorrect, correct me). A raise in fees just means that poorer people, such as myself, have a much harder time getting into university. No wonder there's violent protests, I can barely pay my tuition now, I would hate if it suddenly tripled.
I fully support the protest, because as far as I know, there was only very limited violence considering the amount of people there. It sent a very important message to the coalition - not everyone has a spare £20,000 - £30,00 lying around. Admittedly, I won't be as affected as some people, but my parents will have to pay for my older brother to go to what will probably be a mediocre uni and then pay for me and my twin brother, and I plan to get the grades to be able to get to a top-end university (Cambridge) Now, my parents are going to be very poor and I'll be helping them, so I'll have debts up to £30,000.
He's paying some $55000 per year for university. The average annual wage is less then $40000.ActivatorX said:
Don't be smug. America is not some economic wonderland.
Exactly.lacktheknack said:
Back to Britain though. Our students should go and visit France, and learn real civil obedience. The Student loan thing is ridiculous, we are one step away from having to pay as much as the Americans, yet we have a worse university system (overall).
It's even worse when you consider all of the politicians got their higher education for free. At the same time, most of the students probably voted Tory, so they'll have to suck it.
The government should place a higher value on the trades, invest more money into apprenticeships (ie make it so you can live of the money you're supposed to be earning while doing one, instead of paying apprentices £20 a week or whatever), and re-classify degrees in non traditional courses, like Performing Arts, with their own awards system that is relevant to that line of work only. Faaaar to many people have done degrees in courses non related to the graduate position they are now working for. In that situation, anyone should be eligible, or a specialist person should. Basically, what I'm saying is make degrees important and relevant again, unlike what they are now