Xsjadoblayde said:
Well then Fox screwed the pouch on that one.Zeconte said:
Because as it stands in the comics very few lines are doing well, and FF was one of them before it got cancelled. That's to say nothing of the fact merchandise isn't as much of a zero sum game as many think for a company like Marvel in its current Disney owned state. Making a few hundred thousand Fantastic Four toys to sell along side their Spider-Man and Avengers ones wouldn't be likely to detract from those other ones. Removing them from shelves was pure spite towards Fox.
Marvel was pissed about how the film was made so Ike Perlmutter ordered the IP trashed.Zontar said:Xsjadoblayde said:Well then Fox screwed the pouch on that one.Zeconte said:Because as it stands in the comics very few lines are doing well, and FF was one of them before it got cancelled. That's to say nothing of the fact merchandise isn't as much of a zero sum game as many think for a company like Marvel in its current Disney owned state. Making a few hundred thousand Fantastic Four toys to sell along side their Spider-Man and Avengers ones wouldn't be likely to detract from those other ones. Removing them from shelves was pure spite towards Fox.
A rare instance of Perlmutter not actively making the MCU worst. Seriously after the shit he pulled leaving to Feige going straight to Disney and demanding he answer to them directly or he'd quit to get Marvel Studios out from under him, I have no idea how he continues to operate Marvel Television and Marvel Incorporated. He's the only reason the Netflix series, AoS and the movies aren't having more cameos and cross overs, the ones everyone and their dog have been demanding since the movies stopped being the only MCU properties.MatParker116 said:
Honestly, I was doing the opposite. BvS was so God awful that it killed my interest in Suicide Squad, which I was actually looking forward to as opposed to BvS.Scarim Coral said:
Flashbacks and dream sequences. We can't forget the dream sequences. Every movie needs 12 dream sequences!undeadsuitor said:
...How are you spiting Dawn of Justice... by proving to WB that you'll buy a ticket to a DC movie no matter what the hell they shovel into it the franchise?Scarim Coral said:
Alright blind DC fanboy side mode on.Saltyk said:
Wait aren't most of those films[footnote]Besides "Gigli" I guess[/footnote] you listed regarded as so-bad-it's-good ludicrously enjoyable watches despite reaching new levels of awful?Samtemdo8 said:Alright blind DC fanboy side mode on.Saltyk said:
You have not seen many movies if you think BvS was the worst thing ever
And I come from the opinion that BvS is at worst a 3/5 "meh I've seen worse, but it could have been better"
I am just flabbergasted that it's being treated as bad on the level of the Room, Gigli, Birdemic, and Food Fight.
Unbelievably unfair and overly high standards
To use Marvel as an example Carol Danvers was moments from appearing at the end of AOU in place of Scarlett Witch, one of the many reasons she was cut was that Civil War would have had to dance around the fact that here is a woman who is a Hulk you can reason with. On top of that if you hit her hard enough she turns into a cosmic force, who ever gives her the successful pitch would win easily.Evonisia said:Wait aren't most of those films[footnote]Besides "Gigli" I guess[/footnote] you listed regarded as so-bad-it's-good ludicrously enjoyable watches despite reaching new levels of awful?Samtemdo8 said:Alright blind DC fanboy side mode on.Saltyk said:
You have not seen many movies if you think BvS was the worst thing ever
And I come from the opinion that BvS is at worst a 3/5 "meh I've seen worse, but it could have been better"
I am just flabbergasted that it's being treated as bad on the level of the Room, Gigli, Birdemic, and Food Fight.
Unbelievably unfair and overly high standards
The hate for BvS, at least most of what I've seen of course, was just that it sucked. A lot.
OT: Well that's a shame. Given how editing was one of the big complaints about BvS as well I'm getting the impression these films are either trying to do way too much and/or are just being stepped on from the higher-ups to compensate for the middling commercial performance of the DCCU thus far.
This. The rivalry is only from fans. I was a Marvel fanboy growing up but nowadays, I am just too old to care. I still love Batman and Flash and Superman. I still want them to have good movies. I would rather have a movie shelf with both good Marvel and DC movies on it than care about some pissing match.Zontar said:
I think the reason BvS is so flabbergasting is that the movie didn't have to be great, it just had to be good and fun. Many of us grew up watching Keaton and Reeve's in theatres. These were fun super hero movies. We all went into BvS wanting to like it, and willing to grade it on a curve. Wanting to see the long overdue Batman and Superman in the same movie having friendly cometition, duke it out, then work together. We were not expecting some long winded mope fest of Super hypocrit vs. Hypocrit man. I could go on and on about this movie but the big thing to take away is this, even a generic movie with both Batman and Superman that was focused on fun would have went over better. This emo movie we got was a huge drag. You come out of the movie feeling depressed. The whole movie is depressing scene after depressing scene with an occasional brutal action sequence and ends with a death.Samtemdo8 said:Alright blind DC fanboy side mode on.
You have not seen many movies if you think BvS was the worst thing ever
And I come from the opinion that BvS is at worst a 3/5 "meh I've seen worse, but it could have been better"
I am just flabbergasted that it's being treated as bad on the level of the Room, Gigli, Birdemic, and Food Fight.
Unbelievably unfair and overly high standards
Here's the problem. Those movies are bad. Objectively worse than BvS. However, they are entertainingly bad. They are so bad that you can laugh at them and enjoy that.Samtemdo8 said:Alright blind DC fanboy side mode on.Saltyk said:
You have not seen many movies if you think BvS was the worst thing ever
And I come from the opinion that BvS is at worst a 3/5 "meh I've seen worse, but it could have been better"
I am just flabbergasted that it's being treated as bad on the level of the Room, Gigli, Birdemic, and Food Fight.
Unbelievably unfair and overly high standards
No No No the "Its so bad its good" arguement is just giving these shit movies a pass.Evonisia said:Wait aren't most of those films[footnote]Besides "Gigli" I guess[/footnote] you listed regarded as so-bad-it's-good ludicrously enjoyable watches despite reaching new levels of awful?Samtemdo8 said:Alright blind DC fanboy side mode on.Saltyk said:
You have not seen many movies if you think BvS was the worst thing ever
And I come from the opinion that BvS is at worst a 3/5 "meh I've seen worse, but it could have been better"
I am just flabbergasted that it's being treated as bad on the level of the Room, Gigli, Birdemic, and Food Fight.
Unbelievably unfair and overly high standards
The hate for BvS, at least most of what I've seen of course, was just that it sucked. A lot.
OT: Well that's a shame. Given how editing was one of the big complaints about BvS as well I'm getting the impression these films are either trying to do way too much and/or are just being stepped on from the higher-ups to compensate for the middling commercial performance of the DCCU thus far.
What I said.Saltyk said:Here's the problem. Those movies are bad. Objectively worse than BvS. However, they are entertainingly bad. They are so bad that you can laugh at them and enjoy that.Samtemdo8 said:Alright blind DC fanboy side mode on.Saltyk said:
You have not seen many movies if you think BvS was the worst thing ever
And I come from the opinion that BvS is at worst a 3/5 "meh I've seen worse, but it could have been better"
I am just flabbergasted that it's being treated as bad on the level of the Room, Gigli, Birdemic, and Food Fight.
Unbelievably unfair and overly high standards
BvS was just plain bad. Boring bad. Bad in a way that you just didn't care about or enjoy it. The Room may be a 1/10 while BvS is a 3/10, but that's almost a bigger sin. I can't even laugh at how incompetently it was put together.
