Super Mario Sunshine?

[FPLOON]

"Alright! Another 3D Mario platformer just like Mario 64!"
The F.L.U.D.D. is the main focus in the platforming...
"Okay! I just made it to the cave and... the game takes my F.L.U.D.D away... The fuck?"
Now, it like that Mario 64 you like so much...
"NO, it isn't! GOD!!! The fucking camera!!! The fucking jumping!!! Fucking EVERYTHING!!! Fuck this game!!"
...That was only the third shine, though...

OT: Honestly, I thinks it just that it didn't live up to the expectations set by Mario 64... and even when you give it a chance, the controls(?) and camera(!) makes everything more difficult than it should be...

I still can't get over all of the dicks on the island, who are holding shines for ransom basically, but I don't find the game terrible in the sense that it's the worse 3D Mario platformer so far... (It's just... different...)

So part of the reason might've been that Nintendo had just come off of one its biggest wins ever and the bar was set so unbelievably high that people were probably gonna be disappointed no matter what? Maybe I need to go back and replay it. I don't really remember the camera giving me too much trouble and I remember adapting the controls quite well.

That goes double for me... since when I first played Sunshine, I never even touched Mario 64... I remember being one or two shines away from beating the game... Too bad the copy of said game wasn't mine, though...

When I did hear these kind of complaints, it baffled me to no end... Maybe I need to actually play Mario 64, since I have yet to do so... still... (Don't judge me...)

 

[ScrabbitRabbit]

I'd never played 64 (still not played anything past the first five minutes) but I still didn't like Sunshine. I found it boring, full of what felt like busywork and found it way too slow.

In recent years I've come to like it, though.


With regards to never having played 64... is the DS version worth getting?

 

[dl_wraith]

When I did hear these kind of complaints, it baffled me to no end... Maybe I need to actually play Mario 64, since I have yet to do so... still... (Don't judge me...)

[Jumps out of bedroom closet with a fierce look and points judgementally at FPLOON]

EVIL. MONKEY!

Sorry. Had to.

 

[alik44]

Hmm well in my opinion, i always considered super mario sunshine as one of the best mario game. back when this first came out, a lot of people complained that it was not like mario 64, people looked down on it because this. while when it saw it, yes it was something new, but to me it was better than 64. it had a new gameplay, it had better characters (they actually talk...except mario but im used to that). and even nowadays, sunshine is better than most of the new mario release.

But then again it might have been something with sunshine that u didn't notice. but all an all, i still have my gamecube, still have sunshine, and i will still play it.

 

[FPLOON]

When I did hear these kind of complaints, it baffled me to no end... Maybe I need to actually play Mario 64, since I have yet to do so... still... (Don't judge me...)

[Jumps out of bedroom closet with a fierce look and points judgementally at FPLOON]

EVIL. MONKEY!

Sorry. Had to.

Oh, hai monkey... Say, do you have an extra copy of Mario 64? Apparently, there's an angry mob outside my door that's going to kill me for saying that I never played the mother of all 3D Mario platformers... Is it anything like Sunshine?

(Sorry... Had to play along...)

 

[Verlander]

I wasn't overly impressed with the "cleaning up pollution" aspect. I like the message, but it slowed the game play down. Definitely a good game, but Luigi's Mansion was better

 

[aozgolo]

I think Luigi's Mansion kinda helped establish a bias towards the Mario Franchise at that point. After the N64, we were ready for a new Mario game, and our first taste came in the form of a gimmick based spin-off title where Luigi sucks up ghosts, definitely not what people want from a Mario game all about platforming. So when Sunshine came out people latched onto the whole FLUDD mechanic which was being discussed in every single preview and review of the game as a "core mechanic" and I'll admit that I also felt this wasn't going to be a true Mario game, it was another gimmick based game that lost track of what a great Mario game was...

until I played it at one of those little gameplay kiosks at Walmart.

The thing about FLUDD is no matter how gimmicky it may seem, it's built ON TOP OF very tight Mario controls, all the classic Mario style platforming is still intact and the level designs are amazing. What got me was the degree of interaction it gives you with your environment. It may seem a little silly now but back when I first played it, the fact that I could shimmy up any given tree and do a backwards somersault ground stomp off it kind of sold the game for me. It was just amazing how well the game was designed. I enjoyed the tropical paradise quite a bit and nothing about the game really annoyed me, even the FLUDD mechanic was well designed, it enhanced standard Mario gameplay instead of detracting from it.

Anyway that's my two cents, I believe because of FLUDD people didn't want to give it the chance to be considered a "true blue" Mario game, especially in the wake of the Luigi's Mansion spinoff.

 

[EyeReaper]

well, my main gripe was, even by Mario's normal line of story, the plot in sunshine was really stupid, in fact, I might even call it the worst plot in all of gaming. Besides that, the game is great though.

 

[keniakittykat]

I never owned an n64 because it was too expensive, so I never played Mario 64 before playing Sunshine.

I love that game, and I think the main reason people don't like it is because they're blinded by nostalgia goggles. And the backlash may be the reason there hasn't really been an open world Mario game since.

 

[Padwolf]

I didn't know people had an issue! To me it's one of the best Mario games, it's also one of my favourite games for the Gamecube. I thought Fludd was quite fun and I liked it because it was something new and something different. To be completely honest I had a lot more fun with it than I did with Galaxy and a little more than I had with Mario 64. I found the levels to be enjoyable and fun, the music was great, the mini games were a lot of fun too. I liked the open world.

 

[dl_wraith]

When I did hear these kind of complaints, it baffled me to no end... Maybe I need to actually play Mario 64, since I have yet to do so... still... (Don't judge me...)

[Jumps out of bedroom closet with a fierce look and points judgementally at FPLOON]

EVIL. MONKEY!

Sorry. Had to.

Oh, hai monkey... Say, do you have an extra copy of Mario 64? Apparently, there's an angry mob outside my door that's going to kill me for saying that I never played the mother of all 3D Mario platformers... Is it anything like Sunshine?

(Sorry... Had to play along...)

As it happens I may just have a DS copy knocking about somewhere. I got given one as a present and had one bundled with my original DS. I still have mt N64 but no Mario64 cart. [looks outside windows to see if the angry mob have found us yet]

I'll take a look for it tonight but beware - it's nowhere near as good as they say. I honestly had more fun with Sunshine. And Spyro. And Jak and Daxter. And DEFINATELY Ratchet and clank (but to be fair, that was a different kettle of fish altogether)

 

[dl_wraith]

well, my main gripe was, even by Mario's normal line of story, the plot in sunshine was really stupid, in fact, I might even call it the worst plot in all of gaming. Besides that, the game is great though.

Hey, Reaper, I know this may sound like I'm being contentious so please take this in the spirit its intended (friendly banter):

If you're playing Mario games for cohesive plots (or even expecting one in any Mario game) then you need to play more franchises, dude

Sorry Mario - your cohesive plot is in another castle. Gee, thanks, talking mushroom guy.

Ah....maybe we should start a thread about bafflingly bad game plots though. Should raise a few chuckles.

 

[FPLOON]

When I did hear these kind of complaints, it baffled me to no end... Maybe I need to actually play Mario 64, since I have yet to do so... still... (Don't judge me...)

[Jumps out of bedroom closet with a fierce look and points judgementally at FPLOON]

EVIL. MONKEY!

Sorry. Had to.

Oh, hai monkey... Say, do you have an extra copy of Mario 64? Apparently, there's an angry mob outside my door that's going to kill me for saying that I never played the mother of all 3D Mario platformers... Is it anything like Sunshine?

(Sorry... Had to play along...)

As it happens I may just have a DS copy knocking about somewhere. I got given one as a present and had one bundled with my original DS. I still have mt N64 but no Mario64 cart. [looks outside windows to see if the angry mob have found us yet]

I'll take a look for it tonight but beware - it's nowhere near as good as they say. I honestly had more fun with Sunshine. And Spyro. And Jak and Daxter. And DEFINATELY Ratchet and clank (but to be fair, that was a different kettle of fish altogether)

1. I did not know they re-released Mario 64 for the DS... unless you're talking about the version with Yoshi and Wario... and Luigi? (The more you know, I guess...)
2. The fact that you've listed all of the other 3D platformers I have played (and still own) worries me a little... (Oh well... I had to lower my expectations somehow before trying out Mario 64, anyway...)
3. Now, I wish I had a copy of Sunshine... just to get those last two shines... (So close...)

 

[Hero of Lime]

I think it's a great game personally. I still prefer the Galaxy games and Mario 64, but Sunshine stands tall in my list of Mario favorites. I can see why people would dislike it on the surface, yet I would can't agree with the common complaints.
In fact, one way to help get Mario relevant again would be to put him in a strange setting like Sunshine, and make the game based around a new mechanic like FLUUD.

Let's put it this way, it actually made a game full of water based levels fun to play. Considering how water levels are usually the bane of my existence, that's an amazing feat.

 

[EyeReaper]

well, my main gripe was, even by Mario's normal line of story, the plot in sunshine was really stupid, in fact, I might even call it the worst plot in all of gaming. Besides that, the game is great though.

Hey, Reaper, I know this may sound like I'm being contentious so please take this in the spirit its intended (friendly banter):

If you're playing Mario games for cohesive plots (or even expecting one in any Mario game) then you need to play more franchises, dude

Sorry Mario - your cohesive plot is in another castle. Gee, thanks, talking mushroom guy.

Ah....maybe we should start a thread about bafflingly bad game plots though. Should raise a few chuckles.

Oh, believe me I know. No one is going to pop in a Mario game and expect Citizen Kane(minus a few choice titles, such as the paper mario series) But still, Mario getting convicted of the unpardonable crime of littering on an island the moment he first steps off the plane is quite silly.

 

[Roxas1359]

Personally Super Mario Sunshine is my favorite 3D Mario game. I love the tropical setting, the exploration I can do, and have fun just generally playing it.
I will admit, it is the weakest out of the 3D Mario games, but it's still a great game. In fact I'm playing through it again right now.

*This post brought to you by someone who didn't grow up with Nintendo consoles and had Super Mario Sunshine be his first 3D Mario game he owned. XD

 

[Maximum Bert]

It was fine just nothing amazing I played and finished it but it was pretty forgettable and definitely not on the same level as some other Mario games. That said I much preferred it to Mario 64 I just dont get that game I loved Mario when it came out and got it straight away and absolutely hated it even now I cant play it I just cant see anything good with that game. Mario Bros 3 is still my favourite with Galaxy right behind.

Sunshine was a good game but I think people were expecting a great one.

 

[dl_wraith]

1. I did not know they re-released Mario 64 for the DS... unless you're talking about the version with Yoshi and Wario... and Luigi? (The more you know, I guess...)
2. The fact that you've listed all of the other 3D platformers I have played (and still own) worries me a little... (Oh well... I had to lower my expectations somehow before trying out Mario 64, anyway...)
3. Now, I wish I had a copy of Sunshine... just to get those last two shines... (So close...)

1) Yeah, the DS version was enhanced and had other character arcs to play (see details here: http://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_64_DS)
2) I have a looooong history of gaming. Doesn't surprise me that I've listed stuff you will have played. I was quite voracious with my gaming that gen.
3) 2 shines missing? Same here - SPOOOOOOKY!!! You haven't stolen my memory card have you?

BTW - found my Mario 64 DS cart at long last. Sadly, damned thing doesn't boot anymore. Not sure why. I'll PM you if I get it running to get a shipping address. Don't hold your breath though - 'aint lookin' good.

 

[FPLOON]

1) Yeah, the DS version was enhanced and had other character arcs to play (see details here: http://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_64_DS)
2) I have a looooong history of gaming. Doesn't surprise me that I've listed stuff you will have played. I was quite voracious with my gaming that gen.
3) 2 shines missing? Same here - SPOOOOOOKY!!! You haven't stolen my memory card have you?

1. That's "a lot" of differences...
2. Still have all my GameCube and PS2 games... even if they just so happened to have an HD re-release... that I also own...
3. If said memory card also holds 10 completed saves of Tales of Symphonia, a couple of Nick-based saves (like Nicktoons Unite! and Battle for Bikini Bottom), Melee, Star Fox Assault (not Adventures), Metroid Prime 1 (not 2), DDR Mario Mix, Thousand Year Door, Pokemon Colosseum, Sonic Riders, AND Simpsons Hit and Run... (just to name a "few" off the top of my head...) We might just be <link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhMvKv4GX5U>the same person...


Also...

BTW - found my Mario 64 DS cart at long last. Sadly, damned thing doesn't boot anymore. Not sure why. I'll PM you if I get it running to get a shipping address. Don't hold your breath though - 'aint lookin' good.

Thanks for doing something like this... I mean, you really didn't have to... Nonetheless, don't stress it too much... I'm sure if I explain my situation with the angry mob, they'll understand... (Then, tell me to play Mario Galaxy or something like that...)

 

[Artina89]

I must admit that it has always confused me when people spit vitriol about Super Mario sunshine but it was one of the most played games on my Gamecube, along with Paper Mario: The thousand year door, Luigi's mansion and Resident Evil 2, and stands as one of my favourite Mario games ever, alongside the aforementioned Paper Mario: The thousand year door, because they tried to do something different with the franchise.