Super Smash Bros Brawl: A counterpoint

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m_jim

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Why are people talking about Yahtzee's review here? If you want to talk about that, you should go to the Yahtzee forum. RentCavalier wrote a fine review, why don't we talk about that.
 

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While I would really like to see more (or at least SOMETHING) original come out of nintendo, I thought this game was pretty good. It's certainly the best fighting game I've seen or played. I usually avoid them like the plague, but Brawl is just different to me. There are no random 16-buttons-in-two-seconds combos that make your character blow up onscreen, and that's what made me hate other fighting games. There are 8 attacks per character, and that's about it. Its simplicity is what really gets me. My dad could (eventually) get good at Brawl. Not "that guy" good, but he could probably do fine, just b/c the controls are so simple. At the same time, people can get really good. For me, that's what sets it apart.

P.S: Loved the review!
 

Credge

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Giygas said:
Online is just terrible, it's just one stressful waiting game when it could be much easier (hopefully in Mario Kart this week)
I don't understand the problem. I play Brawl online a bit (about four hours a week) and don't lag ever. This includes both random matches and matches with friends. The only time I've lagged was when my internet was going on the fritz for a week. Most certainly, though, that's not Nintendo's fault.
 

Giygas

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Credge said:
Giygas said:
Online is just terrible, it's just one stressful waiting game when it could be much easier (hopefully in Mario Kart this week)
I don't understand the problem. I play Brawl online a bit (about four hours a week) and don't lag ever. This includes both random matches and matches with friends. The only time I've lagged was when my internet was going on the fritz for a week. Most certainly, though, that's not Nintendo's fault.
Braw With Anyone never once worked for me. I waited up to 5 minutes before it d/c'ed me about ten times now

The Friend-Codes? Unless you're super-natural, in close contact/iming or have no life, it's just one big waiting game. I just want to get into a quick match with someone, but that has yet to happen
 

RentCavalier

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Giygas said:
Credge said:
Giygas said:
Online is just terrible, it's just one stressful waiting game when it could be much easier (hopefully in Mario Kart this week)
I don't understand the problem. I play Brawl online a bit (about four hours a week) and don't lag ever. This includes both random matches and matches with friends. The only time I've lagged was when my internet was going on the fritz for a week. Most certainly, though, that's not Nintendo's fault.
Braw With Anyone never once worked for me. I waited up to 5 minutes before it d/c'ed me about ten times now

The Friend-Codes? Unless you're super-natural, in close contact/iming or have no life, it's just one big waiting game. I just want to get into a quick match with someone, but that has yet to happen
Friday/Saturday Nights have worked pretty well for me with Online. I don't usually do it much, as I can usually get a match or two in with my room mates, but if you're trying to do the online part, try the weekends. It does lag at times though.
 

DaMunky89

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Okay, not to be short here, but if you think for a moment Smash is, has been, or ever was in any incarnation a button masher, you need to go stick your head in a blender.

If somebody is mashing random buttons, they're predictable, and they're going to lose. This has been said already, but nobody else seemed to emphasize just how ineffective button mashing really is.

If you're "button mashing", chances are you're taking the palm of your hand and smashing the right side of your controller. This will generally press the large 'A' button more than anything else. (Given you're using a Gamecube controller, shame on you if you aren't.) Your character's reaction will therefore be stand-in-place-and-punch. That is all button mashers do. In a slightly more sophisticated incarnation, they may also run-and-spam-dash-attack. Anything a button masher does can be countered by jumping and kicking in the face. I've never seen it fail. Jump, press A, kick in the face. It's that easy.

The moral of this story is that you shouldn't button mash, because if anybody nearby knows what they're doing, you're going to get kicked in the face. I don't think I need to say more than that.
 
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Giygas said:
Credge said:
Giygas said:
Online is just terrible, it's just one stressful waiting game when it could be much easier (hopefully in Mario Kart this week)
I don't understand the problem. I play Brawl online a bit (about four hours a week) and don't lag ever. This includes both random matches and matches with friends. The only time I've lagged was when my internet was going on the fritz for a week. Most certainly, though, that's not Nintendo's fault.
Braw With Anyone never once worked for me. I waited up to 5 minutes before it d/c'ed me about ten times now

The Friend-Codes? Unless you're super-natural, in close contact/iming or have no life, it's just one big waiting game. I just want to get into a quick match with someone, but that has yet to happen
I have a very good connection, and so I have never had any trouble (actually once, but that's it). It is easy to get matches with anyone with very little wait. However, it is not easy to keep them, since they always drop out after the first battle, since I am That Guy. Seriously, I won a 2 minute online fight with 9 kills. They all left immediately. I was very happy. Also, that shows what happens to button-mashers. They die frequently.
 

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RentCavalier said:
I may be a little bias, but that's only because I really like the game. XP most reviews are inherently bias, especially Yahtzee's latest.
Its because IMHO, ZP is an opinion not a review. A review is something that takes both sides of the argument for a product then gives a balanced summing up. That is something ZP rarely does.

Good reviews don't have bias - remember that.
 

Capt.12guage

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I will freely admit my own bias for brawl, if it had only been a graphics update of melee i would have still given it my vote for game of the year. However, brawl has recieved several huge improvements. The Subspace emissary mode is amazing. The music is great, especially the main theme song. The new Characters are all fun and interesting. The final smashes are entertaining and impressive, without being an instant win button. To those that say that nintendo is reliant on their established characters to sell games: So. I like mario and crew. I would like to see more of their IPs make it into the mario X games. Kirby characters would not be out of place in Mario Kart or Mario party, nor would olimar of pikmin. Nintendo has the same characters in all of it's casual fun games so that non/casual gamers have something to grab onto, while at the same time identifing the game as fun/casual centric, as opposed to the more serious involved games targeted at the Hard Core. It's not stagnation, it's continuity. If I bought say 2-3 video games a year or less and i wanted to get a solid party game with a fair amount of polish I know that Mario Kart will give me a fun experience with out demanding that i play for months to get good. I know that Mario Party will deliver mini-game fun with style and aplomb. I know that Mario sports titles will be a fun and interesting take on a sport, without having the overhead of a serious sports title. Nintendo is playing to casual gamers in a way that Sony and Microsoft is not. Mario is not a crutch, Mario is Nintendo's label for a more light hearted kind of fun.
 

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Ultrajoe said:
nintendos partially-successful strategy of 'just remake it', its progressed past Flogging the horse, and into downright necromancy.
Because games like

Age of Empires
Black and White
Doom
All the Tycoon games
Every game with "Sim" in it
the 10 billion final fantasy games
the elder scrolls
Call of Duty
Unreal Tournament
Quake
Diablo
Warcraft
Might and Magic
Soul Calibur
Tekken
Need for Speed
Ridge Racer
Mega Man
Street Fighter
Mortal Kombat
Raiden
Command and Conquer

don't do that either.