Supreme Court of Canada rules to let injection clinics stay open

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KeyMaster45

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I ran some searches to see if a topic had been made about it yet and came up empty. My apologies in advance if I've made an oversight.

First and foremost, the news on which this discussion surrounds. Canada court lets injection facility remain open [http://news.yahoo.com/canada-court-lets-injection-facility-remain-open-140714751.html] For those who don't wish to follow the link, I've placed the article in the spoiler below

VANCOUVER, British Columbia (AP) ? North America's only legal drug injection facility saves lives and should stay open, Canada's Supreme Court ruled Friday.

The court's decision could facilitate the eventual opening of other facilities in different cities, but the court's ruling applied only to the site in Vancouver.

The facility called Insite was promoted by its founders as a safe, humane space for drug abusers. Canada's Conservative government said it aids drug abuse, but the court ruled the government should stop interfering in the controversial clinic.

The top court issued its 9-0 decision in a landmark case that received international attention.

As of 2009, there were 65 injection facilities in 27 cities in Canada, Australia and western Europe, according to the Canadian Medical Association Journal. The World Health Organization has called them a "priority intervention" in slowing the spread of AIDS via infected needles.

When Insite opened, the Bush administration's drug czar, John Walters, called the operation "state-sponsored suicide."

Addicts are given clean needles and sterilized water in which to mix their drug. They bring their own drugs and inject at 12 stainless steel alcoves with mirrors on the walls so nurses on a raised platform can see them.

Defenders of Insite ? a taxpayer-funded operation in a seedy, drug-infested district of Vancouver, British Columbia ? said the facility is providing a form of health care that is a provincial matter under Canada's constitution. The Canadian government countered that because heroin is a federally banned substance the national law should trump provincial rights.

The ruling said the government's previous decision to end the drug-law exemption threatened injection drug users' health and their lives.

"During its eight years of operation, Insite has been proven to save lives with no discernible negative impact on the public safety and health objectives of Canada," the court said. "The effect of denying the services of Insite to the population it serves and the correlative increase in the risk of death and disease to injection drug users is grossly disproportionate to any benefit that Canada might derive from presenting a uniform stance on the possession of narcotics."

Insite lawyer Joe Arvay said it means the facility can remain under a permanent exemption from Canada's criminal drug laws. He said they lost on the jurisdictional issue but won on the right to continue with the exemption.

Other Canadians cities in the provinces of Ontario and Quebec have been looking at establishing similar sites.

"The battle for other sites across Canada remains to be fought," he said, adding the ruling will give those cities hope. "Insite is going to remain open no matter what."

Conservative Health Minister Leona Aglukak said in Parliament the government was disappointed with the ruling they but would comply. She said the system should be focused on prevention and treatment as the best ways to combat drug addiction.

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper underscored that sentiment.

"We're disappointed. We have a different policy. We'll take a look at the decision but we'll clearly act within the constraints of the decision," he said.

Arvay said there is no other avenue of appeal for the Canadian government.

The decision was greeted with a massive cheer from hundreds gathered outside Insite before dawn Friday.

The storefront facility sits in the Downtown Eastside, 15 blocks of cheap rooming houses where addiction and street prostitution are rampant and an estimated 5,000 of the area's 12,000 residents are believed to be addicted to drugs.

Julio Montaner, president of the International AIDS Society, said the area's infection rate is the worst in the developed world. He said the decision "represents a victory for science over ideology."

The Vancouver Coastal Health Authority Chief Medical Health Officer Patricia Daly said it means they can prevent life-threatening diseases in a vulnerable population.

Insite averages more than 800 visitors a day and has supervised more than a million injections since it opened in 2003. Insite has not reported any deaths at the facility.

Dr. Robert Kerr of the University of British Columbia's Faculty of Medicine said there have been about 1,500 overdoses at Insite.

"Nobody has died at this facility," he said. "This is without a doubt a facility that saves lives."

Laura Thomas, California deputy director of the Drug Policy Alliance, said no one has tried to open a legal safe injection facility in the U.S. but that the Canadian ruling will help U.S. cities, such as New York and San Francisco, where there are advocates. She said the science and evidence developed by Canadian researchers will help U.S. advocates.

"It's such a victory for compassion and commonsense," she said.

The TL;DR for those who don't read it is that the Canadian Supreme Court ruled today that a group of injection clinics may remain open. At the clinics addicts are able to use their drugs in a safe, sterile environment. This means they're given a clean needle and sterilized water to mix said drugs. The users, however, must bring their own and are monitored by nurses on staff in case something goes wrong. There have been 1500 overdoses occur at these facilities and to date no one has died.

The argument is that such facilities are saving lives by preventing the spread of diseases, such as AIDS, that can be transmitted by used needles and making sure there is someone on hand to intervene should an addict overdose.

My distillation of the article is by no means the best, and I'd encourage you to still read it before commenting. This is the internet however and there's not much I can do to stop you from posting without reading.

In my opinion, such a facility is a good thing. It's stopping the spread of diseases and they've already saved the lives of 1500 people who otherwise may not have survived to, hopefully, reconsider their actions. I think that it's a more even handed approach to dealing with drug abuse than outright prohibition. The person brings the drug, they're given what they need to take it, and left to make the decision for themselves. To me it seems a far better solution than callously letting them kill themselves in private, based on some misguided idea that "they deserve it".(as a few of my friends have put it) It's the equivalent of a parent saying to their child, "Okay, you want to eat a 15 pound bag of Halloween candy? Go right ahead, I'll be in the kitchen if something goes wrong."
 

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Good. If its going to be an inevitability anyway, might as well let them do it in a safe environment. Society as a whole doesn't need a portion of the population sharing diseases and breeding super viruses in our own backyard o.o
 

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As much as I hate that this sort of facility has to exist, the fact that it does appear to be preventing deaths and spread of infection is definitely a good thing, and I'm glad it'll be staying open, if for no other reason than prevention will probably cost the province less than treatment.

Edit: Run on sentences, thy name is Saladfork.
 

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To quote you:
"To me it seems a far better solution than callously letting them kill themselves in private, based on some misguided idea that "they deserve it"."

I have to disagree with that, let people die. Why? 7.1+ billion people on a planet that is struggling to replenish itself on a planet that holds only 3.9 billion so that it can replenish itself properly. Too many people, death will help the economy, medicine and food world wide.
 

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KaiserKnight said:
To quote you:
"To me it seems a far better solution than callously letting them kill themselves in private, based on some misguided idea that "they deserve it"."

I have to disagree with that, let people die. Why? 7.1+ billion people on a planet that is struggling to replenish itself on a planet that holds only 3.9 billion so that it can replenish itself properly. Too many people, death will help the economy, medicine and food world wide.
Overpopulation is pretty much the opposite of our problems in Canada.
 

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If nothing else, I suppose the facility helps to keep those people centred around that area. I've been to Vancouver, and in that part of town (once, sure as hell not twice), and judging by what I've seen of the people there, hard to give a shit if they go kill themselves, I was just happy I didn't get stabbed on my one walk down that street.
 

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Saladfork said:
KaiserKnight said:
To quote you:
"To me it seems a far better solution than callously letting them kill themselves in private, based on some misguided idea that "they deserve it"."

I have to disagree with that, let people die. Why? 7.1+ billion people on a planet that is struggling to replenish itself on a planet that holds only 3.9 billion so that it can replenish itself properly. Too many people, death will help the economy, medicine and food world wide.
Overpopulation is pretty much the opposite of our problems in Canada.
So help populate one country causing problems, starvation, suffering, theft, crimes and more problems world wide?
 

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KaiserKnight said:
To quote you:
"To me it seems a far better solution than callously letting them kill themselves in private, based on some misguided idea that "they deserve it"."

I have to disagree with that, let people die. Why? 7.1+ billion people on a planet that is struggling to replenish itself on a planet that holds only 3.9 billion so that it can replenish itself properly. Too many people, death will help the economy, medicine and food world wide.
Why indeed. In an ideal world we'd be able to protect everyone so that they live to a ripe old age. Though, since we don't live in an ideal world people still do their best to help those they can. It's human compassion. Yes, in analytical and logical terms it would be best to allow as many people as possible to off themselves with their poor decisions so that overall population might decrease. If history is any indication though, humans are anything but logical.

Of course you also have to look at the broader effects ignoring these people would cause. Mainly the spread of disease, which it's naive to think the diseases would stay isolated to only their population.

By the way, you can use the quote button to quote posts and trim them down to the parts you're addressing.
 

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I suppose its better than just letting them run around and infecting other people with diseases. What I don't care at all for is the lives of the addicts themselves - they commit little suicides on a regular basis by inserting poison into their bodies. People who overdose didn't just make an innocent mistake, they used or rather misused drugs heavily. Such people with such a disregard for their own life don't deserve the waste of resources to save them.
And I guess the equivalent of such clinics is "Stop! What are you doing? Eating a 15 pound bag of Halloween candy? With your hands? Here have a spoon."
 

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Why did I read the title as "let lethal injection clinics stay open"? =/

OT: Yeah this sounds like a good idea. It was driving drugs underground that created unsafe practices in the first place. Keep it in the open, keep em alive at least.
I did the same thing, cept instead of Lethal I read Penal FREUD FREUD

I'm awful I know
 

KaiserKnight

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KeyMaster45 said:
KaiserKnight said:
To quote you:
"To me it seems a far better solution than callously letting them kill themselves in private, based on some misguided idea that "they deserve it"."

I have to disagree with that, let people die. Why? 7.1+ billion people on a planet that is struggling to replenish itself on a planet that holds only 3.9 billion so that it can replenish itself properly. Too many people, death will help the economy, medicine and food world wide.
Why indeed. In an ideal world we'd be able to protect everyone so that they live to a ripe old age. Though, since we don't live in an ideal world people still do their best to help those they can. It's human compassion. Yes, in analytical and logical terms it would be best to allow as many people as possible to off themselves with their poor decisions so that overall population might decrease. If history is any indication though, humans are anything but logical.

Of course you also have to look at the broader effects ignoring these people would cause. Mainly the spread of disease, which it's naive to think the diseases would stay isolated to only their population.

By the way, you can use the quote button to quote posts and trim them down to the parts you're addressing.
I know, I see people do the -snip- thing every now and then. Also, I never said it would remain isolated. I said we are over populated, let it spread. 3/4 of the population being killed off would help many things after a few decades. We have mentally ill people whom are scared and confused most of the time, yet we let them live in fear since we want to help yet most of the time we can't, we let them live out of being selfish.

Older people living till 101...yet many wish for death since they are alone or don't see a need to be here anymore. Loved ones suffering with illness or pain yet we keep them a live to find cures that may never so up or cause other family members can't be without them ignoring what they are going through. I still say we need to let many die sadly for us to move further without issues.
 

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KaiserKnight said:
To quote you:
"To me it seems a far better solution than callously letting them kill themselves in private, based on some misguided idea that "they deserve it"."

I have to disagree with that, let people die. Why? 7.1+ billion people on a planet that is struggling to replenish itself on a planet that holds only 3.9 billion so that it can replenish itself properly. Too many people, death will help the economy, medicine and food world wide.
Where are you getting a figure like 3.9 billion people as a proper threshold for the amount of people that the Earth is able to hold? Who's to say that we don't have the resources to comfortably hold 7 billion people or more, provided we were able to manage them effectively? If 3.9 billion is considered the "magic number" by the scientific community at large, then that's different.
 

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I dont think these kinda places should exist. youre wasting governement funding on what you could use isntead on Detox clinics. Also, if canada has any from of a war on drugs or at least something saying hey, you shouldnt do cocaine, its really bad for you, this is just cmopletely counterproductive.

But then again, thats from a US view.
 

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KaiserKnight said:
Saladfork said:
KaiserKnight said:
To quote you:
"To me it seems a far better solution than callously letting them kill themselves in private, based on some misguided idea that "they deserve it"."

I have to disagree with that, let people die. Why? 7.1+ billion people on a planet that is struggling to replenish itself on a planet that holds only 3.9 billion so that it can replenish itself properly. Too many people, death will help the economy, medicine and food world wide.
Overpopulation is pretty much the opposite of our problems in Canada.
So help populate one country causing problems, starvation, suffering, theft, crimes and more problems world wide?
Dude, lay off the damn overpopulation issue. Canada's birth rates are declining, and the only reason we can substain our population is due to the large influx of immigrants. To say that we should let people die just because we have too many of them alreay is ridiculous. Besides, the 1500 people (people, mind you. Not just statistics as you no doubt consider them) who would've died of overdoses if not for the clinic are an incredibly small portion of that 7.1 billion.
You're not edgy, you're not cool, you're just ignorant.
 

KaiserKnight

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Not to mention all the ignorant, racist, rapist, pedophiles, murders, ect ect people that we let live and waste money/space/air/food on. Kill 5 people, rape a child or two yet get locked up for 5 life (what, are you going to die then we bring you back four more times?) to be fed three times a day and you not have to pay anything?
 

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Yes lets keep the drugs users alive so they can increase demand in mexico and continue the bloody drug war that has already cost more lives then the Iraq war. Every time you buy drugs you are part of all the murders in mexico.
 

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face_head_mouth said:
KaiserKnight said:
To quote you:
"To me it seems a far better solution than callously letting them kill themselves in private, based on some misguided idea that "they deserve it"."

I have to disagree with that, let people die. Why? 7.1+ billion people on a planet that is struggling to replenish itself on a planet that holds only 3.9 billion so that it can replenish itself properly. Too many people, death will help the economy, medicine and food world wide.
Where are you getting a figure like 3.9 billion people as a proper threshold for the amount of people that the Earth is able to hold? Who's to say that we don't have the resources to comfortably hold 7 billion people or more, provided we were able to manage them effectively? If 3.9 billion is considered the "magic number" by the scientific community at large, then that's different.
Its a rough estimate that yes scientist came up with when we reach the thought of number of 7 billion.
 

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KaiserKnight said:
face_head_mouth said:
KaiserKnight said:
To quote you:
"To me it seems a far better solution than callously letting them kill themselves in private, based on some misguided idea that "they deserve it"."

I have to disagree with that, let people die. Why? 7.1+ billion people on a planet that is struggling to replenish itself on a planet that holds only 3.9 billion so that it can replenish itself properly. Too many people, death will help the economy, medicine and food world wide.
Where are you getting a figure like 3.9 billion people as a proper threshold for the amount of people that the Earth is able to hold? Who's to say that we don't have the resources to comfortably hold 7 billion people or more, provided we were able to manage them effectively? If 3.9 billion is considered the "magic number" by the scientific community at large, then that's different.
Its a rough estimate that yes scientist came up with when we reach the thought of number of 7 billion.
Post a specific reference to an article, then. If you're going to argue using scientific data, you have to post the source of that data (or at least who said it, in a quote).
 

KaiserKnight

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Gasaraki said:
KaiserKnight said:
Saladfork said:
KaiserKnight said:
To quote you:
"To me it seems a far better solution than callously letting them kill themselves in private, based on some misguided idea that "they deserve it"."

I have to disagree with that, let people die. Why? 7.1+ billion people on a planet that is struggling to replenish itself on a planet that holds only 3.9 billion so that it can replenish itself properly. Too many people, death will help the economy, medicine and food world wide.
Overpopulation is pretty much the opposite of our problems in Canada.
So help populate one country causing problems, starvation, suffering, theft, crimes and more problems world wide?
Dude, lay off the damn overpopulation issue. Canada's birth rates are declining, and the only reason we can substain our population is due to the large influx of immigrants. To say that we should let people die just because we have too many of them alreay is ridiculous. Besides, the 1500 people (people, mind you. Not just statistics as you no doubt consider them) who would've died of overdoses if not for the clinic are an incredibly small portion of that 7.1 billion.
You're not edgy, you're not cool, you're just ignorant.
I am not drinking PBR and hearing outdated music that no one really cares about. You are a bit idiotic thinking I am trying to be those things.

Also you are being closed minded thinking of only your country. Look at the rest of the world and see what needs to change quickly, also you saying starting at a small point is meaningless. So we shouldn't start cleaning up roads or making land to grow crops or make jobs since it will only help on a small scale?