Supreme Court of Canada rules to let injection clinics stay open

[Shpongled]

That's the point, people doing stuff that isn't safe purely for recreation, I'm glad you grasp that. You learning some martial art has no benefit for me, no ones ever won a Nobel peace prize for their parkour skills, nothing beneficial to humanity comes out of some dude performing a super sick curb grind, you extreme sports guys are about as useful to me as that crack addict down the street, but I'm still going to end up paying for the treatment of people who injure themselves doing sports through my taxes, but guess what? I don't mind, because that's what the emergency/health services are there for, helping people out who get themselves into accidents, whether it's through drug use or doing dangerous sports or whatever else people get themselves hurt doing.

Yes ok I made a typo and when I die I'll make my grand apologies to the grammar God's up there, but since my point still came across I don't see the issue. I'm criticizing your word use because jumping to conclusions about people and calling them worthless is immature behaviour, not because you made a typo.

Jumping to conclusions? You have the opinion that all us "extreme sports guys are as useful to you as drug addicts".

I am greatly concerned about preventing the natural process of a worthless skateboarder dying off from falling off his board and breaking his jaw open. Leave him bleeding in the street i say, it ensures they won't be around any longer and keeps the numbers in check.

I haven't been jumping to conclusions, I've going off the fact that you wanted to let kids who ARE NOT doing drugs die bleeding in the streets every time they injure themselves.

Tell me do you know why they have these special clinics for drug users and NOT skateboarders? Because skateboarders do not tend to fall and kill themselves all the often. DO you know why they have them for drug users? Because people who shoot DO IN FACT tend to kill themselves. Thus why I think you saying that skateboarders should be left to die in the street was a bit much and why I was particularly pissed off at your QQing over a kid hurting himself.

I called you worthless not because I was assuming anything, you outright said you would let a skateboarder die bleeding in the street.

Sure martial artists might have never win a Nobel Prize, but they have inspired people to do something else. Learn a physical activity that teaches them confidence, strength and health. I used to be a hair away from becoming diabetic, Martial Arts helped me become healthy enough I no longer have to worry about the possibility of stabbing myself with a needle to get insulin. Is that not worthwhile? That and other extreme sports have inspired people to do something healthy, Drug Users never contributed in that respect. It is in this manner I think they should just die if all they will do is dose up time after time. You throw people on the bottom shelf simply because they don't personally benefit you.

Lastly, people doing stuff that isn't safe for recreation has been going on for a VERY long time in every part of the world. Remember this little thing called the Colosseum of Rome? People fought to the death; fighting each other even lions and tigers. Sure it's stupid, but people have been doing stupid stuff since always. So what does it matter if a few kids hurt themselves in the pursuit of fun?

Try reading posts before you respond to them, especially if you're going to start throwing around inflammatory words. Go back and read the sentence immediately following that first paragraph.

I really don't see why the fact that extreme sports enthusiasts have no more use to me than a crack addict should concern you. I have no interest in extreme sports. I'm sorry if that bothers you, I just can't bring myself to find interest in it. Why you have an issue with that i don't know.

Skateboarders do have these "special clinics", they're called hospitals, or more specifically A&E units. A&E units can't provide the same level of support to drug users as much of the danger isn't immediate or physical, so these special clinics for drug users exist.

You throw people on the bottom shelf simply because they don't personally benefit you.

Are you not seeing the irony here? Are you not doing the exact same thing with drug users? Drug use has had benefits (music, literature, medication for a start) but that's an entirely different discussion, suffice to say its swings and roundabouts, you aren't interested in drugs, I ain't interested in sports.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm attacking those who participate in extreme sports - I'm not, what people get up too in their spare time is entirely up to them, whether its drugs or climbing 500 foot cliff faces in their boxer shorts. My point is neither person should be denied aid when they need it based on my (or anyone elses) personal judgement in what they should or shouldn't be doing with their time.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Not sure.

I am for hardcore drugs remaining illegal, and the fact that there's place out there that are accepting it is very confusing too me.

It's a government practically openly funding it's citizens drug use. I'd be pretty pissed if I was Canadian and my tax dollars were going towards that.

 

[Vivi22]

Yes lets keep the drugs users alive so they can increase demand in mexico and continue the bloody drug war that has already cost more lives then the Iraq war. Every time you buy drugs you are part of all the murders in mexico.

Sorry, but you can thank the US government and it's war on drugs for the crap that goes on on in Mexico and all of the other countries where drug production is king. The amazing thing is that so few people see it, but what did they think was going to happen with drug prohibition? It's not like we didn't already try a perfectly comparable analogue in alcohol prohibition. When you make substances which people want to use and abuse illegal, they will still be able to get it. And if there's enough demand (as there was with alcohol and is with drugs), you force people to deal with criminals because they're the only ones willing to supply it.

The government put all of this power in the hands of criminals, and trying to crack down harder will not do a damn thing. You want to stop much of the crime that goes on around the world so people can produce and smuggle drugs, then start de-criminalizing and take the power out of the hands of criminals and the black market. Anyone who argues in favour of continued drug prohibition is a part of the reason people still die over drugs around the world.

 

[Ragsnstitches]

Allowing a crime to go on, aided by the government, is stupid. The SC got this one wrong.

What's next, let pedos have sex with "willing" kids in safe houses with free condoms to minimize the harm?

Something is either illegal, or its legal. If you make it illegal, but the government supports it, that's just stupid.

The emerging philosophy of drug policy in this country is that, by and large, addicts are victims of crime as much as they are criminals themselves.

Barring the possibility of full drug legalization (something which hinges a great deal more on american drug policy than our own, frankly), the policy of prosicuteing the dealer while rehabilitating the addict has substantial benefits, both from a law enforcement and a public health perspective.

This was the right choice by the supreme court, absolutely.

-m

While I completely agree with full public health coverage of addition recovery programs, this doesn't rehabilitate anyone. It supports their continued habit, even makes it easier and removes some of the disinsentives for using the drugs. Anyone who has broken a serious habit can tell you that one of the first things you generally have to do is get rid of enablers in your life, and now the government and medical system IS your enabler.

The decision is well intentioned, but wrong.

Right and wrong is subjective. I for one, think your wrong. I would believe based on the results of the case, that the Supreme Courts of Canada think your wrong.

Everyone deserves a chance. These people are self harmers, victims of a potential multitude of problems. No more different then people who commit suicide for inexplicable reasons.

Do you think that a person who is so far gone into the pits of depression that he can't see any way out other then offing himself, should just be left to off himself, alone and without an effort to extend a helping hand? I certainly hope you don't, or any form of moral argument with you will be a struggle for me as I can't calmly abide such an outlook.

But we don't support that person taking the drugs, we lock them up for a psyc eval and keep them locked up in treatment as long as they are an immediate danger to themselves.

We aren't helping people in these injection houses, we are making it easier for them to continue their habit. This "solution" does nothing to resolve the problems that put people in that place. It doesn't get them off drugs, it doesn't help them deal with the problems that put them on drugs.

First off, Support is sometimes an act of stripping freedoms from a person who, as you say, is a risk to themselves (though normally they need to be a risk to others in order to be locked up). Just because it ain't all candy and roses, does not mean it's any less compassionate.

Secondly, you're right, it doesn't solve the problem. Neither does letting these people waste away into oblivion. The difference between these clinics and the old routine of letting them rot, is compassion and awareness. This step automatically takes away a portion of the control some drug cartels have, and that control is simple ignorance on behalf of state bodies and the general populace. At best, it's a stepping stone to proper change... at worst it's just a filtering service that fishes the savable people out from the crowds.

It's likely many people won't come out of these clinics with a change of heart, but that's not the point... it's the ones that do that completely justify this and make it the right course of action.