Switch Online Service.

[Mothro]

1. 3DS was not a paid online subscription like Nintendo Switch's is

Not sure what that has to do with anything. Nintendo quickly gave up on SNES games on the New 3DS and that's a fact. They did the same thing with Wii games on the Wii U. Miiverse, Miitomo and Wii Shop come to mind. Nintendo isn't a star about supporting their own products. BTW, I have noticed that Wal Mart has no Amiibos on the shelf, has Nintendo discontinued those too?

2. Nintendo did expand the library vastly of both the Wii and Wii U consoles and the virtual consoles did become much better over time

Actually, the VC has gotten worse over time. The Wii had the best VC, the Wii U was not as good as the Wii and the 3DS VC was not as good as the Wii or the Wii U.

3. Sony also had absolute shit online when they first started with PSN. guess what? they started charging for it and over time Sony made the service better and better. Why? obviously because they want people to keep paying for the service.

Why would Nintendo not want to do the same thing with their online? Hell Nintendo's already making a good start by offering those Family subscriptions so you can play online with up to 8 linked accounts. i don't see Sony or MS offering something like that yet.

I couldn't say if PSN got better, I don't play online but I am sure there are just as many people (if not more) that say that PSN didn't improve and that this is just a money grab for Sony.

4. Why shouldn't i compare Nintendo's Online service to PSN and Xbox Live? Nintendo is a direct competitor and like you said, the games Nintendo is offering at the moment might not be modern, but PSN and Xbox live are also nearly triple the price of what Nintendo is charging.

i didn't call Nintendo's service amazing. i said it was FAIR. that does not imply anything to suggest that Nintendo has the best service. at the moment Nintendo is offering the bare minimum yes but the price they're charging is fair currently imo.

I told you why you shouldn't compare Nintendo's service to Live Gold and PS+, it's because it only makes Nintendo look worse but if that's what you want, go right ahead. 30 year old 8 bit games, smartphone voice chat and Nintendo is the only company forcing backup saves behind a paywall. Microsoft has free local and cloud saves and Sony has free local saves, Nintendo has cloud saves behind a paywall and nothing else.

You have no proof that their online service (or the basic OS functions) will improve.

 

[Tanis]

If I can play games like Contra or Battletoads or TMNT: Turtles In Time online with my old, in another part of the country, friends...I'd be tempted to get a Switch.

We're all adults, with jobs n' shit, but I know we'd make time to play older games like those.
Hell, we used to play other games online a lot as well.

 

[Yoshi178]

You have no proof that their online service (or the basic OS functions) will improve.

LOL are you for real?

ok i'm not a Nintendo employee and don't have proof that the new paid online service will improve over the course of time. Guess what though? you don't have any proof that it will get worse over time either.

You're just being enitirely pessimistic and looking at the glass half empty. sorry for being a glass half full kinda guy and staying optimistic about things.

 

[Mothro]

You have no proof that their online service (or the basic OS functions) will improve.

LOL are you for real?

ok i'm not a Nintendo employee and don't have proof that the new paid online service will improve over the course of time. Guess what though? you don't have any proof that it will get worse over time either.

You're just being enitirely pessimistic and looking at the glass half empty. sorry for being a glass half full kinda guy and staying optimistic about things.

Well as long as you admit that you are ONLY being optimistic and you don't know for certain that their online service will improve over time. We do have proof that they aren't improving the voice chat.

The question is, why are you giving Nintendo the benefit of the doubt?

 

[Yoshi178]

Well as long as you admit that you are ONLY being optimistic and you don't know for certain that their online service will[

i literally never said anything to suggest that this a definite fact.

The question is, why are you giving Nintendo the benefit of the doubt?

it's not even a matter of giving them the benefit of the doubt.

it's more of a, Nintendo always warned us that we will have to pay for online on Switch.

either i suck it up and pay the $20 per year if i want to keep playing Splatoon, Smash bros, Mario kart, etc online and try to stay optimistic and positive about what Nintendo will both offer at the start of the service and also in the future.
or i don't pay for it and i'm not able to play any of my switch games online or enjoy any of the benefits of the service. it's as simple as that.


Why are you so determined to find fault in every little thing about the service?

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

After spending a metric fuckton more on the PS+ for my Pro, $20 for 12 months and offering classic games to play on the go seems reasonable.

If they can deliver discounts for online sales, that would be welcome as well.

 

[Yoshi178]

After spending a metric fuckton more on the PS+ for my Pro, $20 for 12 months and offering classic games to play on the go seems reasonable.

if you buy one of the family passes Nintendo will be offering that gives the player online access for 12 months to 8 different accounts for just $35.

$35 divided by 8 is more like $4.38 for 12 months per account which is even cheaper than just buying for one account on its own.

If they can deliver discounts for online sales, that would be welcome as well.

Indie games on the eshop go on sale quite alot as it is and Nintendo recently did do an eshop sale which included Nintendo's own 1st party games in the sale.

the Nintendo Switch online website says exclusive offers will be given to members and that further details will be announced soon.

that suggests to me that people who do pay for online will get extra discounts offered to them as well.


and of top all that, the My Nintendo program already gives players gold coin points for every single game they purchase which can be used for discounts already. i got Yooka Laylee for less than half price because of the My Nintendo gold coins i'd saved.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

if you buy one of the family passes Nintendo will be offering that gives the player online access for 12 months to 8 different accounts for just $35.

$35 divided by 8 is more like $4.38 for 12 months per account which is even cheaper than just buying for one account on its own.

I live (most of the time) alone, so ... no need. Like the last time I was living with a SO I was in another country.

Indie games on the eshop go on sale quite alot as it is and Nintendo recently did do an eshop sale which included Nintendo's own 1st party games in the sale.

the Nintendo Switch online website says exclusive offers will be given to members and that further details will be announced soon.

that suggests to me that people who do pay for online will get extra discounts offered to them as well.


and of top all that, the My Nintendo program already gives players gold coin points for every single game they purchase which can be used for discounts already. i got Yooka Laylee for less than half price because of the My Nintendo gold coins i'd saved.

That's true ... and any sales price on top would likely come with reduction of savings elsewhere.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

And with Nintendo detailing this, CAPCOM has announced the international release of Monster Hunter XX, now Generations Ultimate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLyiEKCpJrg

 

[votemarvel]

PSN (I haven't had an Xbox Live account for years) lets you keep those games forever as well.

Sony, like Microsoft with the Xbox One, only let you use those games as long as your subscription is active. Stop paying and you can't play.

On the 360 though you can download and play no matter your membership level once they've been added to your account.

Hopefully Nintendo follow the 360 method.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

And with Nintendo detailing this, CAPCOM has announced the international release of Monster Hunter XX, now Generations Ultimate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLyiEKCpJrg

Oh fuck yes. This is the Switch release I was really waiting for. Pre-game night we'd sometimes break out the 3DS to hunt together occasionally. This alone will convince two of my friends to make the jump to the Switch as a portable gaming unit.

Say what you like, nothing beats local gaming with some good friends and some shared snacks. Transferable data is also the icing on the cake.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

Oh fuck yes. This is the Switch release I was really waiting for. Pre-game night we'd sometimes break out the 3DS to hunt together occasionally. This alone will convince two of my friends to make the jump to the Switch as a portable gaming unit.

Say what you like, nothing beats local gaming with some good friends and some shared snacks. Transferable data is also the icing on the cake.

Since you seem into Monster Hunter, two quick questions:

I've never played Monster Hunter before. Would you recommend Generations (Ultimate) as an introduction to the series?

Is Monster Hunter the kind of game you should really, really play coop, or does it work just fine as a solo experience?

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Since you seem into Monster Hunter, two quick questions:

I've never played Monster Hunter before. Would you recommend Generations (Ultimate) as an introduction to the series?

Monster Hunter is one of the games that you're best jumping into the latest iteration. It tends to add more weapons, new customization options, updates snd tweaks monster fighting anilities and qualities. Revamps and creates emtirely new map and monster interactions.

It's nowhere near as bad as dynasty warriors (1 thru 8) ...

I will say Monster Hunter is like no other game series, really. It's like Dark Souls in that you have deliberate actions and i-frames you need to take advantage of, but not really.

All the weapons handle very differently, damage to different parts of the monster's body breaks off monster parts, cuts off tails, staggers and topples them.

You also have far more tricks up your sleeve. Like barrel bombs, sonic bombs, etcs. Moreover in the harder quests, you often get interactions between larger monsters on the same map that might surprise you and your hypothetical group as you're playing.

It lends itself to 'calculated chaos' ... pre-mission planning, in-fight operations and juggling healing, evasion, knowing when to take advantage, and active disruption... like stopping a monster recharge by eating prey when it gets tired.

It's a player skill-centric RPG. Where simply knowing the monster you're facing, and knowing the maps you're traversing, is more important than your equipment (beyond the power curve that is). So action is periodically intense, tactical, and isn't like anyother game I can think of... but also punctuated by buckets of nuance and environmental interplay.

Is Monster Hunter the kind of game you should really, really play coop, or does it work just fine as a solo experience?

Solo is fine, and the games often offer 'offline story-esque' quest series but co-op is where it shines. And I love local co-op. That's just me. Playing where you can actually talk to eachother in realtime, laugh, and tease eachother for fainting is awesome.

But there is, in most games, stuff you won't likely beat only Solo.

 

[Pseudonym]

I already have an internet connection thank you very much. NES games don't sound too enticing either.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

Monster Hunter is one of the games that you're best jumping into the latest iteration. It tends to add more weapons, new customization options, updates snd tweaks monster fighting anilities and qualities. Revamps and creates emtirely new map and monster interactions.

It's nowhere near as bad as dynasty warriors (1 thru 8) ...

I will say Monster Hunter is like no other game series, really. It's like Dark Souls in that you have deliberate actions and i-frames you need to take advantage of, but not really.

All the weapons handle very differently, damage to different parts of the monster's body breaks off monster parts, cuts off tails, staggers and topples them.

You also have far more tricks up your sleeve. Like barrel bombs, sonic bombs, etcs. Moreover in the harder quests, you often get interactions between larger monsters on the same map that might surprise you and your hypothetical group as you're playing.

It lends itself to 'calculated chaos' ... pre-mission planning, in-fight operations and juggling healing, evasion, knowing when to take advantage, and active disruption... like stopping a monster recharge by eating prey when it gets tired.

It's a player skill-centric RPG. Where simply knowing the monster you're facing, and knowing the maps you're traversing, is more important than your equipment (beyond the power curve that is). So action is periodically intense, tactical, and isn't like anyother game I can think of... but also punctuated by buckets of nuance and environmental interplay.

Solo is fine, and the games often offer 'offline story-esque' quest series but co-op is where it shines. And I love local co-op. That's just me. Playing where you can actually talk to eachother in realtime, laugh, and tease eachother for fainting is awesome.

But there is, in most games, stuff you won't likely beat only Solo.

Ok, thanks for the info. I've considered picking up one of the 3DS games a few times, but always got sidetracked by some other new release that was more a sure thing in terms of me liking it.

Anyway, since there's a roughly July to October gap in the Switch release schedule where there's nothing coming out that really tickles my fancy, I might try something new and give Generation Ultimate a shot. Or maybe Monster Hunter World, should the PC version hit by then.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I already have an internet connection thank you very much. NES games don't sound too enticing either.

I don't understand why Nintendo is so cagey with 30+ years legacy titles as if they're apples from Eden or something.

 

[sXeth]

Ok, thanks for the info. I've considered picking up one of the 3DS games a few times, but always got sidetracked by some other new release that was more a sure thing in terms of me liking it.

Anyway, since there's a roughly July to October gap in the Switch release schedule where there's nothing coming out that really tickles my fancy, I might try something new and give Generation Ultimate a shot. Or maybe Monster Hunter World, should the PC version hit by then.

From what I've gathered on the Reddit. World is more accessible to newcomers and has a lot of quality of life improvements. But has less overall content since they can't reuse things quite as well as they apparently did across the 3ds games, having to recreate the monster roster.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Ok, thanks for the info. I've considered picking up one of the 3DS games a few times, but always got sidetracked by some other new release that was more a sure thing in terms of me liking it.

Anyway, since there's a roughly July to October gap in the Switch release schedule where there's nothing coming out that really tickles my fancy, I might try something new and give Generation Ultimate a shot. Or maybe Monster Hunter World, should the PC version hit by then.

MHW is okay... but ... ehhh.

I play a fair bit of MH solo and online, but if you're a gregarious creature like me (at least most of the time) you want that portability andcapacity for co-op.

Monster Hunter is like ... the perfect portable game. It can be played in bursts, and the gameplay really lends itself well to social gaming with other people in a room. Because you're all going to be laughing, cheering, ribbing eachother, and discussing what weapons you should bring to the fight.

It just hits that sweet spot.

Sure you could theoretically do thesame with a gaming laptop but do you really want to lug that thing around to just game with others? That being said, boardgaming and P&P rpgs are my first and second favourite types of gaming. Horse racing and videogaming is equal third.

So graphics aren't a big deal with me. The social factor is.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Ok, thanks for the info. I've considered picking up one of the 3DS games a few times, but always got sidetracked by some other new release that was more a sure thing in terms of me liking it.

Anyway, since there's a roughly July to October gap in the Switch release schedule where there's nothing coming out that really tickles my fancy, I might try something new and give Generation Ultimate a shot. Or maybe Monster Hunter World, should the PC version hit by then.

If I was going to make an overall comparison, World is Street Fighter IV while Generations Ultimate is Street Fighter III or Alpha. It's not as newbie friendly, but it's more complex and has a lot more depth to it. The thing about World is that it's paced and designed differently than Generations is. World has more of the sandbox approach, but Generations' maps (like the series up until then) instead has a large maps divided between a dozen interconnected maps. Furthermore, its portable design lends itself better to short play sessions. There is also no using items while moving so it is a LOT more challenging and methodical. They are also way more monsters to fight. And there's the obvious advantage of portability and the fact that you can do local multiplayer with other Switches.

Then there are the big changes. The first are the Hunter Arts, super moves that the player builds meter with. Their properties can range from powerful attacks to buffs to even healing. The biggest difference by far is the Styles system, six different play methods that allow the player to choose how they want to fight. Guild is the standard, balanced one, Striker is a simplified one that allows the players to equip up to three Hunter Arts, Aerial lets the player vault whenever they want in order to mount monsters, Adept is set up around counterattacks, Valor is this weird one set up around going into a super mode, and Alchemy which is a support type suited for multiplayer. And if that's not enough, you can even play as one of the Palicoes (the helper cats. Seriously)

So overall, World is more newb friendly while Generations Ultimate is more challenging but has more complexity to it. It's a matter of taste. I personally preferred Generations because I like the Styles and Hunter Arts.