Switch third party support.

[sonofliber]

Saying nintendo makes toys while talking about games which are literal toys.


Also mk 11 came out yesterday doom 2 is coming out also. And to answer the question why dont they make a more powerful console? I have a ps4 while would i need a nintendo equivalent? Now a switch? Now that i need. Since it fulfills another roll

 

[themistermanguy]

It's way better than the Wii U's because it's more diverse and varied. It's not getting RDR 2, but so what it had no chance of getting that kind of game to begin with. If you bought the Switch think it'll be the best place for all the latest games, you bought it for the wrong reasons.

Third party support is there and is growing each year. It's just that its in the form of indies, AA games, and remasters/ports. Nothing wrong with that though. Some people need to let go of this obsession with every console needing to be a direct rival to the PS4 because that's not really necessary.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

With just how much of an imploding dumpster fire AAA games are rapidly devolving into, do we care?

Indie games are going gangbusters, AA games are doing great, Nintendo doesn't have a bad first party game on the console, and second party development is as strong as ever. Cadence of Hyrule is going to be great if it's half as good as Crypt of the Necrodancer

Plus, I'm of the mind that if you remaster a WiiU game, it doesn't count as a remaster. All love and respect to the WiiU, but almost nobody played, say, Hyrule Warriors. For most people, that's a new game.

 

[themistermanguy]

With just how much of an imploding dumpster fire AAA games are rapidly devolving into, do we care?

This. AAA games are expensive, risk-averse, and often disappointing these days. Not unlike Blockbuster movies in Hollywood at the moment. Sure you get a couple of gems like Sekiro and the RE2 Remake. But many of them like Anthem and Fallout 76, just end up disappointing. It'll only get worse come next generation now that 4K is in the picture.

 

[Erttheking]

With just how much of an imploding dumpster fire AAA games are rapidly devolving into, do we care?

Indie games are going gangbusters, AA games are doing great, Nintendo doesn't have a bad first party game on the console, and second party development is as strong as ever. Cadence of Hyrule is going to be great if it's half as good as Crypt of the Necrodancer

Plus, I'm of the mind that if you remaster a WiiU game, it doesn't count as a remaster. All love and respect to the WiiU, but almost nobody played, say, Hyrule Warriors. For most people, that's a new game.

I get what you're saying, but something people tend to forget is that Nintendo IS AAA gaming. Breath of the Wild needed 2 million sales to break even on costs.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2016/06/30/zelda-breath-of-the-wild-needs-to-sell-2-million-copies-to-break-even/#1cef3e02615f

That means it very easily cost tens of millions, maybe even a hundred million dollars. And it more than did that, considering it sold over ten million units (9.3 million on the Switch and 1.5 million on the Wii U). Those are numbers that only top tier AAA games manage to snag nowadays, and Nintendo has quite a few games that manage to sell even more than that.

I think that you mean is more third-party AAA gaming. Jim Sterling raised an interesting point in that first-party and exclusive games tend to have less crappy modern gaming practices in them. There weren't microtransactions in God of War, The Last of Us, Horizon Zero Down, Bloodborne, Persona 5, or Spider-Man. *Looks at Halo 5*. Like I said, they TEND to. But the point is that those games have less obnoxious crap in them because they're trying to get players in the door and buy the system that they're on. Third-party AAA gaming, being purely software focused, double and triple dips with multiple season passes, microtransactions, and loot boxes.

Nintendo is like a lot of PS4 exclusives in that their stuff tends to be free of modern AAA crap, because they're trying to sell the Switch in addition to games. The worst they do is sell DLC, and even then it's DLC that feels like "let's make a complete game and then sell a few things on the side, afterward." And even then sometimes they just release the DLC for free. They're not flawless, for some reason Fire Emblem has no goddamn self-control when it comes to the sheer volume of DLC it spews out, but it's free of so much of the crap we usually get. It's AAA done right.

Also, yes, more Wii-U games on the Switch please.

EDIT: You're very right about indie games going gangbusters though. Risk of Rain 2 just came right the hell out of nowhere, it was just dropped on Steam on day with no fanfare. It's been topping the sales charts ever since, and it has more positive reviews on Steam than either Resident Evil 7 or Devil May Cry 5. Games that had MUCH more marketing than Risk of Rain 2 (then again any games that actually have marketing have more marketing than Risk of Rain 2).

 

[laggyteabag]

The Wii U and Switch are ultimately different consoles, with different markets.

The problem with the Wii U was that it was a home console that was barely more powerful than the 360 and the PS3, but it was released right at the end of the 7th generation of consoles. For the average consumer, there was little reason to get one, because you could have essentially the same experience on the 360/PS3 that had already be out for years, had a bigger game library, and were ultimately cheaper to get. So you would only really buy a Wii U if you wanted to play Nintendo games. This led to a console that only really had one purpose, and a very niche audience.

The Switch though, is different. Whilst it isn't much more powerful than the Wii U, the fact that the Switch is portable opens it up to a whole different demographic, and poises itself as more of a 3DS successor, rather than a Wii U successor (though it does ultimately replace it). This gives the console a whole different expectation. I don't expect Assassin's Creed, or Call of Duty, or Battlefield, or any other AAA big-shot to be on a portable console, so im not bothered by their absence, but the ability to play a game like Skyrim on the bus, gives it a whole other use case that a PS4, Xbox One or gaming desktop could never match. This makes it unique and desirable, even if the library of games is limited.

Personally, the Switch is my favourite console of this generation, and that is because it does something different. I have a high-end gaming PC, a PS4 Pro, and a standard Xbox One, and all 3 are sitting on my desk vying for the same attention, because they are all static devices, and all play the same games - aside from a few exclusives, here are there. The Switch on the other hand, allows me to play a whole host of great Nintendo games, and a bunch of really great indie titles, on the go - and that makes perfect, because it allows me to play games in scenarios that I couldn't have done before.

 

[Lufia Erim]

The problem with Nintendo consoles is that 3rd party developers have no idea how to make games on a Nintendo console. No seriously, look at Nintendos first party games. They looks a lot better than 3rd party games.

Luckily, Nintendos 1st party games are all on point. And more that justify the cost od entry. They are very polished and fun to play. I don't even dream of buying 3rd party games on their consoles.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

With just how much of an imploding dumpster fire AAA games are rapidly devolving into, do we care?

This. AAA games are expensive, risk-averse, and often disappointing these days. Not unlike Blockbuster movies in Hollywood at the moment. Sure you get a couple of gems like Sekiro and the RE2 Remake. But many of them like Anthem and Fallout 76, just end up disappointing. It'll only get worse come next generation now that 4K is in the picture.

Add onto that that we seem to be fast approaching the point where game companies are going to have to stop pushing their workers so hard with crunch time or else face walk outs (Riot Games just experienced the first walk out in game development history just the other day) that once THAT topic reaches it's boiling point, games like Red Dead Redemption 2 are probably not going to be seen again for a long time.