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Fraught

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tellmeimaninja said:
Wow...of the posts I've read, no PC elitists? Shocking. Well, the advantages are better RTS controls, better graphics (if your computer can run them), a wider selection of games than most consoles, and Mods.

Cons: Computers and upgrades can be very expensive, some games actually DO work better on Consoles, and you risk being brainwashed by your computer and turning into an elitist.
Also, better FPS controls. And a PC doesn't have the widest selection of games. Nowadays, there have been more and more console exclusives (games that are on the consoles, but not on the PC).
 

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KapnKerfuffle said:
Pros: fixing stuff with console commands. Example: Fallout 3 the caravans merchant would get themselves injured and not heal up and lose their guards. Then they would get killed like dummies. That's just silly. Why would they limp around like that? Cast a console spell and poof, they have their health and guards back. Even if you don't want to fuss with modding, the console is a nice tool to fix glitches.

Pro: Mass Effect 2 will be coming out on PC and Xbox at the same time. Well, this isn't really a pro, but more like a non-con as compared to Mass Effect 1.
mass effect is one of the few games i probably wont be playing on pc if the whole last game effecting the current is true, because i want to see the effects of letting a race of space bugs free and not exterminating them. Im pretty much the opposite of those people in distric 9
 

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jamesworkshop said:
largest back catalogue of games
newer hardware can make replaying a game a better experience
Making games work teaches you a lot about computers (not a con)
Emulators for N64 and earlier consoles
Largest choice of controllers, Kb+m/gamepad/joystick/wheel/Wii remote/dance pad/rockband instruments
Self repair
no CD cracks
Mods and greater access to the internet (p0rn)
plus every other task a PC can perform
Far more storage space
Better Visuals
Diablo

Cons
Pricer
shafted by most developers
What does newer hardware have to do with a "better experience"? Also, there are already 6th generation's consoles' emulators (PS2, Gamecube etc) and also there is already a Wii emulator. So there are plenty of emulators for later consoles than the N64.

Making games work teaches you a lot about computers. First, it takes time, and people want to play, not want to get a game to work. Also, what does it teach you? The game either meets your requirements or not, you don't really learn much, aside from going to buy new parts. Mostly people let some of their friends do the deciding which part to buy anyway.

Also, wut? Rock Band for PC? Playing with a Dance Pad in front of a computer? Hah. And Wii remote? Can you really connect one with the PC?

Instruments? Like what?

Better visuals depends on the computer you have. Also, on a console, you buy the game, you play it. You never know how much a game lags, and smooth gameplay is far more important than better visuals.

Also, Diablo can be included in the "biggest back catalogue of games" point.
 

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Aardvark said:
The problem was DRM refuses to let the game install/run. The solution: Remove the DRM.

If from that, you haven't figured out what the cause of it, then you're not familiar with it.
That's amazingly vague. If there was a widespread problem with DRM outright refusing to let a game run on any PC, there would've been a huge ruckus about it. While there have been many a public outcry due to DRM, they have all been about the restrictions placed on using the media and all that reinstallation bullshit, not about the media flat-out not working out of the box.

Like I said in my previous posts, I hate DRM just as much as you do, and I'm sorry to hear all that happened to you. If you got screwed by the PC once and are happier on the X360, that's great. Gaming is about having fun, after all, play what you like the best. I guess what I'm really trying to say is that having that many problems from DRM is rare, please don't portray it as the standard experience.

Fraught said:
Making games work teaches you a lot about computers. First, it takes time, and people want to play, not want to get a game to work. Also, what does it teach you? The game either meets your requirements or not, you don't really learn much, aside from going to buy new parts. Mostly people let some of their friends do the deciding which part to buy anyway.
It gives incentive to learn. My first foray into PC gaming was back in 99 with half-life 1. I played it at a friend's house and it was incredible, then I bought it and it ran like crap on my machine. Shortly after installing, I asked the pivotal question of "why". Why was it running so poorly on my machine? After that was the 'what' question: What could I do to make it run better?
That's where I got my start in computers, and today I have an IT job in addition to building computers on the side for friends/family. Having knowledge/experience in computer hardware also means I can also put together gaming PCs (or upgrade existing ones) for much less than what people would assume they cost - Think in the $200-$600 range to get a machine capable of handling Crysis with ease.
 

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Fraught said:
What does newer hardware have to do with a "better experience"? Also, there are already 6th generation's consoles' emulators (PS2, Gamecube etc) and also there is already a Wii emulator. So there are plenty of emulators for later consoles than the N64.

Making games work teaches you a lot about computers. First, it takes time, and people want to play, not want to get a game to work. Also, what does it teach you? The game either meets your requirements or not, you don't really learn much, aside from going to buy new parts. Mostly people let some of their friends do the deciding which part to buy anyway.

Also, wut? Rock Band for PC? Playing with a Dance Pad in front of a computer? Hah. And Wii remote? Can you really connect one with the PC?

Instruments? Like what?

Better visuals depends on the computer you have. Also, on a console, you buy the game, you play it. You never know how much a game lags, and smooth gameplay is far more important than better visuals.

Also, Diablo can be included in the "biggest back catalogue of games" point.
Better experience = greater draw distances, faster loading times, support for higher resolution texture packs

Pc gaming really requires you to build your own (due to price) and so you learn about matching specifications like voltages and how to setup your own operating system, getting games to run is not just a simple matter of buying better hardware sometime when installing a previously used game the registry might still have keys that prevent you from installing and thus need to be removed by hand their really is too many things to type let alone forgetting getting Mods to run or making them yourself which are all big parts of the PC gaming enviroment.

Sure plenty of dance pads have USB conectors (works great with stepmania) and the Wii remote uses Bluetooth and thus only requires a USB bluetooth Dongle and a download of GlovePie, as for rockband they are the same as xbox controllers and thus can be controlled just as easily using Xpadder.

Sure it depends on the computer but better parts are always available and thus is an option a choice which console gaming never gives you, smooth gameplay is an average 100FPS in Devil may cry 4, gamelag is a problem with all systems its a moot point.

The great point about the PC is that options are always available to you, one of my friends plays Diablo 2 on his Tv using an Xbox controller while he lies in bed with the controller conected to his laptop (also fits under PC gaming) with an HDMI cable to link with the Tv.
However that above situation requires effort and knowledge to get working problems can be solved by the user whereas consoles problems like the massive bugs in Fallout 3 or the PS3 version of ghostbusters are at the whims of the developers to fix so its not like console gaming is 100% it just works much like how that isn't true from Apples marketing department.
 

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jamesworkshop said:
Touché, my good sir, touché.

Only thing I have to say is that while you said "better parts are always available", they might not fit the computer the person has, and that person may not have sufficient funds.
 

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Fraught said:
jamesworkshop said:
Touché, my good sir, touché.

Only thing I have to say is that while you said "better parts are always available", they might not fit the computer the person has, and that person may not have sufficient funds.
Sure but we can only talk in general terms PC gaming is incredibly vast even if your just talking about Flash games.
Even with money parts are still available.
Even with PC gaming I still own a PS3 and DS lite but PC gaming is very dear to me because its just more Personal and involving very few console titles ever getting the lasting community that games like starcraft or counterstrike do its much more bitesized and thus games are easily forgotten
 

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AbuFace said:
That's amazingly vague. If there was a widespread problem with DRM outright refusing to let a game run on any PC, there would've been a huge ruckus about it. While there have been many a public outcry due to DRM, they have all been about the restrictions placed on using the media and all that reinstallation bullshit, not about the media flat-out not working out of the box.
There was a huge ruckus about it. We're talking a few years ago here.

If you haven't figured it out from the vague clues I gave you, don't sweat it. You've still got employment prospects in pretty much any Bangalore call centre, where script rather than initiative/knowledge dictates how a problem is handled.
 

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If there was a huge ruckus about it, it should be awfully easy for you to provide even the smallest of facts. So far, the only thing you've done in this thread is throw veiled insults while failing to provide any sort of proof or facts to back up your claim that "DRM MAKES IT SO NOTHING WORKS!" A claim that is being propagated by nobody else in this thread except you.

Vague clues...hah. Anyone who knows anything about computers knows that computers are creatures of detail. Without the details (which again, you have consistently failed to provide) your wild claims are just that: wild claims.
 

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Im looking to either getting a PC or laptop that will play games, which will pretty much make owning a 360 pointless.
Considering the top game I would buy a 360 for it L4D, and I've heard that the PC community is a lot more mature and with different mods available, it is a better choice. However, the money is a factor as well. I know from past experience that it costs a small fortune to upgrade a PC as one upgrade usually leads to another.
 

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AbuFace said:
If there was a huge ruckus about it, it should be awfully easy for you to provide even the smallest of facts. So far, the only thing you've done in this thread is throw veiled insults while failing to provide any sort of proof or facts to back up your claim that "DRM MAKES IT SO NOTHING WORKS!" A claim that is being propagated by nobody else in this thread except you.

Vague clues...hah. Anyone who knows anything about computers knows that computers are creatures of detail. Without the details (which again, you have consistently failed to provide) your wild claims are just that: wild claims.
In all fairness to Aardvark, I do remember a lot of cross-platform gaming magazines (EDGE, Gamesmaster etc.) reporting about the faults of DRM when it was in the early stages of implementation. Im guessing as I have not read about any problems, other than privacy issues, that these problems have been resolved.
 

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Yes, there were problems with early DRM, you are correct about that. There's always problems with newly introduced technologies, though. Like you said, things have been relatively quiet recently because DRM nowadays works. A lot of people disagree with the restrictions that DRM is trying to place on users (myself included) and there's plenty of debate about that, but the games do work.

According to Aard's last post, he had his problems a few years ago - right when DRM was in its infant stages and riddled with problems. Sounds like he's become (understandably) jaded from DRM-equipped games and hasn't looked back at PC gaming since. However, he is failing to realize that while people still have moral/opinionated problems with DRM, very few people experience technical problems with DRM.

The fact of the matter is that if you are looking to get into PC gaming, technical problems from DRM are not a factor anymore.
 

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aimhellfire said:
I have a above average computer for the first time in my life, and am thinking of forgetting about xbox for the most part and just playing games on the pc. What are some of the pros and cons of pc gaming?
Buy a Mac, load bootcamp on it, put steam on it, you can play Left 4 Dead and TF2 with no problem. It runs Crysis very well, and you can play QUAKE LIVE(!!!) on your browser in either windows mode or mac mode.

THERE ARE NO CONS.

DIABLO 3 AND STARCRAFT 2 ARE COMING OUT FOR MAC AND PC, NOT ANY CONSOLES.
 

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Cap said:
aimhellfire said:
I have a above average computer for the first time in my life, and am thinking of forgetting about xbox for the most part and just playing games on the pc. What are some of the pros and cons of pc gaming?
Buy a Mac, load bootcamp on it, put steam on it, you can play Left 4 Dead and TF2 with no problem. It runs Crysis very well, and you can play QUAKE LIVE(!!!) on your browser in either windows mode or mac mode.

THERE ARE NO CONS.

DIABLO 3 AND STARCRAFT 2 ARE COMING OUT FOR MAC AND PC, NOT ANY CONSOLES.
Oh are you sure, there seem to be alot of games that dont work on mac's
 

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do as you please,for no matter what you choose there will be joys and sorrows.

choose wisely young one.
 

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The Political Gamer said:
Zombie Badger said:
Make sure to buy the Orange Box.
This!

Oh but you have to get Steam [http://store.steampowered.com/] first. Then you never have to buy a disk again.
k im downloading it now
 

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Preitty much all new PC games are bad ports of Xbox games now so I wouldn't really say it's worth it. I recently switched from being primarily a PC gamer to Xbox 360.

I still play the PC-only or games that are best on PC (TF2 anyone) but the Xbox gets a lot more use.