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I'd consider this one more of a hotfix than a patchPsychicTaco115 said:Added it in. Didn't know Patch 1.1 would be out so soonWeaver said:
Really appreciate this thread though. And I'm so glad it hasn't fallen to shit already, like most threads like this do on the internet.
Keep up the good work!
Because your sexual organ doesn't necessarily inform your gender identity. I know plenty of people who have a penis who consider themselves female. I know a couple of people with vaginas who don't like the concept of gender.tangoprime said:
And I can't imagine this discussion is going to go over well on this site, especially because gamers are ever so mature about things that don't directly affect them. Not saying I'm not wishing luck to you, Taco, but good lord, this isn't going to end well.
I obviously understand completely that people don't identify gender by their sexual organ, which is why I suggested removal of "sex" and "GENDER" from said forms where identification is the purpose so as to not disenfranchise those who wouldn't identify with the available options, and instead, just identify, for the sake of actual identification, "Penis" or "Vagina." Example: Deciding to me more accommodating, a municipality/state/etc. decides to go the Facebook route and include 57 different identifiers of Gender on their issued identification cards. A person is arrested for a felony, and their issued identification card indicates that they are "gender fluid." Where is this prisoner housed? A person is admitted to the ER with severe abdominal pain and mentions a history of bleeding on their intake form. Under gender, they list "Two-Spirit." ... People can identify themselves however they like, however, sometimes knowing what they are, biologically, is fucking important. So, in order to not offend someone who is constantly offended by having to pick one option or the other, just stop asking the question where the confusion/derision/ambiguity presents itself, and ask a biological question in it's place.CelestDaer said:
Also, as I'd mentioned in the original thread about this (the facebook one), as I've already said, I have absolutely zero problem with people identifying themselves however they see fit. I'm all for everyone pursuing their own way regardless of societal pressures. I like to think of myself as extremely open minded. I do, however, get really fucking perturbed when I make it a point to be accommodating and use a term that describes someone's self identified gender correctly, and they get offended because I didn't use their preferred synonym. Having 50+ terms for genders when you're basically describing about 6 different permutations (give or take depending on how far you want get into what encompasses gender) is fucking bananas (which may or may not also be a 'gender' to which someone ascribes). My original point was just in the absurdity of it.
"I am a person with a penis."
This sentence saved me from so much argueing and head trouble in my teenage years, if you want to get rid of gender constructs you should just ignore them, do people give you shit for it? ignore them too!
I get that someone would want to change their sex, or be attracted to the same sex, at the same time even, but don't make up terms for own behavioural patterns if they aren't the same in every and all situations.
Because they never are.
Making up new labels for people's behaviour in regards to gender construct is not any less constrictive, just more conviluted.
To me, most of these terms seem to be employed by teenagers looking to find out who they are or wanna be in life, as a person, and that's okay, I just don't think it's worth the social crusade.
This sentence saved me from so much argueing and head trouble in my teenage years, if you want to get rid of gender constructs you should just ignore them, do people give you shit for it? ignore them too!
I get that someone would want to change their sex, or be attracted to the same sex, at the same time even, but don't make up terms for own behavioural patterns if they aren't the same in every and all situations.
Because they never are.
Making up new labels for people's behaviour in regards to gender construct is not any less constrictive, just more conviluted.
To me, most of these terms seem to be employed by teenagers looking to find out who they are or wanna be in life, as a person, and that's okay, I just don't think it's worth the social crusade.
that whole "cis" and male and female and gender....seriously? cis male reads to me "i am a man trapped in a mans body"
and ffs i get lgbt and the whole lot but some things are just "edgy" bs...or am i actually the only one ffeling this way when reading sth like the cis stuff?! i can't be right? right?
btw if gender ain't like race i.e. the color of your skin or what kind of fun parts you got...oh boy will we have forms in the future.
not everything has to cater to your exact definition of everything.
and ffs i get lgbt and the whole lot but some things are just "edgy" bs...or am i actually the only one ffeling this way when reading sth like the cis stuff?! i can't be right? right?
may i tip my hat to you fine sir (i don't have a hat but yeah you get the idea) really gave me laughPsychicTaco115 said:
btw if gender ain't like race i.e. the color of your skin or what kind of fun parts you got...oh boy will we have forms in the future.
not everything has to cater to your exact definition of everything.
Do you feel the same way about the term : heterosexual?" Because it seems like the same argument to me. Do you consider heterosexuality "edgy bs?"Harleykin said:
I don't see why you can't have one box where you fill in gender. That doesn't seem like it'd be a huge blow to forms. Some have been doing that since before any of this was mainstream.
And you're absolutely right there. But I'm pretty sure nobody is saying that it does. This thread is designed to give people a way to inform themselves. Nobody's going to force you. Well, there may be one or two people out there.
But perhaps since you are saying not everyone has to cater to your exact definition, perhaps you could be more understanding of others instead of calling "edgy bs" on people who don't cater to your exact definition.
That sounds pretty annoying... I'd hate to constantly fear accidentally offending a friend because of what they've decided they feel like at the time, do they at least wear a "Hello myerttheking said:
Here's pretty much what my entire post was about. Though my new crusade I will be taking up is to get the binary "Male / Female" choice on government forms changed to "Penis / Vagina" just for the lolz, and to avoid a future where the entire first page of any form is Name and Gender (choose one from below).Combustion Kevin said:
no. and really because you and me we both know what hetero means. i am for clearifing but...you know what? i give up right here right now. no flame war no "you don't get it" no nothing.Zachary Amaranth said:
i'll not delete my post or alter it so it won't make me look like i'm backing out of things or to ruin the quotes you made.
it's just a delusion of choice to me. a redundant one at that.
not mocking the subject here i'm happy someone went all the way to list things and explain them so thanks for that.
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i saw that somehow coming. but it's all good. english isn't my firs tlanguage so it's a bit difficult to express what i mean...lemme tryZachary Amaranth said:
your gender and or sex or definition of it don't have to cater to my definition and just because i think 15+ terms for a bunch of ways to see who you are are basically too much.
otherwise i want to have box saying "marco" and i tick it off and i'm done. if you fill out a form or a survey or anything else basically no one want's to know how you feel about your bits and things you got.
or let me put it this way: who really needs to know all of this? it's facebook it's legal forms you don't enter your specific taste of anything there. and most ppl will still just see "penis" or "vagina" and i do think that's wrong but a definition for a man born as man in a mans body....let's meet and you look me straight in the eye and tell me that's not a least bit redudant. it's a delusion of choice to be sth diffrent in my opinion. i met gay ppl and that's it. not gonna lie about it.
never met any of the above. sure would like to though. i am curious.
This is the ONLY one I have a problem with. And that's because it should actually be defined as an indigenous american whose body manifests both a masculine and feminine spirit.PsychicTaco115 said:
And it's probably because I know people who identify this way and have heard many lectures from them to others about it. It is specific to native/indigenous americans and a LOT of people don't seem to understand that part of it.
Otherwise you did good with this.
There's other cultures that also have their own gender terms as well *searches bookmarks*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun (for anyone who is curious about those)
http://subtlecluster.tumblr.com/post/30067700109/genderqueer-links-and-books (this is a nicely informed list of resources and stuff)
Hijras
Hijras are male-body-born, feminine-gender-identifying people who live in South Asia (mostly in India & Nepal). Many Hijras live in well-defined, organized, all-Hijra communities, led by a guru.
Although many Hijras identify as Muslim, many practice a form of syncretism that draws on multiple religions; seeing themselves to be neither men nor women, Hijras practice rituals for both men and women.
Hijras belong to a special caste. They are usually devotees of the mother goddess Bahuchara Mata, Lord Shiva, or both.
Nandi female husbands
Among the Nandi in Western Kenya, one social identity option for women is to become a female husband, and thus a man in society?s eyes. Female husbands are expected to become men and take on all of the social and cultural responsibilities of a man, including finding a wife to marry and passing on property to the next generation through marriage. Female husbands may have lived their lives as women and may even be married to a man, but once she becomes a female-husband, she is expected to be a man. Women married to female-husbands may have sex with single men uninterested in commitment in order to become pregnant, but the female-husband (who is often an older woman, often a widow) will father the child of said pregnancy and treat the child like her own.
Two-spirited people
Two-Spirit is an umbrella term sometimes used for what was once commonly known as ?berdaches?, Indigenous North Americans who fulfill one of many mixed gender roles found traditionally among many Native Americans and Canadian First Nations communities. The term usually indicates a person whose body simultaneously manifests both a masculine and a feminine spirit. Male and female two-spirits have been ?documented in over 130 tribes, in every region of North America.?
Travesti
In South America (with a large presence in Brazil), a travesti is a person who was assigned male at birth who has a feminine gender identity and is primarily sexually attracted to masculine men. Therefore, sometimes the distinction between gender identity and sexual orientation is not made. Travestis have been described as a third gender, but not all see themselves this way.Travestis often will begin taking female hormones and injecting silicone to enlargen their backsides as boys and continue the process into womanhood.
The work of cultural Anthropologist Don Kulick (a gay male by Western definitions) in Brazil demonstrated that gender construction in Brazil is binary (like Western gender construction), but unlike Western gender construction, instead of having a male-female binary, there is a male-notmale.
In this particular construction of gender:
Males include: men who have sex with women, men who have sex with Travestis but are never on the receiving end of anal sex, men who have sex with men but are never on the receiving end of anal sex.
Not-males include: women, men who receive anal sex from ?male? gay men or from Travestis.
Fa?afafine
Fa?afafine are the gender liminal, or third-gendered people of Samoa. A recognized and integral part of traditional Samoan culture, fa?afafine, born biologically male, embody both male and female gender traits. Their gendered behavior typically ranges from extravagantly feminine to mundanely masculine
Waria
Waria is a traditional third general role found in modern Indonesia. Additionally, the Bugis culture of Sulawesi (one of the four larger Sunda Islands of Indonesia) has been described as having three sexes (male, female and intersex) as well as five genders with distinct social roles.
Six Genders of old Israel
In the old Kingdom of Israel (1020?931 BCE) there were six officially recognized genders:
Zachar: male
Nekeveh: female
Androgynos: both male and female
Tumtum: gender neutral/without definite gender
Aylonit: female-to-male transgender people
Saris: male-to-female transgender people (often inaccurately translated as ?eunuch?)
Kathoey (often called ?ladyboys?)
Australian scholar of sexual politics in Thailand Peter Jackson?s work indicates that the term ?kathoey? was used in pre-modern times to refer to intersexual people, and that the usage changed in the middle of the twentieth century to cover cross-dressing males, to create what is now a gender identity unique to Thailand. Thailand also has three identities related to female-bodied people: Tom, Dee, and heterosexual woman.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand)
http://subtlecluster.tumblr.com/post/30067700109/genderqueer-links-and-books (this is a nicely informed list of resources and stuff)
Hijras
Hijras are male-body-born, feminine-gender-identifying people who live in South Asia (mostly in India & Nepal). Many Hijras live in well-defined, organized, all-Hijra communities, led by a guru.
Although many Hijras identify as Muslim, many practice a form of syncretism that draws on multiple religions; seeing themselves to be neither men nor women, Hijras practice rituals for both men and women.
Hijras belong to a special caste. They are usually devotees of the mother goddess Bahuchara Mata, Lord Shiva, or both.
Nandi female husbands
Among the Nandi in Western Kenya, one social identity option for women is to become a female husband, and thus a man in society?s eyes. Female husbands are expected to become men and take on all of the social and cultural responsibilities of a man, including finding a wife to marry and passing on property to the next generation through marriage. Female husbands may have lived their lives as women and may even be married to a man, but once she becomes a female-husband, she is expected to be a man. Women married to female-husbands may have sex with single men uninterested in commitment in order to become pregnant, but the female-husband (who is often an older woman, often a widow) will father the child of said pregnancy and treat the child like her own.
Two-spirited people
Two-Spirit is an umbrella term sometimes used for what was once commonly known as ?berdaches?, Indigenous North Americans who fulfill one of many mixed gender roles found traditionally among many Native Americans and Canadian First Nations communities. The term usually indicates a person whose body simultaneously manifests both a masculine and a feminine spirit. Male and female two-spirits have been ?documented in over 130 tribes, in every region of North America.?
Travesti
In South America (with a large presence in Brazil), a travesti is a person who was assigned male at birth who has a feminine gender identity and is primarily sexually attracted to masculine men. Therefore, sometimes the distinction between gender identity and sexual orientation is not made. Travestis have been described as a third gender, but not all see themselves this way.Travestis often will begin taking female hormones and injecting silicone to enlargen their backsides as boys and continue the process into womanhood.
The work of cultural Anthropologist Don Kulick (a gay male by Western definitions) in Brazil demonstrated that gender construction in Brazil is binary (like Western gender construction), but unlike Western gender construction, instead of having a male-female binary, there is a male-notmale.
In this particular construction of gender:
Males include: men who have sex with women, men who have sex with Travestis but are never on the receiving end of anal sex, men who have sex with men but are never on the receiving end of anal sex.
Not-males include: women, men who receive anal sex from ?male? gay men or from Travestis.
Fa?afafine
Fa?afafine are the gender liminal, or third-gendered people of Samoa. A recognized and integral part of traditional Samoan culture, fa?afafine, born biologically male, embody both male and female gender traits. Their gendered behavior typically ranges from extravagantly feminine to mundanely masculine
Waria
Waria is a traditional third general role found in modern Indonesia. Additionally, the Bugis culture of Sulawesi (one of the four larger Sunda Islands of Indonesia) has been described as having three sexes (male, female and intersex) as well as five genders with distinct social roles.
Six Genders of old Israel
In the old Kingdom of Israel (1020?931 BCE) there were six officially recognized genders:
Zachar: male
Nekeveh: female
Androgynos: both male and female
Tumtum: gender neutral/without definite gender
Aylonit: female-to-male transgender people
Saris: male-to-female transgender people (often inaccurately translated as ?eunuch?)
Kathoey (often called ?ladyboys?)
Australian scholar of sexual politics in Thailand Peter Jackson?s work indicates that the term ?kathoey? was used in pre-modern times to refer to intersexual people, and that the usage changed in the middle of the twentieth century to cover cross-dressing males, to create what is now a gender identity unique to Thailand. Thailand also has three identities related to female-bodied people: Tom, Dee, and heterosexual woman.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identities_in_Thailand)
Androgynsexual: One who finds androgynous or genderqueer people attractive. Like pansexual, but specifically those not at either end of the gendered spectrum.
Antisexual: a belief that sexuality is wrong or should be avoided. It is distinct from asexuality; an antisexual person can be sexual or asexual, and not all asexuals are antisexual.
Arousal: For some sexual arousal is a fairly regular occurrence, though it is not associated with a desire to find a sexual partner or partners. Some will occasionally masturbate, but feel no desire for partnered sexuality. Other asexual people experience little or no arousal. Because we don?t care about sex, asexual people generally do not see a lack of sexual arousal as a problem to be corrected, and focus their energy on enjoying other types of arousal and pleasure.
Asexual: An asexual is someone who does not experience sexual attraction. Unlike celibacy, which people choose, asexuality is an intrinsic part of who we are. Asexuality does not make our lives any worse or any better, we just face a different set of challenges than most sexual people. There is considerable diversity among the asexual community; each asexual person experiences things like relationships, attraction, and arousal somewhat differently. Asexuality is just beginning to be the subject of scientific research.
Attraction: Many asexual people experience attraction, but we feel no need to act out that attraction sexually. Instead we feel a desire to get to know someone, to get close to them in whatever way works best for us. Asexual people who experience attraction will often be attracted to a particular gender, and will identify as lesbian, gay, bi, or straight.
Autosexual: Someone sexual attracted and/or gets adequate sexual satisfaction by oneself
Bi-curious: a term used to refer to people of a heterosexual or homosexual identity who, while showing some curiosity in a relationship or sexual activity with a person of the sex they do not favor, distinguish themselves from the bisexual label. The term is sometimes used to describe a broad continuum of sexual orientation between heterosexuality and bisexuality.[1] The terms ?heteroflexible? and ?homoflexible? are also applied to bi-curiosity, though some authors distinguish heteroflexibility as lacking the ?wish to experiment with ? sexuality? implied by the bi-curious label.[2]
Bisexual: A person who is attracted to genders on both ends of the spectrum.
Biromantic: A person who is romantically attracted to members of both sexes.
Demiromantic: A Demiromantic is a person who does not experience romantic attraction until they form a strong emotional connection with someone, often (but not always) in a romantic relationship.
Demisexual: a person who does not experience sexual attraction until they form a strong emotional connection with someone, often (but not always) in a romantic relationship. The term demisexual comes from the orientation being ?halfway between? sexual and asexual. Nevertheless, this term does not mean that demisexuals have an incomplete or half-sexuality, nor does it mean that sexual attraction without emotional connection is required for a complete sexuality. In general, demisexuals are not sexually attracted to anyone of any gender; however, when a demisexual is emotionally connected to (usually in love with but sometimes feel strongly as friends) someone else, the demisexual experiences sexual attraction and desire, but only towards the specific partner or partners.
GSM: An acronym standing for gender and sexuality minorities. GSM is a useful term as it is succinct and it is very inclusive, including people who are gay, queer, bisexual, intersex, pansexual, asexual, lesbians, transgender/trans*, genderqueer, gender non-conforming, kink, polyamorous, and more.
Gynoromantic: A gynoromantic is someone romantically attracted to those with a vagina
Gynosexual: anyone who has sexual feelings towards a person with a vagina. Derived from the Greek wordgyno which means ?female/woman? and the Latin word sexualis meaning ?relating to sex,? the term gynosexual can be useful when describing the sexual orientation of an individual with a non-binary gender identity.
Heteroflexible: a person who is straight but has a queer sensibility. They usually have lots of gay friends, identify with gay and lesbian culture and work for gay and lesbian rights.
Heteromantic: A person who is romantically attracted to a member of the opposite sex.
Homoflexibile: A person is primarily attracted to members of the same-sex but occasionally finds themselves attracted to the opposite sex.
LGBT: A common acronym which stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender/trans*. There are other variations similar to this acronym, such as LGBTQQIAA which stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender/trans*, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, and ally.
Omnisexual: Another name for Pansexual
Outing: To out oneself is to share an identity that was previously unknown to people, usually referring to sexual orientation or gender identity. You should never out someone without their consent.
Panromantic: A person who is romantically attracted to others but is not limited by the other?s sex or gender. Similar to biromantic except that it includes genders beyond male and female including transgender and third gender. Panromantics, unlike biromantics, will tend to feel that their partner?s gender does little to define their relationship. Often someone identifying as biromantic is also panromantic, but panromantic is much less known or understand as a term and simply less common.
Pansexual: a term that has been growing in recent years as a way for people to better identify their sexual identity. The word Pansexual is derived from the Greek prefix pan, meaning ?all?. The term is reflective of those who feel they are sexually/emotionally/spiritually capable of falling in love with all genders.
Pomosexual: Of or relating to a person who does not wish his or her sexuality to be put into a conventional category
Queer: an umbrella term for sexual minorities[1] that are not heterosexual, heteronormative, or gender-binary.
Sexual orientation: Refers to who one is sexually attracted to. Gender identity and sexual orientation may affect one another but they are not the same. The term transgender does not refer to sexual orientation, it refers to gender identity and/or expression.
Twink: a gay slang term describing a young or young-looking gay man (in his late teens or early twenties) with a slender, ectomorph build, little or no body hair, and no facial hair.
Antisexual: a belief that sexuality is wrong or should be avoided. It is distinct from asexuality; an antisexual person can be sexual or asexual, and not all asexuals are antisexual.
Arousal: For some sexual arousal is a fairly regular occurrence, though it is not associated with a desire to find a sexual partner or partners. Some will occasionally masturbate, but feel no desire for partnered sexuality. Other asexual people experience little or no arousal. Because we don?t care about sex, asexual people generally do not see a lack of sexual arousal as a problem to be corrected, and focus their energy on enjoying other types of arousal and pleasure.
Asexual: An asexual is someone who does not experience sexual attraction. Unlike celibacy, which people choose, asexuality is an intrinsic part of who we are. Asexuality does not make our lives any worse or any better, we just face a different set of challenges than most sexual people. There is considerable diversity among the asexual community; each asexual person experiences things like relationships, attraction, and arousal somewhat differently. Asexuality is just beginning to be the subject of scientific research.
Attraction: Many asexual people experience attraction, but we feel no need to act out that attraction sexually. Instead we feel a desire to get to know someone, to get close to them in whatever way works best for us. Asexual people who experience attraction will often be attracted to a particular gender, and will identify as lesbian, gay, bi, or straight.
Autosexual: Someone sexual attracted and/or gets adequate sexual satisfaction by oneself
Bi-curious: a term used to refer to people of a heterosexual or homosexual identity who, while showing some curiosity in a relationship or sexual activity with a person of the sex they do not favor, distinguish themselves from the bisexual label. The term is sometimes used to describe a broad continuum of sexual orientation between heterosexuality and bisexuality.[1] The terms ?heteroflexible? and ?homoflexible? are also applied to bi-curiosity, though some authors distinguish heteroflexibility as lacking the ?wish to experiment with ? sexuality? implied by the bi-curious label.[2]
Bisexual: A person who is attracted to genders on both ends of the spectrum.
Biromantic: A person who is romantically attracted to members of both sexes.
Demiromantic: A Demiromantic is a person who does not experience romantic attraction until they form a strong emotional connection with someone, often (but not always) in a romantic relationship.
Demisexual: a person who does not experience sexual attraction until they form a strong emotional connection with someone, often (but not always) in a romantic relationship. The term demisexual comes from the orientation being ?halfway between? sexual and asexual. Nevertheless, this term does not mean that demisexuals have an incomplete or half-sexuality, nor does it mean that sexual attraction without emotional connection is required for a complete sexuality. In general, demisexuals are not sexually attracted to anyone of any gender; however, when a demisexual is emotionally connected to (usually in love with but sometimes feel strongly as friends) someone else, the demisexual experiences sexual attraction and desire, but only towards the specific partner or partners.
GSM: An acronym standing for gender and sexuality minorities. GSM is a useful term as it is succinct and it is very inclusive, including people who are gay, queer, bisexual, intersex, pansexual, asexual, lesbians, transgender/trans*, genderqueer, gender non-conforming, kink, polyamorous, and more.
Gynoromantic: A gynoromantic is someone romantically attracted to those with a vagina
Gynosexual: anyone who has sexual feelings towards a person with a vagina. Derived from the Greek wordgyno which means ?female/woman? and the Latin word sexualis meaning ?relating to sex,? the term gynosexual can be useful when describing the sexual orientation of an individual with a non-binary gender identity.
Heteroflexible: a person who is straight but has a queer sensibility. They usually have lots of gay friends, identify with gay and lesbian culture and work for gay and lesbian rights.
Heteromantic: A person who is romantically attracted to a member of the opposite sex.
Homoflexibile: A person is primarily attracted to members of the same-sex but occasionally finds themselves attracted to the opposite sex.
LGBT: A common acronym which stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender/trans*. There are other variations similar to this acronym, such as LGBTQQIAA which stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender/trans*, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, and ally.
Omnisexual: Another name for Pansexual
Outing: To out oneself is to share an identity that was previously unknown to people, usually referring to sexual orientation or gender identity. You should never out someone without their consent.
Panromantic: A person who is romantically attracted to others but is not limited by the other?s sex or gender. Similar to biromantic except that it includes genders beyond male and female including transgender and third gender. Panromantics, unlike biromantics, will tend to feel that their partner?s gender does little to define their relationship. Often someone identifying as biromantic is also panromantic, but panromantic is much less known or understand as a term and simply less common.
Pansexual: a term that has been growing in recent years as a way for people to better identify their sexual identity. The word Pansexual is derived from the Greek prefix pan, meaning ?all?. The term is reflective of those who feel they are sexually/emotionally/spiritually capable of falling in love with all genders.
Pomosexual: Of or relating to a person who does not wish his or her sexuality to be put into a conventional category
Queer: an umbrella term for sexual minorities[1] that are not heterosexual, heteronormative, or gender-binary.
Sexual orientation: Refers to who one is sexually attracted to. Gender identity and sexual orientation may affect one another but they are not the same. The term transgender does not refer to sexual orientation, it refers to gender identity and/or expression.
Twink: a gay slang term describing a young or young-looking gay man (in his late teens or early twenties) with a slender, ectomorph build, little or no body hair, and no facial hair.
Well, the person I'm friends with is pretty laid back about it, he just clarifies when he wants something different. It's less the trait and more the person with it.tangoprime said:
If the form has 50 poorly thought out options, most having at least one synonym, that's a huge blow, not only to "forms" but common sense.Zachary Amaranth said:
This list (if it is to be seen as definitive) needs to be cleaned up. As others have pointed out, there are about 4 different ways to just say male or female. This is needlessly complicated and quite frankly doesn't seem to accurately reflect reality. I think we can all agree that the vast majority would identify themselves as male or female, that leaves about 44 other options to say not that.
Maybe some will consider me close minded or bigoted, but I don't see it that way. This just seems like sabotage of the concept, and that may very well be the point. I know some people think the notion of gender should be discarded all together, and to a certain degree I understand that, it just seems to me that said people would be better served directly advocating their position then trying to make lists such as this look silly.
EDIT: fixed bad quote, thanks Harleykin
I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because I have nothing to say on it, however as a genderfluid person who has never felt comfortable with people always referring to them as a girl and not really feeling like a boy either, it is a feeling of relief to know that there are people who feel like you do. That there is a name/word for what you are. If you refer to my prior post here, you will also note that there are more gender identities than even what taco initially put. And most of them have been around for decades. Just because the Western world hasn't acknowledged them doesn't invalidate their existence.Robert Marrs said:
Regardless. Having a name/word/term for what you are and feel is a huge fucking sigh of relief. If you've never felt different than your assigned gender at birth then you'll never fully understand what people feel when they find the word that defines them. We can explain it until we are blue in the face but unless you go through it, you won't get a full understanding. (And yes I do realise I just said the same thing twice. It was intentional)
what about intersex people? or people after srs? what about guys who had a terrible accident?tangoprime said:
Good list, although most of it can easily be found by googling. (Not to diminish your efforts! Go taco!)
Also, for all you cis homies out there, remember: knowing the terms is only the first step in actually being educated! For example, you might not know that most trans feminine people actually detest the label trans*, and you might use it around them and make them grumpy without even knowing why!
(The reason why is that Trans* is often used by DFAB trans people to insert themselves into discussions where they themselves are not relevant, such as those about transmisogyny, which serves the diminish the issues that transwomen face. It's like how gays use LGBT to insert themselves into conversations about transpeople. There are other reasons as well, like the fact that trans* includes cis crossdressers which lets be real here, aren't exactly comparable to full on transsexuals.)
So! Before you anoint yourself educated just because you know the terms, stop, think, and go learn some more. You really can't learn enough.
Also, for all you cis homies out there, remember: knowing the terms is only the first step in actually being educated! For example, you might not know that most trans feminine people actually detest the label trans*, and you might use it around them and make them grumpy without even knowing why!
(The reason why is that Trans* is often used by DFAB trans people to insert themselves into discussions where they themselves are not relevant, such as those about transmisogyny, which serves the diminish the issues that transwomen face. It's like how gays use LGBT to insert themselves into conversations about transpeople. There are other reasons as well, like the fact that trans* includes cis crossdressers which lets be real here, aren't exactly comparable to full on transsexuals.)
So! Before you anoint yourself educated just because you know the terms, stop, think, and go learn some more. You really can't learn enough.
Too many werds. Rather than take the time to wrap my head around this, I hope nobody minds if I just shut down and go full asexual.
Your taxonomy is incredibly inefficient. There is some extreme redundancy here as well as a blend of sex, gender and sexuality descriptors. There's also a frankly baffling mix of linguistic and cultural influences here, which probably isn't helping the massive redundancy I mentioned.
This is just a list of every self-labelling term you could find on Tumblr isn't it? Shit like this is why I pity Open Source project administrators.
This is just a list of every self-labelling term you could find on Tumblr isn't it? Shit like this is why I pity Open Source project administrators.