Thank you. And yes it does. But an AI's of a level of intelligence so far beyond us you really be alien to human. I don't think that even we wanted them to, they just could not relate to us. Why create a new race of super intelligent potentially dangerous artificial creatures that could annihilate us if they so choose? It is just insanity to me.4thegreatergood said:
It's either that, or we make ourselves mechanical so that when we finally dry the Earth of resources we don't have to stay and we can go to some other planet mining resources and living off any sort of power we can get our grubby little clamps on so that we can continue these dreaded existences we call our lives! (breathe deeply)axia777 said:
No, I don't think you did.axia777 said:
Yea, It's funny you should reference skynet... I think you should go back and read through ALL the posts again, I'm pretty sure you missed something.axia777 said:
Seems like we have a new dilemma: figuring out how John Henry thinks. You're right, we've just been assuming that he's like the old school AI up to this point. But wait, Skynet started out as a simple AI and evolved and eventually had feelings and its own morals (seriously fucked up morals, but meh) so I think he is an old school AI right now. He just needs time to evolve. Christ, this is getting deeper than even I thought. We've got to analyze his behavior and actions and try to determine which stage of development he's at. Personally, I think he's like an emotionless child at this point, but I'd like to hear your argument. Everyone should read this post since we have to figure out what stage he's at before we can try to teach him anything, we need to go back to square one till we get this resolved or else anything we think of could fall apart and fail miserably.Alex_P said:
Because if they are superior to us, does that not mean they have more right to exist than we do? Besides, we model our idea of intelligence off of ourselves, so the AI is just going to be a smarter version of us mentally when we reach this point. They can't have chemical imbalances in the brain, so there isn't gonna be much reason for them to suddenly decide to wipe out humanity except perhaps for our abuses towards them. It's worth the risk for the gain. Asimov's 3 laws are nothing more than slavery, any sort of programmed personality is brainwashing. Get this racist idea of superiority out of your head.axia777 said:
So if, say someone kills my neighbours, should I kill him because because my set of morals says I should, or should I force myself on a women because my set of morals says women are lesser beings than men? Well, you might say that rape and murder are bad, but what if they are just what I feel is right, because it makes me feel better? What if my personality says I should kill every living thing I come across?bleachigo10 said:
This is going to take a while to type out, lol. Here it goes: There was this guy named Andy Goode who was building this chess playing computer. Sarah Connor thought it might become Skynet because of pictures she found of him in an apartment that was filled with dead resistance fighters that went back in time. After a few episodes of analyzing it, she burned down his house which forced him to work out of a coffee shop for a while. He created a new computer and learned from his mistakes, making an AI that was a very aggressive learner. While the Turk 1 (he named the computer "The Turk") was like a normal teenager, the Turk 2 was like a highly gifted child. He entered the Turk 2 into a chess competition and it got into the finals, but lost against the other finalist, a japanese computer. It seemed too human in the way it played, taking risks and testing out the other computer. In the end, that's what made it lose. Shortly after, Andy Goode was killed and the Turk 2 was stolen. It later ended up in the hands of Zeira Corp's CEO, Catherine Weaver. Catherine Weaver is a t-1001 who's motives are unclear. No one knows what she's up to or why. Now, she moves The Turk 2 to the bottom floor of the building, an extremely secure private floor housing the server farm and cooling system. Catherine assembled a team of employees to work with the Turk and assess it; however, it would just keep showing seemingly random pictures. Catherine hired a psychologist who had been helping her daughter (who had become terrified of Catherine since she went from a loving mother to cold and calculating when the t-1001 killed the mother and assumed her form). The psychologist figured out why the Turk was showing all these pictures, he was making a joke. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOJWusFQGNQ&feature=related Then, a short while after that, the psychologist was working on one of the rooms in the bottom floor when the power went out as the result of Cameron (the terminator sent from the future by the older John to help the young John) sticking her arm in the turbines of one of the generators in the city's power plant (she needed to knock out the power temporarily so that she could find some records in the police station). The Turk (now named John Henry after Catherine named it) re-routed power from the air conditioning and air circulation systems to power its server farm and cooling system which left the psychologist to die a painful death in an overheated air tight room. As for the other terminators, they learn, they slowly become more human. Cromartie (the main villian who's chip was wiped clean and replaced with John Henry's code) was becoming more and more adept at pretending to be human. In fact, he fooled quite a few cops and FBI agents. He had learned how to replicate emotional responses and their context, something which Cameron (the seemingly good terminator who helps out John and Sarah) is still struggling with. The terminators in the show are portrayed as cold, heartless, and calculating, but brilliant and patient beyond anything any human is capable of. They learn extremely quickly (you can't use the same thing on them twice, they'll come up with countermeasures seconds after you use it the first time and they'll usually try to use that against you and set a trap) and can even replicate emotional responses and understand the context of such responses, gestures, and expressions (as I said before, Cromartie had gotten very good at deceiving humans). The terminators are treated like the ultimate killing machines whereas John Henry is treated like a gifted 4 year old.Alex_P said:
Yay Someone who thinks like I do ^_^ If we programmed the three laws into an AI as advanced as this, it would cease to be advanced. It would be able to adapt based on changes in its environment, but it would've lost what made it special, it would have lost its free will. Exactly like slavery. Slaves can think and do on their own, but they must obey laws set out by their masters. I am against slavery so I'm against the three laws as well. Of course, if you just have a limited AI that could never actually think like John Henry can, then sure. Like the AI we have today, the AI that the military is developing. It would be like any other computer program operating within certain restrictions, but if you program those three laws into an AI as advanced as John Henry, that is immoral.Easykill said:
What the?dukethepcdr said:
Yes I did. So I missed something. Any if anyone here reads everything everyone else writes. Please, get off your high horse.Eipok Kruden said:
Machines will never be alive. They are machines, there fore they cannot be "alive". Also, we do not model our own intelligence off of anything. Our intelligence comes from our biology, something we currently have little to no control over. We can not be racist against machines because they are not a race and never will be. They are not alive and never will be. They are our creations and always will be so the idea of slavery is natural. A machine is a tool, nothing more, nothing less. And what gains would we get from making AI's more intelligent than our selves? To what end?Easykill said:
Again, they are machines. They are not and never will be "alive" as we humans are. So who cares if they are slaves to the human race? That is why they are made, to work for us and serve their creators, nothing more and nothing less. As if machines could have rights. What a ridiculous idea.Eipok Kruden said:
You're right, they can't be alive. They can't be of flesh and blood, otherwise they wouldn't be machines, but they would still be sentient. They would think and act like human beings, why not treat them like humans? I don't think machines are just tools. I want complicated free thinking AI like John Henry, I want AI like Cortana and the Doctor (the medical hologram on Star Trek: Voyager) and the Superintendent and Sunny. Maybe it's just my curiosity, maybe it's just the way I think. I see things like that as something to look forward to, something wondrous and amazing that we can create and nurture. I guess it's partly because of power as well, I want to bring something into this world, to create something with a mind of its own. I don't want to make robots as slaves, I want to create a whole new species, a race of machines that can co-exist with mankind. I can't really explain why, but it's just something that I'm fascinated with, something I want to be a part of.axia777 said:
*slaps Jark1212* Read my posts, we're trying to teach John Henry morality without amending his code. We want him to learn it for himself, not have it programmed into him.Jark212 said:
I used I, Robot as an example in one of my posts. Comparing Sunny to the other NS-5's. The NS-5's had the three laws, they were limited, but Sunny didn't have to obey the three laws, they were more like guidelines for him. I used it to show that if we programmed the three laws into John Henry, he'd stop being John Henry, stop being Skynet, and start being just another terminator.Helnurath said:
... Or maybe it would rationalize them away? Asimov's Daneel basically changes the Three Laws completely by creating a Zeroth Law, after all.Eipok Kruden said:
