Team Fortress 2 F2P Ban mod WTH?

[Flames66]

What game are we talking about here?

 

[JohnReaper]

What game are we talking about here?

It started out talking about the TF2 mod that banned F2P accounts out right then it kind of evolved into is it right to attack another player/playerbase of a game based on f2p and if the company has an obligation to all players to try and make an enjoyable experince if there is a constant problem (blacklisting players multiple times, Attacking players because of who they associate with, and if one's f2p or not)

I would start another thread, since this one now has two or three topics inside it, but I'm not sure where to put it or if I should,

I know this post was way off topic but I was answering flames question,

 

[Echo136]

I just found out about this and quite honestly I'm shocked it was even possible to be done. but this is old news, it exists and we have to deal with it's existence as mindbogglingly as it is, here's my question though. Is it right to have a mod with this intent, in ANY game. if you have a hard time trying to understand what I'm asking picture this. You heard of this mega awesome supergame, it's been out for years, and F2P has always been a part of it (Not a very big part, like say a week trial) and then suddenly say F2P players have unlimited access (With restrictions ofcourse). These players find them selves being hunted down in this game and killed, then their char name added to a list of players that if any one parties with them, causes the party to be attacked.

Is it right for the playerbase to lash out on it self? was it just an overreaction? or am I rambling to my self and get warned for this post? Who knows

This is nothing new. Back when hats were still new, there was a lot of people cheating idling on servers using mods to do it to get em. In retaliation Valve gave a free halo hat to anyone that didnt use this mod. And then, in retaliation to this people would put up a mod to ban anyone wearing the halo on their server.

 

[Yopaz]

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What your friend experienced is not problems because of a mod, but problems with people being assholes. Her guild blacklisted her, not the mod.

When did I say the Mod blacklisted her? my point in this example was the fact that her guild forced her to change her char's name not once, not twice but five times. She's a paying customer to Blizzard and as such doesn't she deserve to enjoy the product that blizzard provides? after the second name change she should have be able to ask blizzard for a server change or something to be done (A free name change with no way of finding her old name). I get people are assholes and people try to ruin other people's experience, my question is though when does it step over the line of nothing we can do and cause reaction from the company?

Edit: F2pers are not a collective mind like the borg, each person is a person P2P or F2P I understand banning hackers, greifers, etc. and f2p accounts can be abused to do this, doesn't make every f2p account everywhere an alt to cheat with, and last I checked Vac IP bans for cheating. So saying cheaters can easily make a new account after their current one is banned holds less weight

How does being a paying customer for Blizzard and Valve relate to each other? Did you also miss the part where I said servers cost money to maintain?

Let's say you have a neighbour without a wireless internet connection do you think it would be fair if your internet supplier forced you to remove all security so your neighbour could get free use of your internet connection because he was getting bullied because he lacks one? I ask because your logics state that even though you're paying for something that doesn't mean you should have the right to decide how to use it.
If Valve were to remove the rights from their supporters that would alienate every server owner and possibly cause servers to shut down in protest because Valve violates their rights. If there were only Valve run servers that would cause a shortage in servers and it would damage all of Steam's network in order to supply enough bandwidth to cover the loss of third party servers.
Valve as a private company does not have the right to remove private rights from people. Doing that would be a violation of business law. Just like Valve can't force you to buy games they can't force you to have open servers.

Your friend is being cyber bullied and really, it's a tragedy, but it's just because of the mod. People are assholes and frankly she could have been bullied even without the mod that's how people work. You can check yourself who bought the game when that was possible and who didn't, I even got a friend that is congratulated by Valve for being a beta tester. If I want to bully someone who didn't pay for the game it takes me 2 seconds to look it up regardless of a mod. Are you suggesting Valve should retract their thanks from the early buyers?

 

[Exile714]

Well it's up to the servers owners who plays on them, and if they don't want some group of people on their servers then that group has to live with it.

A discussion about the moral implications of an action is separate from a discussion over whether it is legal.

I am within my legal rights to go around verbally bashing children with cancer for being bald. You stating that I am within my rights to do so has nothing to do with a discussion concerning whether it is right or wrong.

 

[Exile714]

You own the server, you're free to restrict who plays on it however you want. You can even ban jews, blacks and homosexuals if you want. Chances are they wouldn't want to anyway.

Actually, banning someone for their race, religion, national origin etc. is illegal in the United States. Yes, that applies to PRIVATE SERVERS just as it applies to private businesses and private home sales/rentals.

Homosexuals have no such protections (yet).

The reason you don't see people suing over this kind of discrimination is not because it is legal, but because it is both rare and highly cost ineffective to do so.

 

[RanD00M]

Well it's up to the servers owners who plays on them, and if they don't want some group of people on their servers then that group has to live with it.

A discussion about the moral implications of an action is separate from a discussion over whether it is legal.

I am within my legal rights to go around verbally bashing children with cancer for being bald. You stating that I am within my rights to do so has nothing to do with a discussion concerning whether it is right or wrong.

I think you're taking this far too fucking seriously, we'er just talking about an above average online shooter here.
And it doesn't matter how you try to put it, it is still within the servers owner/s right to ban whomever they want from it.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

Come on guys, without the F2P players who would we shoot?

 

[Space Spoons]

I don't mind most F2P players. Some of them don't really know what they're doing (they can't seem to grasp the TEAM in TF2, for example), but they're at least willing to listen to players who have been in the game longer, and usually make a genuine effort to get better.

Other players aren't as charitable. That's their prerogative. If you don't like it, there's plenty of other servers to play on.

 

[Exile714]

Well it's up to the servers owners who plays on them, and if they don't want some group of people on their servers then that group has to live with it.

A discussion about the moral implications of an action is separate from a discussion over whether it is legal.

I am within my legal rights to go around verbally bashing children with cancer for being bald. You stating that I am within my rights to do so has nothing to do with a discussion concerning whether it is right or wrong.

I think you're taking this far too fucking seriously, we'er just talking about an above average online shooter here.
And it doesn't matter how you try to put it, it is still within the servers owner/s right to ban whomever they want from it.

I'm not taking this seriously at all. In fact, the actual discussion doesn't interest me. What does interest me is that people seem to think that something is "right" or "acceptable" simply because it is "legal" or "within their rights." But I guess some people just don't get the distinction.

 

[RanD00M]

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Right and wrong, acceptable and unacceptable are both subjective so your point is fairly moot.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Servers are private. You can whine all you want but in the end, it's the server owners choice. If you disagree with that particular persons decision then you're free to start your own server or just choose another one.

 

[cpnichol]

To me it was an over-reaction to an expected influx of F2P hackers and griefers that never actually materialised, at least on our servers anyway. Either that or elitist pricks who didn't want the noobs ruining their game and you're better off not playing on those kind of servers anyway.

There's plenty of servers out there that welcome new players, so I wouldn't worry about it

 

[Mrmac23]

It's interesting, isn't it? A new group is introduced to something, and some take steps to segregate the groups, holding an unexplained, irrational hatred for all of that group. The name of the group is used as a derogotary term, and people go out of their way to specifically target members of that grou-*bonks you on the head with a large burning cross*IS THIS SOUNDING FAMILIAR YET?

 

[kane.malakos]

It's stupid. People say that F2P players are annoying. Then mute or kick them, then ban them if they keep it up. People say that F2P players are incompetent. Then let them know how they can play better. People complain that they paid money for it when other people got it for free. Did you miss the part where the game has been out for four years? Unless you bought the game a few days before it became free-to-play you really shouldn't be complaining.

 

[Aizsaule]

You seem unaware of the past debacles over Halos, Unusuals and every other difference...

Please refer to http://www.prisonexp.org/ for reasons why people act like assholes when divided.

Thanks for linking that, that was very interesting.

 

[The Lunatic]

I rather agree with it. Honestly, are you telling me there's people who've played TF2 for long enough to find a server that restricts free players, without spending a few pennies on the game?

Honestly, the cheapest item is like, a couple of pennies, buying it removes all the ingame restrictions and server restrictions.

The only people who'd really be affected by this, would be that one guy with an IP changer who keeps joining and trolling.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

You seem unaware of the past debacles over Halos, Unusuals and every other difference...

Please refer to http://www.prisonexp.org/ for reasons why people act like assholes when divided.

Thanks for linking that, that was very interesting.

No problem citizen. Root AWAY!

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