The use of memory to talk about hard drive space has always irked me. It's storage, you store things, not remember them. It's even worse when people think 8GB of memory is bad.
Look all I'm saying is that while I agree with you that hacking in and of itself is not terrorism, when it's used for malicious purposes such as those carried out by lulzsec and others, it can be.Actual said:I dunno, I'm terrified of nuclear war and spiders, not having to cancel my credit cards and make insurance claims. Just can't work up any fear of hackers. Especially ones like lulzsec who just want to have a laugh at everyone's expense, yeah it's malicious, but it's not dangerous.canadamus_prime said:You are right, hacking is not terrorism in and of itself. However considering that the root word in 'terrorism' is 'terror' and when groups like lulzsec go around stealing people's personal information and shit, that's pretty damn terrifying and I wouldn't stop short of calling them terrorists.Actual said:Terrorism.
Hacking is not terrorism, it's not even a little scary. Our governments and media have started using terrorism to describe any activity which they don't like and want to be able to ignore civil rights laws in order to prosecute.
This coming from younger or older folks? I would expect older, because as I remember learning it growing up, the term "memory" is equally applicable to both RAM (primary memory) and storage capacity (secondary memory). This usage was fairly common, way back when.I.N.producer said:The use of memory to talk about hard drive space has always irked me. It's storage, you store things, not remember them. It's even worse when people think 8GB of memory is bad.
Oh, and this too. /thumbsupMidgeamoo said:Theory - the scientific explanation of how a phenomena works or how we understand it (this obviously isn't a text book definition, I'm just shortening it). E.g. the theory of gravity explains the laws of gravity and how it works, it doesn't mean you can choose to believe it or not.
You cant say things are "ONLY A THEORY", any scientific field has theories, and the majority of them are accepted as facts.
Armed robbery of a corner store is a lot more terrifying than lulzsec stealing personal details and crashing networks. We don't accuse the burglars of terrorism and use that to get easier and more severe convictions.canadamus_prime said:Look all I'm saying is that while I agree with you that hacking in and of itself is not terrorism, when it's used for malicious purposes such as those carried out by lulzsec and others, it can be.Actual said:I dunno, I'm terrified of nuclear war and spiders, not having to cancel my credit cards and make insurance claims. Just can't work up any fear of hackers. Especially ones like lulzsec who just want to have a laugh at everyone's expense, yeah it's malicious, but it's not dangerous.canadamus_prime said:You are right, hacking is not terrorism in and of itself. However considering that the root word in 'terrorism' is 'terror' and when groups like lulzsec go around stealing people's personal information and shit, that's pretty damn terrifying and I wouldn't stop short of calling them terrorists.Actual said:Terrorism.
Hacking is not terrorism, it's not even a little scary. Our governments and media have started using terrorism to describe any activity which they don't like and want to be able to ignore civil rights laws in order to prosecute.
First point, yes, that infuriates me no end. A theory is the highest level of certainty we have. It's recognising that we have been wrong about similar things before, showing a willingness to change if necessary.Midgeamoo said:Theory - the scientific explanation of how a phenomena works or how we understand it (this obviously isn't a text book definition, I'm just shortening it). E.g. the theory of gravity explains the laws of gravity and how it works, it doesn't mean you can choose to believe it or not.
You cant say things are "ONLY A THEORY", any scientific field has theories, and the majority of them are accepted as facts.
European as a blanket term for non american too, France is as different from Britain as the USA is, just because we're in the same continent/group doesn't mean we have more in common.
This, 100% this.Archedgar said:The word "Troll".
Used commonly on the internet as a catch-all by people who don't know even remotely know what the word means. I'll never understand why such retards enjoy misusing internet terminology...
To be fair getting proper information on the concept of classes is trickier than you'd think (not that a programmer isn't supposed to know it anyways), especially if all you've been exposed to is some random self-taught C++ veteran's tutorial where classes are just used as fancy looking structs and the main purpose of inheritance is to be able to be lazy without copy/pasting. And even in C++ books where the author do get the Aristotelian approach somewhat right it's riddled with poor examples and justification for using classes, especially with regards to inheritance (like the dot extends circle example). This one the reasons I get a little annoyed when I see people recommending people to start learning to program by starting with C++. Not so much because of the language itself, but because the literature on it handles more "modern" concepts badly.Agayek said:This is so very, very true. I got out of school with my CS degree 2 years ago and got a job writing apps for Android phones. That's all well and good, but part of my job is to train other people in how to do the same.Sparcrypt said:Snip
There are some people who just astound me that they've been able to keep their job. One of my earliest students was a guy who claimed to be a 30 year programmer but couldn't understand how/why to declare a variable or the basic concept of a class. It astounds me how many completely incompetent idiots are out there.
Yea, it didn't make any sense to me either.Fleshy said:To be fair getting proper information on the concept of classes is trickier than you'd think (not that a programmer isn't supposed to know it anyways), especially if all you've been exposed to is some random self-taught C++ veteran's tutorial where classes are just used as fancy looking structs and the main purpose of inheritance is to be able to be lazy without copy/pasting. And even in C++ books where the author do get the Aristotelian approach somewhat right it's riddled with poor examples and justification for using classes, especially with regards to inheritance (like the dot extends circle example). This one the reasons I get a little annoyed when I see people recommending people to start learning to program by starting with C++. Not so much because of the language itself, but because the literature on it handles more "modern" concepts badly.
I just don't see how you'd not have had to set up variable at some point in half a life of programming, though? Exclusively by working javascript or the like? Could kind of explain the not understanding classes thing too, though..
Know the part I love? They say your getting 500GB, and then hide the lovely fact you pointed out behind fine print, possibly for the sole reason of mixing everyone's terms up when it comes to Gb and GB.evilneko said:This coming from younger or older folks? I would expect older, because as I remember learning it growing up, the term "memory" is equally applicable to both RAM (primary memory) and storage capacity (secondary memory). This usage was fairly common, way back when.I.N.producer said:The use of memory to talk about hard drive space has always irked me. It's storage, you store things, not remember them. It's even worse when people think 8GB of memory is bad.
I would agree though that it can be confusing, which is probably why that usage has been deprecated.
Anyway, on a related note, you know what annoys me? The way hard drive manufacturers get to abuse Mega/Gigabytes.
When you buy a 4 Gigabyte stick of RAM, you're getting 4 Gigabytes. 4,294,967,296 bytes.
Go buy a hard drive, however, and you're not getting (for example) 500 Gigabytes. You're getting 500,000,000,000 bytes. That's roughly 465.7 Gigabytes.