Teenager attacked by a woman for flying a "drone" over a beach; called a "pervert"

[Nokturos]

You have no legal right to demand someone not film you when you are in a public place. I'm surprised the police even took her call seriously, given that she is reporting something that isn't actually illegal. The fact that she assaulted a minor while waiting for the cops is hilariously stupid, and the fact that she did so knowing he was holding a camera just makes even more brilliant. I hope that retarded ***** regrets her idiocy for the rest of her life.

 

[Headsprouter]

That drone was hardly a subtle pervert's "weapon". People are saying 50 feet in the air. If you see what he was filming he might as well be looking at a beach from a plane. If you wanted decent pics you'd have to hover, which is visibly suspicious and zoom in, which at that distance and considering how much those things like to drift is going to get you some pretty blurry photos for the spank bank.

If that crazy woman is going to attack someone, she might as well wage war on Google maps vans.

 

[Lightknight]

You have no legal right to demand someone not film you when you are in a public place. I'm surprised the police even took her call seriously, given that she is reporting something that isn't actually illegal. The fact that she assaulted a minor while waiting for the cops is hilariously stupid, and the fact that she did so knowing he was holding a camera just makes even more brilliant. I hope that retarded ***** regrets her idiocy for the rest of her life.

She called repeatedly. I'd show up if only to issue a citation for spamming the police number.

 

[Signa]

This sounds exactly like what happened here:

Some people just freak out at the sight of a camera, and then they take it to extreme levels.

 

[mistahzig1]

You have no legal right to demand someone not film you when you are in a public place. I'm surprised the police even took her call seriously, given that she is reporting something that isn't actually illegal. The fact that she assaulted a minor while waiting for the cops is hilariously stupid, and the fact that she did so knowing he was holding a camera just makes even more brilliant. I hope that retarded ***** regrets her idiocy for the rest of her life.

It is when the teenager called to report an assault that he cops responded

 

[Signa]

hilarious that she has the nerve to call him a pervert while shes tearing his shirt off, grabbing at his chest and sticking her fingers in his mouth

Wait, I didn't read the article, did that actually happen? As I understand it, unwillful penetration of any orifice with any object constitutes rape. Granted, that includes Wet-Willys, which is why the law is kinda poorly worded, but fingers in the mouth should put HER on the pervert list.

 

[Drizzitdude]

Well I am glad that kid was smart and recorded the whole thing. She apparently even tried to convince the police that he attacked her. I hope this woman gets what she deserves and would gladly throw some money towards his crowdfunder to bring charges against this woman.

UPDATE: Evidently he has decided to not go through with suing her, and is refunding donations

https://www.facebook.com/groups/284203045091864/

 

[Yopaz]

Edit2: Jesus, hoe hard is it to take a hint?! I don't want to discuss this any more why is it that people are unable to understand that? I edited my post trying to make that clear as crystal, but still!

 

[Genocidicles]

So it seems people are all set to defend this kid since he wasn't breaking any laws for filing her. However if she made it clear what she thought about this then him not stopping could just as well pass for harassment.

Kid sounds like a dick, she sounds like a dick. Let the dicks fight each other and not stick up for either side.

What she did was tantamount to attacking him for using his phone, on the off chance he might have been taking photos... And then the police showed up, she claimed she was the one who was attacked.

The kid may have possibly been acting a tad obnoxious, but she was acting like an utter ****.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

That's a very smart kid. If he hadn't recorded the struggle the cops would have hauled him away instead. Also, he kept his cool and didn't actually fight back. In his position and at that age, I'd have gone apeshit on that lady and would have been the one arrested.

I hope she gets the full year of jail time.

 

[mistahzig1]

So it seems people are all set to defend this kid since he wasn't breaking any laws for filing her. However if she made it clear what she thought about this then him not stopping could just as well pass for harassment.

Kid sounds like a dick, she sounds like a dick. Let the dicks fight each other and not stick up for either side.

1) She was accusing him of filming womEn in bikinis; not just her

2) Who cares about PERCEPTION?

3) Yeah, let's forget that an adult assaulted a minor...

 

[Majinash]

So it seems people are all set to defend this kid since he wasn't breaking any laws for filing her. However if she made it clear what she thought about this then him not stopping could just as well pass for harassment.

Kid sounds like a dick, she sounds like a dick. Let the dicks fight each other and not stick up for either side.

Wait wait wait. So you made up an impossible scenario (Woman told him to stop filming her and he didn't) and then decided the kid was a dick based on that happening?

He obviously wasn't continuing because his drone wasn't in the air when she attacked him. It looks like he was trying to put it away (you can see her holding onto a part of it, I can't tell exactly what maybe a battery pack). The only reason he didn't seem to be gone already was because she wouldn't let him move the drone part. He even says "that doesn't belong to you". But she WANTS him to stay where he is while the police get there. She won't let him simply agree to stop and leave. The kids choices are A: do what he did or B: Abandon his drone and equipment on the beach to be destroyed or stolen.

Also, how does that constitute harassment? What he was doing had NOTHING to do with her. The drone was covering a LARGE area to film. If you were flying a kite 1000 feet from where she was and didn't stop when asked is that harassment? The idea that someone doing something you don't like in a public place when you've asked them to stop is harassment is pretty farfetched.

What exactly did the kid do to sound like a dick? Play with a toy on the beach? You obviously didn't read the article, or even the full topic because he WASN'T filming her.

I honestly don't know how anyone could make the leap to the kid being a dick.

 

[Vareoth]

What a psychotic *****. Thankfully her name is out in the open. Sucks that he won't sue her in the end though. It would have been an open and shut case.

Bleh, shouldn't read these things. This only makes me angry and unreasonable.

 

[Lightknight]

So it seems people are all set to defend this kid since he wasn't breaking any laws for filing her. However if she made it clear what she thought about this then him not stopping could just as well pass for harassment.

Kid sounds like a dick, she sounds like a dick. Let the dicks fight each other and not stick up for either side.

1) She was accusing him of filming womEn in bikinis; not just her

2) Who cares about PERCEPTION?

3) Yeah, let's forget that an adult assaulted a minor...

Just to reinforce your point on 2 in response to Yopaz. This isn't harassment. It isn't her right not to be filmed on a public beach. You don't just get to bully people around because you have a problem with something they're doing that isn't illegal.

As for 3. Exactly. She attacked this kid. Line, crossed. Only one person broke the law here and it was this rabid woman. Hopefully she'll be leashed and rehabilitated.

As for 1, this is a very important point. He could be filming women in bikinis. It isn't illegal. His video could have been nothing but scoped video of T&A and it isn't something this woman can demand he stop doing.

 

[Callate]

On one hand, I think it's reasonable to ask (ASK!) not to be filmed.

On the other hand, a drone flying 50 ft above the ground is a pretty obvious method of filming. If someone actually wanted to record something the person recorded would object to, a drone or an obvious hand-held video camera wouldn't be the tool of choice; the cell phone, on which someone could be playing a game or texting while recording covertly, is. But cell phones have become so ubiquitous that few people consider that a person playing a game in line or with the top of their phone sticking out of their breast pocket could be a potential voyeur.

It's more than a little sad that the teenager in this case had to have such a record to assure his own safety and lack of guilt; by attacking him, the woman effectively made a case against what she decided it was worth getting violent over, suggesting that we'd be well to have recordings on hand of encounters where others might later accuse us of being in the wrong.

Privacy may be too much to ask in public these days, but it makes it all the more important that people show each other a level or respect, courtesy, and consideration.

 

[Yopaz]

So it seems people are all set to defend this kid since he wasn't breaking any laws for filing her. However if she made it clear what she thought about this then him not stopping could just as well pass for harassment.

Kid sounds like a dick, she sounds like a dick. Let the dicks fight each other and not stick up for either side.

1) She was accusing him of filming womEn in bikinis; not just her

2) Who cares about PERCEPTION?

3) Yeah, let's forget that an adult assaulted a minor...

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Did I defend what she did? Did I say I approve? I am fairly certain I said I don't side with either of them. Fairly certain I said I disliked both of them. How does that make it look like I am defending her? Explain how you reached that conclusion because I am baffled by this conclusion of yours.

So it seems people are all set to defend this kid since he wasn't breaking any laws for filing her. However if she made it clear what she thought about this then him not stopping could just as well pass for harassment.

Kid sounds like a dick, she sounds like a dick. Let the dicks fight each other and not stick up for either side.

Wait wait wait. So you made up an impossible scenario (Woman told him to stop filming her and he didn't) and then decided the kid was a dick based on that happening?

He obviously wasn't continuing because his drone wasn't in the air when she attacked him. It looks like he was trying to put it away (you can see her holding onto a part of it, I can't tell exactly what maybe a battery pack). The only reason he didn't seem to be gone already was because she wouldn't let him move the drone part. He even says "that doesn't belong to you". But she WANTS him to stay where he is while the police get there. She won't let him simply agree to stop and leave. The kids choices are A: do what he did or B: Abandon his drone and equipment on the beach to be destroyed or stolen.

Also, how does that constitute harassment? What he was doing had NOTHING to do with her. The drone was covering a LARGE area to film. If you were flying a kite 1000 feet from where she was and didn't stop when asked is that harassment? The idea that someone doing something you don't like in a public place when you've asked them to stop is harassment is pretty farfetched.

What exactly did the kid do to sound like a dick? Play with a toy on the beach? You obviously didn't read the article, or even the full topic because he WASN'T filming her.

I honestly don't know how anyone could make the leap to the kid being a dick.

He wasn't filming. Well that's strange. If he wasn't filming how come he filmed the assault?

Also this goes for you too. How did you reach the conclusion that I was defending what she did? I said I am not picking sides because both of these people strike me as rather unpleasant. Seriously, why can't you understand the fact that there are opinions other than extreme this or extreme that? There are nuances and I am not picking a side? Do you understand the concept? More colours than black and white?

So it seems people are all set to defend this kid since he wasn't breaking any laws for filing her. However if she made it clear what she thought about this then him not stopping could just as well pass for harassment.

Kid sounds like a dick, she sounds like a dick. Let the dicks fight each other and not stick up for either side.

What she did was tantamount to attacking him for using his phone, on the off chance he might have been taking photos... And then the police showed up, she claimed she was the one who was attacked.

The kid may have possibly been acting a tad obnoxious, but she was acting like an utter ****.

Seriously, did I defend her? Really? Why is it that I can't have a nuanced opinion without getting called out for it? I don't deal simply with monochrome. If you ever get to the point where you can move past dealing with extremes I would love to take this discussion.

 

[EvilRoy]

However if she made it clear what she thought about this then him not stopping could just as well pass for harassment.

I actually went ahead and researched this as a point of curiosity, and it looks like that wouldn't actually work as a charge. In order for something to count as harassment, you need to do it to a person or group specifically, repeatedly, intentionally with your actions not serving some legitimate goal or purpose.

The distinction on that last one, I think, is the idea that those high pitched bleeping things they attach to doors in some places are annoying (duh), targeted at a group (mallgoers), repeated (every time the door is opened), intentionally annoying (that's how they work), BUT they serve purpose outside the annoyance of humans (scare away pigeons). So even though those beepers fulfill almost all of the criteria, they don't count as harassment because they provide a legitimate and intentional service to the mall and mallgoers.

So although the 'beachgoers' could be considered a group, we would need some sort of proof that the boy had flown his drone with the purpose of being intentionally annoying and for no other reason multiple times before it actually counts as harassment. Even if we construed continuing his actions despite requests to the contrary in the same day/hour as 'multiple', his landscape filming and the lack of other noted complaints from the group 'beachgoers' implies that not only did he have a legitimate purpose outside of being annoying, but he wasn't being all that annoying.

An extra note here - it seems that if you are suspected of attempting to harass a group, then most of-or a recognized spokesperson for-the group needs to complain about it. One person can't name them self spokesperson unilaterally and make demands or claim harassment on behalf of a group with their prior OK. This is interesting because while you could accuse this kid of repeated annoyance of the group of beachgoers pretty easily (he was in the area many days in a row doing stuff), it wouldn't work that way for an individual person. You would need proof that the person was attempting to target you specifically, while the automatic defense to that is "I come to this beach to film scenery even when that person isn't here" or for the more overt pervert "I film topless women here whether or not she shows up".

 

[Lightknight]

On one hand, I think it's reasonable to ask (ASK!) not to be filmed.

Sure, and then it's entirely up to the individual and in no way harassment for the individual to continue.

 

[The Lunatic]

Can you imagine if the genders were reversed in this situation.

Geez. Very different reaction.

 

[Childe]

Since it was a public space he had every right to fly the drone as long as he wasn't being a danger to others right? As far as I know she had no right to try and force him to stop and absolutely no right to go hitting him. The only reason that she would have a legit reason to force him to stop is if she had definitive proof that he was flying the drone for the express purpose of taking perverted shots. That he claims he will be putting whatever money he gets towards a non-profit charity earns him points in my book.