ms_sunlight said:
Richardplex said:
Read my other post. Panty shots are so prevalent that it's not really seen sexually anymore. Hence, the girls are moe (girls that are cute, as in adorable) rather than loli.
Oh really. Not sexual any more? So you're honestly claiming that panty shots in media such as games and anime are
not fanservice and are
not there to titillate?
Qitz said:
Eh, the Elin are some 400 years old so who gives a shit
So, they fall under the category TVTropes calls Legal Jail Bait [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LegalJailBait] eh?
Still creepy, people. Still very, very creepy!
Seriously, just because it's a toon don't kid yourself you're not being a bit of a paedo.
I'm not going to blanket statement and say no - your right there is tons of fanservice there to titillate people who have a thing for panties. But there is a lot of media where panty shots aren't for titilation - take the Unwanted Harem genre/subgenre/trope for example. I wish people would grow up and just accept there are panties and move on. Take Amy Rose for example in sonic. She wears a dress/skirt, and she's doing acrobatics, so of course you can see her panties, despite her being 12. I didn't think she'd have to wear trousers because panties are such embarrassing things. Like I said, being up in arms because of panty shots restricts art design, and to hold back art styles and design because we're so offended by panties is more immature than having panty shots in the first place. Maybe one day we'll accept that people *do* watch porn, they *do* masturbate, both men and women, and girls *do* wear panties. Maybe then we can move on with our lives like adults.
As regards to "Seriously, just because it's a toon don't kid yourself you're not being a bit of a paedo" - depends what you mean. If you mean your sexually aroused by loli, yeah, you are, but there is no victim in lolicon. In fact, it's a good thing (god I didn't want to get into this, but whatever). Paedophiles can work through their urges, having none of it pent up, safely with no victim. As opposed to paedophiles who don't, and have to live their lives having to suppress something they can't control (because, you know, it's a mental problem not a life choice) or if they can't suppress it, well, there are victims. There have been many cases of paedophiles switching from child pornography to lolicon/shotacon because they are so horrified at the things the children go through. So yeah, people would be being paedophilic, but they are working through their problem without there being victims.
I'm going to assume you meant that comment purely for sexual reasons. Because like I said, unwanted harem, and that tvtropes link you gave has the quote from Evangeline, who regular exposes her panties becauses she's genre-savvy about lolicons, and plays to it. Done well, as it is, it can be highly amusing, which it is.