Tera vs. Guild Wars 2

[jehk]

Well, as the point at which "fan service" crosses the line into "sleaze" is 100% subjective, calling my OPINION on where that line is "irrational and uninformed" is, in actuality, a personal attack. You're welcome to continue doing so if that sort of thing floats your boat, but you should probably take it to private messages, yeah?

Fanservice and porn have different definitions that refer to different things. Equating the two is irrational.

It's like saying visiting a water park is the same as watching porn. There more porn on display in the window of a Victoria's Secret. I totally understand if you don't like fanservice. I get that and cannot blame you at all.

Also, just because I'm attacking your argument doesn't mean I'm attacking you. Your conclusion that Tera = Pron is nonsense.

 

[Aeshi]

I know next to nothing about both but I'd be inclined to pick Tera because it supposedly has better combat and combat is what you'll be doing 75% of the time (and 24% of what isn't combat will be heading to/from combat)

 

[jehk]

I know next to nothing about both but I'd be inclined to pick Tera because it supposedly has better combat and combat is what you'll be doing 75% of the time (and 24% of what isn't combat will be heading to/from combat)

I hear the combat is GW2 is pretty good as well. Haven't tried it myself yet. Combine that with all the other cool features and I can understand the appeal.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Fanservice and porn have different definitions that refer to different things. Equating the two is irrational.

It's like saying visiting a water park is the same as watching porn. I totally understand if you don't like fanservice. I get that and cannot blame you at all.

Also, just because I'm attacking your argument doesn't mean I'm attacking you. Your conclusion that Tera = Pron is nonsense.

I never offered a dissertation on Tera that offered the conclusion "Tera = Pron". That is a straw man.

I offered up an analogy comparing Tera to a back alley smut store, which was a metaphor. Certainly you understand that metaphors are intended to be figurative, not literal, and frequently employ exaggeration.

And as discussed with poiumty, it's not as simple as "I don't like fan service". If I had an issue with fan service as a concept, I'd need to abandon 75% of the industry. There are many fine degrees for this sort of thing, and there is a point at which it crosses the line from "sexy to silly", and a point at which it crosses the line from "silly to gross". Where that line falls is entirely subjective. We have established that for you, Tera is at worst silly. For me, it's gross. And not "gross" in the "my moral sensitivity has been outraged, censors ho" sense. Gross in the "Oh GOD why would anyone like this juvenile crap?" sense.

I understand that this is a strong position to take, and perhaps you feel you are attempting to argue me back to a position of neutrality. Or perhaps you feel that by impugning a game you enjoy, I am impugning you by association. I entreat you not to fuss. I'm not picking on Tera because it's keeping me up at nights, or because I think the people playing it are next year's sex offenders. I'm picking on it because it AMUSES ME to make fun of it, and because its ludicrous marketing campaign and loli/furry overtones make it such low hanging fruit. And maybe it's lazy to pick the low hanging fruit, but I never claimed to be industrious.

 

[jehk]

I never offered a dissertation on Tera that offered the conclusion "Tera = Pron". That is a straw man.

You compared the contents of Tera to the contents of a pron store. You admit as much in the next sentence. That is what I'm attacking. That comparison. Nothing else.

I offered up an analogy comparing Tera to a back alley smut store, which was a metaphor.

Then its a crappy analogy because...

I offered up an analogy comparing Tera to a back alley smut store, which was a metaphor. Certainly you understand that metaphors are intended to be figurative, not literal, and frequently employ exaggeration.

...the amount exaggeration is what makes it bad. Do you understand it now? It's called over-exaggeration and that's what I take issue with.

And as discussed with poiumty, it's not as simple as "I don't like fan service". If I had an issue with fan service as a concept, I'd need to abandon 75% of the industry. There are many fine degrees for this sort of thing, and there is a point at which it crosses the line from "sexy to silly", and a point at which it crosses the line from "silly to gross". Where that line falls is entirely subjective. We have established that for you, Tera is at worst silly. For me, it's gross. And not "gross" in the "my moral sensitivity has been outraged, censors ho" sense. Gross in the "Oh GOD why would anyone like this juvenile crap?" sense.

Good for you. I don't care what you do and don't like.

I understand that this is a strong position to take, and perhaps you feel you are attempting to argue me back to a position of neutrality. Or perhaps you feel that by impugning a game you enjoy, I am impugning you by association. I entreat you not to fuss. I'm not picking on Tera because it's keeping me up at nights, or because I think the people playing it are next year's sex offenders. I'm picking on it because it AMUSES ME to make fun of it, and because its ludicrous marketing campaign and loli/furry overtones make it such low hanging fruit. And maybe it's lazy to pick the low hanging fruit, but I never claimed to be industrious.

And it amuses me to make fun of you. You make asinine statements about stuff you have little to no experience with.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

And it amuses me to make fun of you. You make asinine statements about stuff you have little to no experience with.

Whatever floats your boat, Walter. Have fun with Tera. There are games out there to suit everyone's proclivities!

 

[jehk]

Whatever floats your boat, Walter. Have fun with Tera. There are games out there to suit everyone's proclivities!

Thanks Bloated! I'll be doing the same thing next week to people who make wild irrational claims about Diablo 3 without having played it!

 

[Ympulse]

I know next to nothing about both but I'd be inclined to pick Tera because it supposedly has better combat and combat is what you'll be doing 75% of the time (and 24% of what isn't combat will be heading to/from combat)

I had a look at both games' combat systems in their respective betas. Tera is Lineage 2 with an aiming gimmick when it comes to combat, quite frankly. And the holy trinity is alive and well in both PvP and PvE. (I could go on about the holy trinity in PvP, but that's another topic altogether)

GW2 however, feels more like an action MMO like Vindictus, wherein you can "know" the best setup and rotation for your personal setup, but you also need to be aware of what your opponent is doing, else you're just going to fall flat on your face. And the PvP I experienced was some of the best gaming I've experienced outside of CS 1.6.

But when it comes down to it, you should have a look at both, and make your own decisions. Just remember the facts. Tera is sub-based, and therefore has mandatory timesinks. GW2 isn't sub-based, and doesn't have those timesinks.

 

[Tanakh]

I had a look at both games' combat systems in their respective betas. Tera is Lineage 2 with an aiming gimmick when it comes to combat, quite frankly. And the holy trinity is alive and well in both PvP and PvE. (I could go on about the holy trinity in PvP, but that's another topic altogether)

GW2 however, feels more like an action MMO like Vindictus, wherein you can "know" the best setup and rotation for your personal setup, but you also need to be aware of what your opponent is doing, else you're just going to fall flat on your face. And the PvP I experienced was some of the best gaming I've experienced outside of CS 1.6.

But when it comes down to it, you should have a look at both, and make your own decisions. Just remember the facts. Tera is sub-based, and therefore has mandatory timesinks. GW2 isn't sub-based, and doesn't have those timesinks.

Replace "doesn't have those timesinks" with "have less timesinks" and i am behind you 100%. Farming gold for having leet siege pops immediately to mind.

 

[Scow2]

Well, as the point at which "fan service" crosses the line into "sleaze" is 100% subjective, calling my OPINION on where that line is "irrational and uninformed" is, in actuality, a personal attack. You're welcome to continue doing so if that sort of thing floats your boat, but you should probably take it to private messages, yeah?

Fanservice and porn have different definitions that refer to different things. Equating the two is irrational.

It's like saying visiting a water park is the same as watching porn. There more porn on display in the window of a Victoria's Secret. I totally understand if you don't like fanservice. I get that and cannot blame you at all.

Also, just because I'm attacking your argument doesn't mean I'm attacking you. Your conclusion that Tera = Pron is nonsense.

His argument is actually more against the way the designs in Tera are evocative of iconic pornographic images, I think. Yes, I defend skimpy armors in video games, but that's because there's a particular fantasy I'm wishing for, that Tera DOES NOT attempt, and I think, ironically, is actually LESS pornographic (While no less sexual). And yes, the window of Victoria's Secret generally does have "Softcore porn" in it. However, a beach doesn't, because while there may be beautiful, scantily-clad women, their body language isn't particularly sexual.

Captcha: be my friend

Aww... it's getting lonely. And gaining sentience!

 

[snekadid]

KILL THE CAPTCHA WITH FIRE!

Walter, you seem to have taken this personally and that's the sign that you need to stop.
Your distorting bloated's meaning to make him sound like a fascist and while i consider him a troll in most threads that i see him in, this certainly takes an offense too far. Your intentionally derailing a thread in order to promote some sort of vendetta against another forum poster. Please take it to private messages if you feel the conversation needs to continue as at this point you are only making yourself look irrational and petty.

But when it comes down to it, you should have a look at both, and make your own decisions. Just remember the facts. Tera is sub-based, and therefore has mandatory timesinks. GW2 isn't sub-based, and doesn't have those timesinks.

Replace "doesn't have those timesinks" with "have less timesinks" and i am behind you 100%. Farming gold for having leet siege pops immediately to mind.

The main point in his post was "Mandatory timesinks", and siege pops aren't mandatory.

 

[Tanakh]

But when it comes down to it, you should have a look at both, and make your own decisions. Just remember the facts. Tera is sub-based, and therefore has mandatory timesinks. GW2 isn't sub-based, and doesn't have those timesinks.

Replace "doesn't have those timesinks" with "have less timesinks" and i am behind you 100%. Farming gold for having leet siege pops immediately to mind.

The main point in his post was "Mandatory timesinks", and siege pops aren't mandatory.

To do RvR? They kind of are, unless you either plan on not taking any enemy strongholds and just go there to smell the roses or the other team is totally retarded.

 

[Jaden Kazega]

But when it comes down to it, you should have a look at both, and make your own decisions. Just remember the facts. Tera is sub-based, and therefore has mandatory timesinks. GW2 isn't sub-based, and doesn't have those timesinks.

Replace "doesn't have those timesinks" with "have less timesinks" and i am behind you 100%. Farming gold for having leet siege pops immediately to mind.

The main point in his post was "Mandatory timesinks", and siege pops aren't mandatory.

To do RvR? They kind of are, unless you either plan on not taking any enemy strongholds and just go there to smell the roses or the other team is totally retarded.

Then... don't do WvW?
I'm sorry, but how is WvW mandatory? There's so much more in the game, as well, even PvP-wise. Assuming we're talking exclusively about PvP, there are several mini-games which have PvP in it, and there is even your normal 'structured' PvP which has the whole setup of '10 of team red take on 10 of team blue' for capture the flag, slayer, etc.

 

[Weaver]

I played the Tera beta and I quite enjoyed it. But I don't have the time to justify the subscription fee.

 

[9thRequiem]

I had a look at both games' combat systems in their respective betas. Tera is Lineage 2 with an aiming gimmick when it comes to combat, quite frankly. And the holy trinity is alive and well in both PvP and PvE. (I could go on about the holy trinity in PvP, but that's another topic altogether)

GW2 however, feels more like an action MMO like Vindictus, wherein you can "know" the best setup and rotation for your personal setup, but you also need to be aware of what your opponent is doing, else you're just going to fall flat on your face. And the PvP I experienced was some of the best gaming I've experienced outside of CS 1.6.

But when it comes down to it, you should have a look at both, and make your own decisions. Just remember the facts. Tera is sub-based, and therefore has mandatory timesinks. GW2 isn't sub-based, and doesn't have those timesinks.

Replace "doesn't have those timesinks" with "have less timesinks" and i am behind you 100%. Farming gold for having leet siege pops immediately to mind.

Siege weapons are incredibly cheap in terms of gold; even a low-level character can afford a blueprint pretty quickly, and for a high-level player, the cost is negligible - the main cost behind siege weapons is Supply, which depends more on how well you can fair against other players to hold camps.

Not to say there aren't goldsinks - respecing traits will, I think, be the most costly thing as you get higher in level and want to play around trying everything, certainly more then siege weaponry.

 

[Pebblig]

If you have ever played Guild Wars 1, Guild Wars 2 is so SO different. In Guild Wars one, the expansions were well worth the money as they were near equal in size to the original area/quests.

In Guild Wars 2, the area are so much vastly improved, the cities, outposts and instances feel so much more populated, with many more NPCs, the NPCs also feel more animated. The way that have set out the story works significantly better, in GW1 I didn't really read quests, but the way they've set it out it works significantly better and keeps you more interested. The combat feels less MMO-ish and more like an action-RPG, it flows significantly better. The ability to jump and dodge/roll makes the combat much more interactive, feeling less like it is purely hot-keys.

I said significantly so much xD

 

[Tanakh]

Then... don't do WvW?
I'm sorry, but how is WvW mandatory? There's so much more in the game, as well, even PvP-wise. Assuming we're talking exclusively about PvP, there are several mini-games which have PvP in it, and there is even your normal 'structured' PvP which has the whole setup of '10 of team red take on 10 of team blue' for capture the flag, slayer, etc.

Way to bend the language. You do realize by your definitions there is no mandatory timesinks in any MMO ever right? No mandatory timesinks to prepare for raids in EQ because you could always do some other PvE content, no mandatory timesinks to arena in WoW because you could do PvP tons of other places, no mandatory timesinks to grind for ISK in EVE because who needs money. And all i said is that to do RvR there are, nothing less or more; kind of annoying, but mhee, the ammount of gold grinding is reasonably low.

Siege weapons are incredibly cheap in terms of gold; even a low-level character can afford a blueprint pretty quickly, and for a high-level player, the cost is negligible - the main cost behind siege weapons is Supply, which depends more on how well you can fair against other players to hold camps.

Not to say there aren't goldsinks - respecing traits will, I think, be the most costly thing as you get higher in level and want to play around trying everything, certainly more then siege weaponry.

Till level 20 even one gold is not negligible. And if they are going to implement the coin aquissition rate of GW 1 i will guess that even at max levels it will take around 15-30mins to get 1 gold (depending on the player). I know that i am speculating, but i am basing that on actual facts of GW 1, what are you basing your speculations on?

That and RvR focused players were promised they could not do PvE but live only from and for RvR, with the current copper drop rates there that is simply not ture. I will also do other parts of the game, so i dont care, but a few people on the RvR forums were complaining about this.

 

[Spitfire]

Now, what's your opinion on them both? Which is better? Which have you played/are going to play?

Unfortunately, I didn't get to play the Guild Wars 2 beta, since I haven't pre-ordered it, which doesn't make any sense to me, because why would I pre-order an MMO if I don't get to play it first, but whatever. I have played Tera however, and while I don't enjoy badmouthing things, let's just say that I haven't even entertained the notion of playing this game for longer than I already have. Yes, the combat system is pretty good for an MMO, but that's not going to carry the whole game through, and the fact of the matter is that Tera has little else to offer. It's a completely generic "by the numbers" MMO, and apart from the combat, there is literally nothing that Tera does that other MMO's haven't done before, and better.

 

[MasterOfHisOwnDomain]

I have played Tera however, and while I don't enjoy badmouthing things, let's just say that I haven't even entertained the notion of playing this game for longer than I already have.

This is what I'm thinking - my friends have a-..., let's say "habit", of picking up games and dropping them (I tend to follow it though). We played Spiral Knights briefly, Forsaken World and I kind of believe Terra will be the same ... once the combat wears off. Whereas GW2 just seems a better experience in the long-run (which it had better be ... considering the bloody cost!).

Thanks for all the opinions guys. Slowly coming to some sort of judgement. But it's anyway just interesting to see people's verdict on the latest MMORPGs.