Terminator Genisys: Get the Pitchforks ready(spoilers)

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This will end about as well as the last Terminator movie

seriously, what the hell. So Sarah is now kicking ass with the help of the original terminator and now are trying to stop judgement day?

did the writer just decide to make this whole story a giant time mess of self indulgence?

I have no real attachment to the Terminator franchise but I think that this will end very badly

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Casual Shinji

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Man, despite that time displacement device being destroyed right after Kyle went through, it just keeps sending terminators back in time, doesn't it?

OT: Wow, Terminator: Fanfiction! Can't wait.

Seriously, they're just gonna go 'Yeah, that first movie didn't happen'? Fuck off.

And what's-her-name being all hoorah as Sarah feels extremely, I don't know... undeserved. And boring actors for both John Conner and Reese? I guess Asian Robert Patrick is at least worth a laugh.
 

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What?

Ok, at this stage, making a bad Terminator film is like making a bad AVP movie, so I...it's called "Genisys"? That wasn't a type in the thread title. Um...

Ok, the timeline being a bit messed up is vaguely interesting, I guess, otherwise, no.
 

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Things I have no faith in when it comes to this film:

1. The director. Alan Taylor has done some good solid TV work but his previous claim to fame on the big screen was Thor: The Dark World, which was a pretty paint by numbers superhero movie without much to distinguish it.

2. The actors. Jason Clarke has done some good work elsewhere in the past, but usually in a supporting capacity, and he is like our 750th John Connor so it's getting a little old. Emilia Clarke is a limited actress. EDIT: Waitaminute are these two related?

3. Schwarzenegger. While I think re-involving him is a good idea, they really needed to wait until they could have a realistically CGI young Arnold. Who cares if it looks a bit robotic? HE IS A ROBOT.

4. The tone of the film. They seem to be going for "madcap action spectacular", and I think that is the exact WRONG direction to go in. Perhaps they think the idea of a lone Terminator hunting a target is boring. I disagree. The original movie had a tension and darkness the subsequent films never came close to matching despite their huge budgets.

I think the idea of going back and messing with existing timelines is FINE. It is really the only potentially interesting unexplored territory to cover with this particular universe, as scenarios set post Judgement Day have been wearying at best.
 

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So they're basically combining the first two movies into one, because that's what it looks like. Well, I guess it saves them the trouble of rebooting two films.

The trailer looks like a clusterfuck. So you have Asian T-1000 after them, and what I guess looks to be Old Arnold vs. Young Arnold. I'm not sure what's going on there.
 

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Science fiction is supposed to be about examining complex questions. The Matrix asked 'What is reality?'. The (first two) Terminator movies asked 'Is the future preordained?'. The CGI Transformers movies asked 'Who keeps letting Michael Bay out of the ancient magic prison that's supposed to hold him forever?'. Of course, with the need to compensate for insane budgets by cutting down complex elements until they'll play absolutely anywhere to not jeopardize international sales (humor and complex character drama are hard to translate; everyone understands explosions and boobs), that model can't last.

Terminator 2 very distinctly answered the series' central question, but with that answered, there wouldn't be a third movie; so instead they opted to retcon it with a single throwaway line that all but hung a neon sign on itself saying "We're not even going to try justifying this". I kept expecting more details, but none came- and I still feel guilty about watching the rest of the movie after that line. I didn't bother with the fourth movie, and it looks like I won't be bothering with this one. A pity.
 

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Wait, I'm confused. Is this a reboot? Or is this supposed to be set in between the first and second film? If its not, didn't Sarah Conner die between the second and third film? This trailer made my head hurt, I have no idea what's going on.
 

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I've already briefly said what I thought on Movie Bob's newest EttM, but this film does just seem like a fanwank fanfiction that they've put to film. Yeah, it will probably be bad and probably will be trying to fix something that wasn't necessarily broken in the original work.

Still, it will be interesting to compare it to the original two films. Luckily I just like the first two, and this fanfiction being bad won't leave a scar like Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas and Halo 4 did on my adoration for the original work.

Catfood220 said:
Wait, I'm confused. Is this a reboot? Or is this supposed to be set in between the first and second film? If its not, didn't Sarah Conner die between the second and third film? This trailer made my head hurt, I have no idea what's going on.
Quick thought: Can this new reboot pre-emptively retcon the equivalent of the third film's canon? I would be cool with that.
 

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Weird thread. Why are you talking about Terminator movies? They came out decades ago. Pity they only made two. Also, why embed a YouTube link that doesn't show anything?
 

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Catfood220 said:
Wait, I'm confused. Is this a reboot? Or is this supposed to be set in between the first and second film? If its not, didn't Sarah Conner die between the second and third film? This trailer made my head hurt, I have no idea what's going on.
It's not a reboot.

Here's how Terminator (The Setting) works - Skynet gets made. No matter what. If we were talking Doctor Who, they'd call it a 'fixed point in time' (There was a series of books that were rendered non-canon by Terminator 3 where they found out Skynet hadn't just sent back a Terminator to kill the Conners, by several others who remained in infiltration mode, and basically assured Skynet got made by leaking the technology needed and manipulating events. These, in turn, were able to keep track of all Terminator activity, so every time Skynet is reborn, it knows Connor is the threat, and it knows how 'past' versions of itself failed to get the job done. Which is why it keeps sending back Terminators of different types to different times to try different things). However, Skynets defeat is also inevitable - Its happened 3 times that we know off (Every Terminator sent back to kill the Conners is sent as Skynet dies). That's the basic setting.

There's 3 factions present in the movies: Skynet, who want's to be born and win, 'Present' Conners who want to prevent Skynet from being born, and 'future' Conner who wants Skynet to be born, but to still win the war. And all 3 are vying for power by attempting to use knowledge of the future, and all 3 are stuck in a stable time loop, the broad strokes of the conflict always playing out the same, even as small things change.

The premise of this movie is that instead of trying to hit Conner later in life, adding to history in the process, it try's to go back even further (Which it shouldn't be able to do. 1984 is the earliest it can find Sarah Conner), and and in the process destroys all the history that led to this particular Skynet. Apparently, this destabilizes everything, and the universe gets split, and everything goes to shit. Where the other Terminators were about trying and failing to change the future, this one starts off with snapping the future, and the universe, in half.

The premise, to me, sounds a bit wonky, but its fits with the time travelling stuff going on. My problem with these new Terminators is that they missed the point of the first two entirely. While the setting provides fertile ground for a lot of Sci-Fi shenanigans, Terminator was at its best when it was a chase action thriller, and I don't like what they've done when they tried to get away from that. It's like creating a Romantic Comedy movie in the Warhammer 40K universe - Its completely plausible in the setting, but you're kind of missing the point.

Will probably still see it though. I'm a sucker.
 

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I think I'll just stay in my alternate reality where, at the end of Terminator 2, Judgement Day was averted and we all lived in blissful ignorance.

If there truly is no fate but what we make for ourselves, are we to blame for the unwelcome sequels?
 

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Yeah I was confuse at first and I kind of somewhat understand the setting now that I show it to mate (fan of the franchise). I think the setting take place inbetween 1 and 2. Actually no, that can't be right since the guy that got send to the past is Kyle Reese aka the guy who died in the first film.

Anyway of all of the three sequels so far (Star Wars: A Force Awakens and Jurrasic world), I am least interested in this film especially when I thought the film should had stayed as 1 and 2 only including no spin off!
 

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When I first heard about this movie I was kind of hoping they'd return to the kind of 'dirty' cyberpunk look of the original movies, but instead it looks like just another interchangeable slick summer blockbuster. More in line with the (cringeworthy) third film than the classics.

The original Terminator remains my favorite sci-fi movie of all time and I so much hoped some director might recapture its magic one day, but it doesn't look like Genisys will be it(the name alone is kind of ridiculous, already a bad sign). The only other Terminator film I really enjoyed was Salvation, it provided nothing new or original but it was just very entertaining.

The Terminator franchise has so much potential that its a shame its mostly relegated to hack writers and directors. If they recreated a Terminator film in the '80s style would be so awesome, but instead they just resort to their tried and true modern blockbuster template that makes every movie the same. Arnie deserves better! :p
 

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Really?

TBH I thought it looked awesome, "Let's have every important Terminator fight each other," sounds crazy enough to work.
 

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Hmm, I'm not getting the pitchfork out for this, its too overused this year. Looks like it could be a good action flick at least, a perfect way to spend a Friday night before heading out to the pub after wards.
 

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In a movie about time travel, and basically the ripple effect of changing events but certain events are like anchor points (Skynet always is made, judgment day happens, Skynet loses and sends back a Terminator to take out a Connor), there is literally no way to "mess up" the story because every time-travel is a fucking retcon anyway. So they could keep telling the same story 100 different ways and none of them will "kill" the idea because after T2 was released, all things went out the window.
Ripple effect: basically toss a rock in a river and you'll make some waves but you won't alter the course of the river much if at all. Even a big enough rock will eventually be pushed aside, through or the river will find its way around later.
 

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Looks too convoluted, like it's trying to mash Terimantor 1 and 2 in one new movie. Eh, I think I'll stick to the first 2 movies.
 

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This movie seems like it took one of the main ideas of the Terminator show and ran with it. Specifically the idea of sending people and machines back further in time to set things up for their respective sides. This idea while cool lead to some messy story elements in the show and a whole move set around it will likely be a huge mess as well.

edit: One other issue i have is the woman playing Sarah looks and sounds like she is 15 years old wtf?
 

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I kinda lost faith in the film immediately after I saw the terrible looking CGI. So pretty quickly.

EXAMPLES!
The flying VTOL things
The big robot
The "naked" T-800 skeleton
The T-1000!
Young Arnold T-800 that looks like it came from a wax museum


HONORABLE MENTION!
That scar looks pretty piss poor too

TL;DR It looks like poo!