**Terror in Oslo** UPDATE: Anders Breivik gets 8 weeks of custody

[Ninjasander]

Huh, conservative christian? Not what I normally connect with the left-wing.

Good to hear they've got his name though.

Pinkamena made an error, it's supposed to be right wing

 

[Jonluw]

Huh, conservative christian? Not what I normally connect with the left-wing.

Good to hear they've got his name though.

Pinkamena made an error, it's supposed to be right wing

I just noticed, myself.
Was about to make a post regarding it.

 

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Firstly I want to say thankyou for settng up this thread and keeping it up to date really quickly. I'm half Norwegian, half of my family are up there and I hear news very slowly down here in ENgland. Heading up there in a week too. It's a scary thought. Anyway, thankyou again for all te great work.

Personal this makes me sick to my stomach. I don't like violence in general. Sometimes it has a purpose, this had none. This didn't need to happen. I don't really know what to say, this was tragic and should never have happened. I condolences go out to the familes affected.

Also, I don't know if this has been answered but if someone could answer me this (preferably a Norwegian). What is the max sentece for your country? Will he (they?) be getting it? Are there exceptions (increasing) if it is what I think it is (21 years max)?

 

[Ninjasander]

Here are some articles that includes information about the shooter!

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Norway-At-Least-17-Dead-In-Youth-Camp-Shooting-In-Utoya-And-Bomb-Attack-In-Oslo/Article/201107416035907?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0
(long link is long)

This one gives a short summary of him. The sources for this one are the norwegian papers.

http://lindeay.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/anders-behring-breivik-primary-suspect/

 

[Ninjasander]

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Firstly I want to say thankyou for settng up this thread and keeping it up to date really quickly. I'm half Norwegian, half of my family are up there and I hear news very slowly down here in ENgland. Heading up there in a week too. It's a scary thought. Anyway, thankyou again for all te great work.

Personal this makes me sick to my stomach. I don't like violence in general. Sometimes it has a purpose, this had none. This didn't need to happen. I don't really know what to say, this was tragic and should never have happened. I condolences go out to the familes affected.

Also, I don't know if this has been answered but if someone could answer me this (preferably a Norwegian). What is the max sentece for your country? Will he (they?) be getting it? Are there exceptions (increasing) if it is what I think it is (21 years max)?

Hmmm, this is the first time something like this happens in Norway.

The maximum penalty in Norway is 21 years, we don't have anything higher here. Also. I don't think they're going to make an exception for him either, even for something as bad as this.

And yes, this guy WILL get maximum sentence, I see no reason for why he wouldn't. Unless he's declared insane.

 

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So litterally in 21 years he;ll be free again? (if it ll goes as according to the laws right now). I find that disgusting. Not Norways fault, as you said, first time something like this has happened, but to me in my opinion, this is no way enough for what has happened.

Hell, I remember a few years back on the news when I came over for a summer, theost major crime that had been commited was someone's bicycle being stolen, but then later being found in a river. So I can see why the max is only 21. But I just feel that's too lienient in this case.

 

[Ninjasander]

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So litterally in 21 years he;ll be free again? (if it ll goes as according to the laws right now). I find that disgusting. Not Norways fault, as you said, first time something like this has happened, but to me in my opinion, this is no way enough for what has happened.

Hell, I remember a few years back on the news when I came over for a summer, theost major crime that had been commited was someone's bicycle being stolen, but then later being found in a river. So I can see why the max is only 21. But I just feel that's too lienient in this case.

The reason for that maximum penalty is because the norwegian government want to give people a second change. In this case I can see why someone wouldn't want to do that..

Prison is not supposed to be the end here, but rather a rehabilitation center.

 

[barash]

Whoa, just got back from 8 hours of clearing debris, doing some carpenting to prevent walls from falling, sweeping a metric fuckton of glass, doing limited crowd-control in assistance of the Oslo Police and helping a former employer getting the store ready for tomorrows business (store was 150 metres from the blast, got some quite serious damage).


The only thing I'm fuckin thankful for is that the bomber is an ethic Norwegian extremist, and not Muslim extremists. 'Cause we don't need any more hate in our society based on the colour of someones skin.

Now, time for a quick meal and sleep. G'night ya'll.

 

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I can get behind that actually. For crimes such as theft, assault, possibly even manslaughter (which is if I'm right which I think I am, the intent to harm but ends upith the person dying).

But this was just mass murder. And caused by a fanatical exremist. Sure, give him rehabilitation, but I'd never want him to see the light of day. That's just my opinion though.

 

[C.S.Strowbridge]

[HEADING=2] Okie Dokie Lokie! The guy behind all this mess have been identified as a conservative christian, and extreme leftist (So much for all the islam fingerpointing). He has also pointed out in debates on the internet how he is against multiculturalism and Islam. I think it's easy to see his motivations now. [/HEADING]

Conservative Christian and an Extreme Leftist? How do those two fit together?

 

[mireko]

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So litterally in 21 years he;ll be free again? (if it ll goes as according to the laws right now). I find that disgusting. Not Norways fault, as you said, first time something like this has happened, but to me in my opinion, this is no way enough for what has happened.

Hell, I remember a few years back on the news when I came over for a summer, theost major crime that had been commited was someone's bicycle being stolen, but then later being found in a river. So I can see why the max is only 21. But I just feel that's too lienient in this case.

That's not entirely true. We have got paragraphs for forvaring (containment). In theory, they could keep him in prison for the rest of his life.

Given that this is the biggest terrorist attack in Norway's history (and the considerable risk that he'll re-offend) it could happen. I really, really hope it does.

At least, I think so. I haven't spent any time reading straffeloven since High School (and I'm certainly no lawyer), so my info could be a little inaccurate. I'm pretty sure they've used it to deny Viggo Kristiansen parole, though.

Lov om straff, forvaring.

 

[tzimize]

Edit: Sorry for continuing the conversation on Religion

OT: Fuck terrorists. I hope that there aren't to much casulties in this attack and my prayers go out to all the victims in this attack

Thanks for that.

Pity that prayers are free and that they dont mean shit. Other than "I'm on your side, at least publically". No offence, but the only way we can change thing is with some actual consequences. Prayers are good for nothing.

 

[norwegian-guy]

I suppose this leaves me with one question... Why Norway? What did THEY do?

The terrorist was a ethnic norwegian rightwing extremist. This vile crime was in all likelyhood 100% political motivated since the locations of the attacks were close to the office of the Prime Minister of a leftwinged goverment and the shooting took place at the yearly meeting of a organisation for younger followers of a leftwinged political party (The same as the the one that forms the majority of the goverment in fact).

Needless to say this man is the most vile traitor against the norwegian people since Quisling convinced Hitler to innvade us.

 

[Jerubbaal]

I don't like that they try to put all muslims in the same group!

Racism is just going to get worse in this country after this.

Well, they do all get their 'moral' teachings from the same books. The fact that followers of islam in general are more violent and intolerant than the followers of christianity, for instance, speaks volumes for the reason of xenophobia towards muslims.

Look at me, railing on muslims like that. If I say much more, I'm likely to get warned, so enough about them.

Islam is actually a religion of peace, the only parts of the Qu'ran that actually talk about fighting states to fight your oppressors but only fight if you are attacked first. (I imagine 'You' means You as a person, not as a collective of persons)

Religious extremists of any faith will bend the texts of their holy book to mean what they want it to mean and the only people who follow those extremst teachings are those too stupid, lazy or ignorant to read the thing themselves.[/quote]

You've clearly never actually read the Qu'ran if you're going to say that it only justifies violence in cases of oppression/retaliation/self-defense.

 

[Spartan448]

Okay, there's no way this guy acted alone. There is in my opinion no way that he could have detonated the bomb in the government quarter, then retreived a police uniform and gun and travled to the island. And there were still the undetonated bombs there. I think there had to be at least one more person involved in this, maybe three, if you add in that the first bomb probably had to be detonated remotely, and a reliable remote detonator is hard to design.

 

[BakaSmurf]

I hope from the very bottom of my cold, blackened heart that this inhuman piece of shit gets violently sodomozed to death when it is incarcerated.

No, you know what? I take that back, calling this thing an inhuman piece of shit is insulting to inhuman pieces of shit everywhere.

This thing has revoked its right to life, and should be put down like the rabid beast that it is, in the most painful manner possible befitting a creature like this in the names of those innocent human lives it heartlessly ended for such an evil cause.

 

[Ninjasander]

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I was not aware of this, thank you for the link!

Ok, so a life sentence is possible if there is a possibility that he will cause harm to society once he's let out.

But all he has to do to get around this is to show good behavior in prison...

 

[Ninjasander]

[HEADING=2] Okie Dokie Lokie! The guy behind all this mess have been identified as a conservative christian, and extreme leftist (So much for all the islam fingerpointing). He has also pointed out in debates on the internet how he is against multiculturalism and Islam. I think it's easy to see his motivations now. [/HEADING]

Conservative Christian and an Extreme Leftist? How do those two fit together?

It's an error. x)

 

[norwegian-guy]

[HEADING=2] Okie Dokie Lokie! The guy behind all this mess have been identified as a conservative christian, and extreme leftist (So much for all the islam fingerpointing). He has also pointed out in debates on the internet how he is against multiculturalism and Islam. I think it's easy to see his motivations now. [/HEADING]

uhh, He's a rightwinged extremist, not a leftwinged.
Still, great that we try to make it clear that this was not done by islamic extremists, and that these (The islamic extremists) are an branch of a larger religion. So if one says that Islam is evil due to this extremist branch, then christianity must be evil since KKK-members are (in all cases I've read about) christian.