**Terror in Oslo** UPDATE: Anders Breivik gets 8 weeks of custody

[Kapol]

Thanks to Killerowl for keeping people updated. I was gone for a while. Well, now that the man behind it has been identified as anti-islam, I hope the fingerpointing will stop.

It won't. It'll just pivot and orient on "fundamentalist Christian nutjobs", ignoring inconvenient facts like the opposition of actual Christian theology to murder and somesuch.

Hell, someone could plant a bomb and profess to be vegan and everyone would start talking about what a blight vegans are upon the world. *sigh*

Sadly, there is some truth in this, and he was a gamer too. The media are going to make a shitstorm out of that, atleast the american. No offense.

Also, I found his Facebook for those who are interested.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002651290254

Thanks for that link, a quick look at the profile clarified his motives more than just a bit.

As for him being a gamer, well, I usually ignore this shit, but what this is going to lead to is Germany censoring games even more, if not banning them outright. Every single time some guy shoots some other guy in a remote corner of a ghetto in Johannesburg, the german authorities catch it up, blame video games and randomly choose a shooter coming out in the near future and ban it.

What a huge ****. Making sure I cant play my games, killed innocent civilians and looks like a smug bastard anyway.

Just so you know Mr Breivik, when I join you in hell I am going to beat the shit out of you.

The worst part is that, on his facebook page, on of the games listed was Modern Warfare 2. What do you want to bet someone is going to blame it for the shootings? I guess the famous airport shooting scene will be touted as the cause, and honestly... that almost seems like a possibility. The guy was an obvious nutjob, and it honestly seems like the shooting could have been 'inspired' by it. (Edit: By which I mean the style of it, not that he actually did the shooting to copy the game or anything like that.) I just hope this bastard gets what he deserves.

Also, for all those saying that Christians will come under fire for this, I doubt it for the most part. There may be some, but not many who will think so. Of course, I hope those complaining about that will get an understanding for what muslims get quite often and think twice before automatically assuming that any terrorist is muslim.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

On the facebook profile of Anders Behring Breivik, he lists gaming as one of his activities and has two video games WoW and Modern Warfare 2 listed.

Wonder if someone will find a way to blame videogames this time.

Edit: Oh, seems I was beaten to it...

 

[DN83]

You know what REALLY makes me angry about this ordeal? I just read Fox news and they ended up spinning it off to sound like it had something to do with Al Qaeda. The nerve!
P.S. I'm American.

 

[dfphetteplace]

[HEADING=2] Okie Dokie Lokie! The guy behind all this mess have been identified as a conservative christian, and extreme leftist (So much for all the islam fingerpointing). He has also pointed out in debates on the internet how he is against multiculturalism and Islam. I think it's easy to see his motivations now. [/HEADING]

This may have been pointed out elsewhere (there is no way I'm reading through 14 pages to find if it has been said or not).

How is someone a christian conservative and an extreme leftist? The two don't seem to go together.

 

[norwegian-guy]

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So litterally in 21 years he;ll be free again? (if it ll goes as according to the laws right now). I find that disgusting. Not Norways fault, as you said, first time something like this has happened, but to me in my opinion, this is no way enough for what has happened.

Hell, I remember a few years back on the news when I came over for a summer, theost major crime that had been commited was someone's bicycle being stolen, but then later being found in a river. So I can see why the max is only 21. But I just feel that's too lienient in this case.

Well, the 21 year-limit seems a little pathetic in cases like this, but let me point out that He will probably get 'forvaring'(detainment) wich will probably end up with him rotting in jail the rest of his undeserved life.
Also they may deem him insane and lock him away forever. That will probably be safer for him considering there's alot of people in jail that has as little love for him as the people outside the walls.

 

[Best of the 3]

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So litterally in 21 years he;ll be free again? (if it ll goes as according to the laws right now). I find that disgusting. Not Norways fault, as you said, first time something like this has happened, but to me in my opinion, this is no way enough for what has happened.

Hell, I remember a few years back on the news when I came over for a summer, theost major crime that had been commited was someone's bicycle being stolen, but then later being found in a river. So I can see why the max is only 21. But I just feel that's too lienient in this case.

Well, the 21 year-limit seems a little pathetic in cases like this, but let me point out that He will probably get 'forvaring'(detainment) wich will probably end up with him rotting in jail the rest of his undeserved life.
Also they may deem him insane and lock him away forever. That will probably be safer for him considering there's alot of people in jail that has as little love for him as the people outside the walls.

Call me a bit thick but what is this "detainment". What does it do that it keeps him in for more than the 21 years?

I'd look it up myself ut I can't read Norwegain laws >.< Really must learn the language sometime.

 

[Ninjasander]

[HEADING=2] Okie Dokie Lokie! The guy behind all this mess have been identified as a conservative christian, and extreme leftist (So much for all the islam fingerpointing). He has also pointed out in debates on the internet how he is against multiculturalism and Islam. I think it's easy to see his motivations now. [/HEADING]

This may have been pointed out elsewhere (there is no way I'm reading through 14 pages to find if it has been said or not).

How is someone a christian conservative and an extreme leftist? The two don't seem to go together.

Hey I actually said it on THIS page! xD

And this is the third time I'm saying it! Pinkamena made an error. :3

He's gone to sleep so you have to wait for him to fix it ^^
I've sent him a PM about it.

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

Spoiler: Picture of the guy

I know he did something very terrible, but I got to admit, he looks like a James Bond Villain in this photo.

 

[martin's a madman]

I don't like that they try to put all muslims in the same group!

Racism is just going to get worse in this country after this.

Well, they do all get their 'moral' teachings from the same books. The fact that followers of islam in general are more violent and intolerant than the followers of christianity, for instance, speaks volumes for the reason of xenophobia towards muslims.

Look at me, railing on muslims like that. If I say much more, I'm likely to get warned, so enough about them.

Islam is actually a religion of peace, the only parts of the Qu'ran that actually talk about fighting states to fight your oppressors but only fight if you are attacked first. (I imagine 'You' means You as a person, not as a collective of persons)

Religious extremists of any faith will bend the texts of their holy book to mean what they want it to mean and the only people who follow those extremst teachings are those too stupid, lazy or ignorant to read the thing themselves.

You've clearly never actually read the Qu'ran if you're going to say that it only justifies violence in cases of oppression/retaliation/self-defense.

Not to derail the thread again, but didn't Mohammed originally spread Islam by conquering arabia and killing arab polytheists? Surely he wasn't being oppressed at such a time?

And don't violent passages in the later portion of the Koran Abrogate the 'peaceful' passages in the early?

Unless I'm mistaken, Islam's initial success was brought about violently.

 

[qeinar]

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Firstly I want to say thankyou for settng up this thread and keeping it up to date really quickly. I'm half Norwegian, half of my family are up there and I hear news very slowly down here in ENgland. Heading up there in a week too. It's a scary thought. Anyway, thankyou again for all te great work.

Personal this makes me sick to my stomach. I don't like violence in general. Sometimes it has a purpose, this had none. This didn't need to happen. I don't really know what to say, this was tragic and should never have happened. I condolences go out to the familes affected.

Also, I don't know if this has been answered but if someone could answer me this (preferably a Norwegian). What is the max sentece for your country? Will he (they?) be getting it? Are there exceptions (increasing) if it is what I think it is (21 years max)?

Hmmm, this is the first time something like this happens in Norway.

The maximum penalty in Norway is 21 years, we don't have anything higher here. Also. I don't think they're going to make an exception for him either, even for something as bad as this.

And yes, this guy WILL get maximum sentence, I see no reason for why he wouldn't. Unless he's declared insane.

actually you can keep someone in prison in norway forever, don't know the english word, but the norwegian one is "forvaring". Basicly if the person is still deemed a threat when he's done his time he will be kept in jail. here's the norwegian wikipedia for it: http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forvaring ^^

Also on the other end even if he gets 21 years he might be let out after 14 years due to http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fengsels%C3%A5r i kinda doubt that will happen tho.

 

[dfphetteplace]

[HEADING=2] Okie Dokie Lokie! The guy behind all this mess have been identified as a conservative christian, and extreme leftist (So much for all the islam fingerpointing). He has also pointed out in debates on the internet how he is against multiculturalism and Islam. I think it's easy to see his motivations now. [/HEADING]

This may have been pointed out elsewhere (there is no way I'm reading through 14 pages to find if it has been said or not).

How is someone a christian conservative and an extreme leftist? The two don't seem to go together.

Hey I actually said it on THIS page! xD

And this is the third time I'm saying it! Pinkamena made an error. :3

She's gone to sleep so you have to wait for her to fix it ^^
I've sent her a PM about it.

I saw that after I posted, but I didn't jump to the last page before posting it. I probably should have.

 

[Gormers1]

This might be sad but true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14256438

I also think its slightly ironic that a lot of my friends has a norwegian flag as their facebook profile pic now, considering the terrorists values. Still, people should tackle this how they want to. I feel really bad for friends I know who are member of this political group and had friends on this island :7

edit: hees NOT a leftist btw, he was after people of the labour party, not that fingerpointing and politics is that interesting atm.

 

[zombones]

The only post on his twitter is "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests." The man has some sort of complex

 

[Ninjasander]

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Firstly I want to say thankyou for settng up this thread and keeping it up to date really quickly. I'm half Norwegian, half of my family are up there and I hear news very slowly down here in ENgland. Heading up there in a week too. It's a scary thought. Anyway, thankyou again for all te great work.

Personal this makes me sick to my stomach. I don't like violence in general. Sometimes it has a purpose, this had none. This didn't need to happen. I don't really know what to say, this was tragic and should never have happened. I condolences go out to the familes affected.

Also, I don't know if this has been answered but if someone could answer me this (preferably a Norwegian). What is the max sentece for your country? Will he (they?) be getting it? Are there exceptions (increasing) if it is what I think it is (21 years max)?

Hmmm, this is the first time something like this happens in Norway.

The maximum penalty in Norway is 21 years, we don't have anything higher here. Also. I don't think they're going to make an exception for him either, even for something as bad as this.

And yes, this guy WILL get maximum sentence, I see no reason for why he wouldn't. Unless he's declared insane.

actually you can keep someone in prison in norway forever, don't know the english word, but the norwegian one is "forvaring". Basicly if the person is still deemed a threat when he's done his time he will be kept in jail. here's the norwegian wikipedia for it: http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forvaring ^^

Yea, I know now, I'm norwegian myself and was kind of embarrassed for not knowing.
I've already corrected myself in an earlier post and educated myself on the topic.

 

[norwegian-guy]

Well, the 21 year-limit seems a little pathetic in cases like this, but let me point out that He will probably get 'forvaring'(detainment) wich will probably end up with him rotting in jail the rest of his undeserved life.
Also they may deem him insane and lock him away forever. That will probably be safer for him considering there's alot of people in jail that has as little love for him as the people outside the walls.

Call me a bit thick but what is this "detainment". What does it do that it keeps him in for more than the 21 years?

I'd look it up myself ut I can't read Norwegain laws >.< Really must learn the language sometime.[/quote]

To put it in the most abstract of explanations: It means that he will be given a new trial when he has served the original sentence. And considering the nature of this crime it is most likely the sentence will be lengthened to another 21 years after that. In theory this practice can keep a man in jail in Norway for the rest of his life, even with the maximum sentence of 21. this is not the way the practise is meant to be used, but this guy is the most vile traitor against Norway since Quisling during WW2 (And with Quisling we turned the name into a term meaning traitor.)

 

[Ninjasander]

This might be sad but true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14256438

I also think its slightly ironic that a lot of my friends has a norwegian flag as their facebook profile pic now, considering the terrorists values. Still, people should tackle this how they want to. I feel really bad for friends I know who are member of this political group and had friends on this island :7

edit: hees NOT a leftist btw, he was after people of the labour party, not that fingerpointing and politics is that interesting atm.

Our PM, in his speech, just said that we will respond with being even more open and democratic!
Hopefully, something like that will happen.

And yes, we're aware of the error, Pinkamena made a mistake! ^^

Please stop pointing it out, but he went asleep and can't fix it until the morning.

 

[Jonluw]

Also: I guess this is going to do wonders for me who is already somewhat prejudiced towards the far right.

 

[qeinar]

this just in: 80 people confirmed dead on "utøya". (where the bastard shot people).

basicly walked around and casually shot atleast 80 people.

 

[Arsen]

How can you be a "Conservative Christian" and an "Extreme Leftist" at the same time?

This sucks. Of all countries on this earth they are one of those I have undying respect for. Very open-minded, good people. Good musicians as well. My God given condolences towards the families of the slain, the victims, and this great land.

But on another note, why must we fall into the mandatory "conservative VS liberal" argument at this current time? Both sides have their respectful points and heartfelt merits...so trying to claim "everyone of X group behaves this way" isn't going to win any side any favors or solve problems. It's a bullshit, ignorant, surface level argument to believe so.