TES: Nirn mapping

[blackrave]

I am starting ambitious mod for TES5 (and most probably getting way over my head)
The goal is recreate all known Nirn in it- Tamriel, Atmora, Akavir, Yokuda, Pyandoea and Aldmeris
First step is actually creating one map of Nirn
Things I know/calculated
1. Akavir is around the same size as Tamriel (thanks to mathemagic that involves in-game book information of how long it takes to cross Akavir and standard Roman legion march distance per day)
2. Distance between Tamriel and Akavir is 6759.25km (4200miles)
3. Nirn is a globe with radius 768.1km/477.3miles (yeah, I know that planets usually aren't perfect spheres, but for the sake of simplicity I calculated Nirn as a sphere)

I also at this point combined
http://tresmarias.tur.br/espera/elder-scrolls-map-of-nirn-840.jpg
and
http://media.photobucket.com/image/akavir/IAMTHEEMPEROR/AkavirMap.jpg?o=1&sortby=sevendaysview
(to be honest I don't like this map very much, but it is the best I have seen so far)
in one map.

Problems
Numbers don't add up
1.Distance between Tamriel and Akavir can't be 4200miles (circumference of Nirn is only 3000 miles, so I'm going to make them much closer)
2.Atmora is to the north from Tamriel, but there simply isn't where to place it (there were speculations that Atmora and Aldmeris might be in different planes of existence, but I somehow don't buy it)
3.I'm not sure where to draw equator.
Most official sources claim that equator goes through middle of Topal bay (I did my calculations based on that assumption)
There are also maps that draws equator much closer to Pyandoea
3.I don't have any maps of Atmora and Aldmeris (I have one drawing with both, but it is imprecise)

So, fellow Escapees, is there any way you might help me?

 

[Wayneguard]

Sorry, no help from me but DAYUM that sure is a big undertaking.

 

[SajuukKhar]

There are no known numbers for anythings size.

The size of the globe, how large Tamriel is, how far away Akavir is, nothing is known.

Also, Aldmeris is a collective dream of the Mer from before they were sundered, it never existed, and Atmora does exist to the north.

 

[blackrave]

There are no known numbers for anythings size.

The size of the globe, how large Tamriel is, how far away Akavir is, nothing is known.

Also, Aldmeris is a collective dream of the Mer from before they were sundered, it never existed, and Atmora does exist to the north.

Well, there are hints and notes in the in-game books
That is used to calculate approximate size of Nirn
Also there was this globe in Daggerfall
http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/df_globe.gif
(yes, it might be made just like old Earth globes- without half of the content)

Where did you get that info on Aldmeris?
(if it's from TES5, don't go into details, I'm still in the middle of all this)

 

[SajuukKhar]

Well, there are hints and notes in the in-game books
That is used to calculate approximate size of Nirn
Also there was this globe in Daggerfall
http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/df_globe.gif
(yes, it might be made just like old Earth globes- without half of the content)

Where did you get that info on Aldmeris?
(if it's from TES5, don't go into details, I'm still in the middle of all this)

No it isn't from Skyrim

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept

"As they were the most powerful of lesser spirits in the ages after the Convention and eager to emulate what they saw, the Aldmer began construction of their own towers. That they built more than one shows you that they were not of one mind.

The Aldmer began to split along cultural lines, on how best to spread creation and their parts in it. Each Tower that was built exemplified a separate accordance.

This sundering of purpose is the myth of the "destruction of Aldmeris." Outside of the Dawn, and even then only in the dreamtime of its landscape, there was never a terrestrial homeland of the Elves. "Old Ehlnofey" is a magical ideal of mixed memories of the Dawn."

Also, most books in the Elder Scrolls games, are just that, book, stories, written by imperfect people.

Books in Elder scrolls should only ever be taken as fiction, not fact, unless there is A LOT of evidence to back up that fact.

 

[blackrave]

No it isn't from Skyrim

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept

"As they were the most powerful of lesser spirits in the ages after the Convention and eager to emulate what they saw, the Aldmer began construction of their own towers. That they built more than one shows you that they were not of one mind.

The Aldmer began to split along cultural lines, on how best to spread creation and their parts in it. Each Tower that was built exemplified a separate accordance.

This sundering of purpose is the myth of the "destruction of Aldmeris." Outside of the Dawn, and even then only in the dreamtime of its landscape, there was never a terrestrial homeland of the Elves. "Old Ehlnofey" is a magical ideal of mixed memories of the Dawn."

Also, most books in the Elder Scrolls games, are just that, book, stories, written by imperfect people.

Books in Elder scrolls should only ever be taken as fiction, not fact, unless there is A LOT of evidence to back up that fact.

Well, some books are based on reports of officials
(yes, some reports may be full of shit, but I generally consider them to be true)

Anyway, then Aldmeris is out then (that should make things a bit easier)

Still, where to draw equator?
Because if I would know this and make assumption that Atmora is located at North pole, it should allow me to calculate size of Nirn

 

[Dewey Square]

Where does the value for Nirn's radius come from specifically? 800km is a really, really small radius for a planet (Earth's radius is 6,400km, and even the Moon's radius is 1700km). From what we can see in the games, Nirn's gravity doesn't seem as weak compared to Earth's as you'd expect from such a small size for the planet.

There are a number of explanations, I guess -- maybe gravity is stronger in the Elder Scrolls universe, or maybe Nirn is made of some extremely dense material. It could be that all the people on Nirn are tiny, but effects like gravity don't usually scale with size; I don't have time right now to calculate how small they'd have to be, but considering that people in Tamriel have about the same size compared to features like mountains that we do, I don't think this will be an explanation. I think all the evidence I've seen points to Nirn being an Earth-like planet.

 

[blackrave]

Took me a while but I'm mostly done with united map
(mostly North hemisphere since there is only Pyandonea at South)
Why so long? I wasn't doing it 24/7, more like 3/5
Anyway I changed and recalculated size and continent distances

*Distance from North to equator is 4750 miles
*I increased every landmass twice
(otherwise continents would be really tiny, and even with increase Tamriel and Akavir are only slightly bigger than Australia)
*Equator goes between Summerset Isle and Pyandonea now
*Ditched attempts to find any maps of Aldmeris
(since its real existence is highly questionable)
*Atmora is located around North pole
(you can consider it as equivalent of Arctica)

What I need is any links for artist representations of Atmora
I found only one, but it is skewed and unusable in my 2D map
In such desperate moment I would draw it myself, but my graphical skills are subpar (to be more precise I suck at this )

So, can anyone help me?
Give me some links of Atmora maps.
Or maybe someone with better skills, would like to draw map from scratch?
(if, yes than please use Antarctica as inspiration, also it would be awesome to indicate where is boarder between ice covered land and ice covered water. I intend to scale it so that landmass of Atmora is as big as Cyrodill, Elsweyr and Black Marsh combined, while total ice coverage is slightly bigger than Tamriel)

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Where does the value for Nirn's radius come from specifically? 800km is a really, really small radius for a planet (Earth's radius is 6,400km, and even the Moon's radius is 1700km). From what we can see in the games, Nirn's gravity doesn't seem as weak compared to Earth's as you'd expect from such a small size for the planet.

There are a number of explanations, I guess -- maybe gravity is stronger in the Elder Scrolls universe, or maybe Nirn is made of some extremely dense material. It could be that all the people on Nirn are tiny, but effects like gravity don't usually scale with size; I don't have time right now to calculate how small they'd have to be, but considering that people in Tamriel have about the same size compared to features like mountains that we do, I don't think this will be an explanation. I think all the evidence I've seen points to Nirn being an Earth-like planet.

The explanation could simply be that Nirn is significantly more dense than Earth. The smaller radius (1/10) means the planet could actually be significantly less massive than earth and achieve ~ 1G