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I heard they want to secede if Trump doesn't win the 2024 election. Great! GO! The GOP will lose some 30 electoral college points, like 14 house seats, 2 senate seats, and Texas would be cut off from all federal aid, all the military bases would close, they wouldn't be able to cross the border without a passport, and they wouldn't be able to use the dollar.
Go for it! Destroy the GOP and devastate Texas all in one go.
Things aren't much better in your state of Missouri.


LITERALLY wanting to shoot people who don't support Trump.

Tell me again how both parties are TOTALLY the same. Tell me again how the Republican party is TOTALLY a legitimate political party and not a group of bats*** crazy, fascist terrorists.
 

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People keep saying there is no way the US is heading towards a second civil war, and I say there is no way there won't be one.
I mean, it's plain as day if one accounts for the level of polarization fed by the media, protest and counter-protest violence, and political violence enabled by federal authorities under the auspices of "sting" and "surveillance" operations, we...to a certain extent...already in one.

The issue is most folks cleave to this idea of another major civil conflict in this country following the archetype set by the first. That being, states secede, take their national guards and paramilitaries with them, ostensibly elements of federal armed forces defect, and those states form their own government waging a conventional conflict with the original federal government. That's not going to be the case; the US will almost certainly balkanize.
 

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Things aren't much better in your state of Missouri.


LITERALLY wanting to shoot people who don't support Trump.

Tell me again how both parties are TOTALLY the same. Tell me again how the Republican party is TOTALLY a legitimate political party and not a group of bats*** crazy, fascist terrorists.
But that's just one person! You can't judge an entire party based on the actions of the crazies! proceeds to use Joe Biden and Dianne Feinstein to represent all Democrats

ETA: Whoops, forgot to say what I initially entered this topic to say. If this news was, say, a satire written as a film pitch, 9 out 10 producers would reject it for the almost cartoonish villainy being presented and a lack of subtlety.
 

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I heard they want to secede if Trump doesn't win the 2024 election. Great! GO! The GOP will lose some 30 electoral college points, like 14 house seats, 2 senate seats, and Texas would be cut off from all federal aid, all the military bases would close, they wouldn't be able to cross the border without a passport, and they wouldn't be able to use the dollar.
Go for it! Destroy the GOP and devastate Texas all in one go.
Secession is the natural end result when the centre will not hold. If regions of a country cannot live with each other, then like any dysfunctional union divorce is the only realistic step.

Unless someone favours repression and is able to carry it out, anyway.
 

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What does CPS stand for?
Child protection services.

Just so we can all be sure they don't give a solitary fuck about "grooming"
To be clear, "getting rid of CPS" is some exaggeratory BS. It calls for reform of CPS, seemingly within the context of unfair treatment of father's in a separated family situation.
 

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But that's just one person! You can't judge an entire party based on the actions of the crazies! proceeds to use Joe Biden and Dianne Feinstein to represent all Democrats

ETA: Whoops, forgot to say what I initially entered this topic to say. If this news was, say, a satire written as a film pitch, 9 out 10 producers would reject it for the almost cartoonish villainy being presented and a lack of subtlety.
Republicans want to shoot people who don't support Trump.

Both sides are totally the same, guys!
 

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Republicans want to shoot people who don't support Trump.

Both sides are totally the same, guys!
I was mocking people who compare the actions of Republicans to Democrats who then dismiss incidents like this using the same logic I posted. Hypocrites, in other words.
 

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The interstate highway system.
If you have to go back 75 years ago to find a single example, that's not a good sign.

The children's health insurance program. Not giving Iran pallets of cash. You know, normal stuff.
CHIP was a bipartisan bill cosponsored by Senators Kennedy (D) & Hatch (R), passed by a Republican-controlled Congress, and signed into law by President Clinton (D). Its most significant opposition came from conservative Republicans.

Not giving Iran pallets of cash.
You're right. It's much better to unconstitutionally sell Iran military weapons in order to fund terrorist death squads in South America instead...

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So overall, you're 1 for 3 of these actually being policies that came from Republicans with the sole example being 3/4 of a century old and proposed by the least conservative Republican administration since Roosevelt.
 

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I heard they want to secede if Trump doesn't win the 2024 election. Great! GO! The GOP will lose some 30 electoral college points, like 14 house seats, 2 senate seats, and Texas would be cut off from all federal aid, all the military bases would close, they wouldn't be able to cross the border without a passport, and they wouldn't be able to use the dollar.
Go for it! Destroy the GOP and devastate Texas all in one go.
Well, they are the one star state, they'll be just fine until winter or summer and their system fails again.

As an aside, I think they'd be still able to use the US dollar, it's possible for minor nations to use more powerful nation's currency (I guess to avoid the other of having their own), at least one pacific nation uses the Australian dollar (or 2, if you count Australia as well).

But they'd get someone to print their FreedomBucks with eagles eating black people on it, and the person responsible runs to the US with their money and won't be extradited.
 

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If you have to go back 75 years ago to find a single example, that's not a good sign.
There are two more examples. You are aware of this. You responded to them.
CHIP was a bipartisan bill cosponsored by Senators Kennedy (D) & Hatch (R), passed by a Republican-controlled Congress, and signed into law by President Clinton (D). Its most significant opposition came from conservative Republicans.
And reauthorized a few years ago with nays from 6 Republicans and 144 Democrats.
 

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There are two more examples. You are aware of this. You responded to them.
Skipping over quite a lot of context there, aren't you? Namely that it was written by a Democrat (though co-sponsored by a Republican), and that Republicans only supported it as part of the Balanced Budget Act... which also cut $110 billion from Medicare.
 

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Skipping over quite a lot of context there, aren't you? Namely that it was written by a Democrat (though co-sponsored by a Republican), and that Republicans only supported it as part of the Balanced Budget Act... which also cut $110 billion from Medicare.
Thank you, budgets are also a good idea Republicans are for.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
The interstate highway system. The children's health insurance program. Not giving Iran pallets of cash. You know, normal stuff.
The interstate happened before they went loopy, the chip program was bipartison and that was already Iran's money, we kinda just stole it from them then made a pretty good deal to prevent them from getting nukes if we gave it back.
 

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Does it really matter?
Secession is the natural end result when the centre will not hold. If regions of a country cannot live with each other, then like any dysfunctional union divorce is the only realistic step.

Unless someone favours repression and is able to carry it out, anyway.
Fairly certain the US Constitution does not allow States to secede from the Union. Entrapped by the very thing the Republicans do not want to change.

Why aren't the Democrats doing more to win, when the Republicans are telegraphing their plans worse than a Punch-Out boss?
It's TEXAS. You want to know what the stereotype of a Republican voter to us outside of the US is? A Texan.
The GOP could reveal a soiled piece of toilet paper, and their voters would still deem it better than anything the Democrats can offer.
 

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Thank you, budgets are also a good idea Republicans are for.
Very droll.

But CHIP wasn't a Republican idea, and they only supported it when bundled with measures to gut healthcare.
 

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Fairly certain the US Constitution does not allow States to secede from the Union. Entrapped by the very thing the Republicans do not want to change.
I'm not a Constitutional expert, but as far as I am aware there's nothing strict saying states can secede, but nothing strict saying they can't, either. Thus were such a case to be pursued "legality" is just whatever SCOTUS pull out of their nine arseholes as they see fit at the time. However, the point is more that what the Constitution, law and SCOTUS says is in reality a complete irrelevance.

If a state secedes unilaterally, what stops them? Ultimately, use of force. Therefore, in this situation, it's not a matter of law, it's who wins the resultant war: if the secessionists, they are now independent beyond the legal reach of their parent, and secession has been de facto legalised. The same effectively applies to a bilateral secession. Constitutional law is rendered completely irrelevant if the Federal gov. agree to let a state go. Sure, SCOTUS can say "Nuh-uh - Constitution says no-one leaves!" but without enforcement by the Federal government, the secessionists are de facto independent and that's the end of that.

So would the Federal government force a state to remain in the Union? The historical record shows countries have sometimes allowed secession, and sometimes not. Basically, the parent state would do a cost benefit analysis of whether it would cost them more to attempt to hold the state or let it go: because sometimes being larger but disunited is worse than being smaller and united. I would suggest that a Texas that was prepared to make the USA's life a misery if it weren't released to independence would stand a good chance of secession.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
I'm not a Constitutional expert, but as far as I am aware there's nothing strict saying states can secede, but nothing strict saying they can't, either. Thus were such a case to be pursued "legality" is just whatever SCOTUS pull out of their nine arseholes as they see fit at the time. However, the point is more that what the Constitution, law and SCOTUS says is in reality a complete irrelevance.

If a state secedes unilaterally, what stops them? Ultimately, use of force. Therefore, in this situation, it's not a matter of law, it's who wins the resultant war: if the secessionists, they are now independent beyond the legal reach of their parent, and secession has been de facto legalised. The same effectively applies to a bilateral secession. Constitutional law is rendered completely irrelevant if the Federal gov. agree to let a state go. Sure, SCOTUS can say "Nuh-uh - Constitution says no-one leaves!" but without enforcement by the Federal government, the secessionists are de facto independent and that's the end of that.

So would the Federal government force a state to remain in the Union? The historical record shows countries have sometimes allowed secession, and sometimes not. Basically, the parent state would do a cost benefit analysis of whether it would cost them more to attempt to hold the state or let it go: because sometimes being larger but disunited is worse than being smaller and united. I would suggest that a Texas that was prepared to make the USA's life a misery if it weren't released to independence would stand a good chance of secession.
I'm fairly sure that after the civil war we made it illegal to succeed. But, even if its not explicitly illegal, you have to look at things logically. If a state succeeds then the US can just come in and take it back, and it would. You might have a few pissed off idiots in the sticks but any government body that had a hand in succession is getting taken care of pretty damn quick unless they have nukes.
 
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