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I'm fairly sure that after the civil war we made it illegal to succeed.
Well, a bunch of dudes in black robes probably went "Blah blah blah" in a way that was probably mostly little more than a post-hoc defence of the Civil War's winner.

But, even if its not explicitly illegal, you have to look at things logically. If a state succeeds then the US can just come in and take it back, and it would. You might have a few pissed off idiots in the sticks but any government body that had a hand in succession is getting taken care of pretty damn quick unless they have nukes.
Would the USA retake it, though?

A unilateral decision to secede suggests a severe breakdown of relations. Would the USA really be prepared to bloody-handedly coerce a resentful state into subservience - the deaths, the cost, the repression? It's not 1860 anymore, and the USA is not Russia or China.
 

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The interstate highway system. The children's health insurance program. Not giving Iran pallets of cash. You know, normal stuff.
Yeah. This is a based comeback. You can do better

But you are right with your earlier post. Dems win only because they are less crazy. Not because they have good ideas
 

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Well, a bunch of dudes in black robes probably went "Blah blah blah" in a way that was probably mostly little more than a post-hoc defence of the Civil War's winner.



Would the USA retake it, though?

A unilateral decision to secede suggests a severe breakdown of relations. Would the USA really be prepared to bloody-handedly coerce a resentful state into subservience - the deaths, the cost, the repression? It's not 1860 anymore, and the USA is not Russia or China.
The US? No.

A whole bunch of idiots inside the US? Yes. They'd love repressing people and the millions of deaths would be a bonus

School shooters are seen as heroes, my dude
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Well, a bunch of dudes in black robes probably went "Blah blah blah" in a way that was probably mostly little more than a post-hoc defence of the Civil War's winner.



Would the USA retake it, though?

A unilateral decision to secede suggests a severe breakdown of relations. Would the USA really be prepared to bloody-handedly coerce a resentful state into subservience - the deaths, the cost, the repression? It's not 1860 anymore, and the USA is not Russia or China.
Yes, the US would 100% retake it. Keep in mind too, most of the people in cities probably wouldn't support succeeding either so it would be a big urban/rural divide and the US coming back would probably be welcomed in cities. Not to mention that no one would want it on their watch, like a democrat wouldn't want other iffy states to start getting ideas and a republican would be pissed off that it would make them look weak. Really the only way the US wouldn't take it back immediately would be if we elected someone whos whole thing was breaking up the republic, and you would see people running on bringing it back into the fold, one way or another.
 

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People keep saying there is no way the US is heading towards a second civil war, and I say there is no way there won't be one.
I'd posit that we never actually finished the first one.
Thank you, budgets are also a good idea Republicans are for.
The Republican idea of "balancing budgets" is to cut taxes, cut any sort of social spending, and then give any excess money to corporations. When Democrats come along to pay off the inevitable debts that pile up, Republicans accuse them of "spending us into poverty".
 

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Yes, the US would 100% retake it. Keep in mind too, most of the people in cities probably wouldn't support succeeding either so it would be a big urban/rural divide and the US coming back would probably be welcomed in cities. Not to mention that no one would want it on their watch, like a democrat wouldn't want other iffy states to start getting ideas and a republican would be pissed off that it would make them look weak. Really the only way the US wouldn't take it back immediately would be if we elected someone whos whole thing was breaking up the republic, and you would see people running on bringing it back into the fold, one way or another.
Yeah, the US *loves* fighting for oil, and Texas has a *lot* of oil and oil refineries.

No way in hell we let them go peaceably and no way in hell they win that fight
 

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Things aren't much better in your state of Missouri.


LITERALLY wanting to shoot people who don't support Trump.

Tell me again how both parties are TOTALLY the same. Tell me again how the Republican party is TOTALLY a legitimate political party and not a group of bats*** crazy, fascist terrorists.
Yeah Greitens is fucking insane. Like he has a reputation that young women do NOT intern in his office. He's so far into the Trump cult, when he's in town liberals stay home. Don't go to rallies, don't go to the debates. He travels with an "unofficial" conservative armed biker gang, and local cops give them way more power than they deserve. He's all about cops can do no wrong, armed cults can do no wrong, Trump does no wrong.
 
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Why aren't the Democrats doing more to win, when the Republicans are telegraphing their plans worse than a Punch-Out boss?
Same reason the republican are batshit insane, the primary system + gerrymandering.

Most people in both Dem and Rep are in ultra safe seat where they'll never lose to a member of the other party, their only competition is from people flanking them by going even more extreme to play the primary crowd. So both side end up dominated by extreme crazy, who yell way harder than the moderate sane people who would do well in general election. For the extremist crazy, being in the opposition is much better than in government, because they can keep yelling insane stuff without having to do anything (and they still get payed the same anyway), so they don't care about tanking the party electoral chance.

The extremist democrat push the overall party toward talking about stuff that 99% of the public actively doesn't care about taking lots of time away from talking and tackling stuff they care about (like the insanity that was "defund the police", which must be #1 in the list of terrible slogan to make sure you destroy any chance of progress in your cause).

The thing is this system works well for republican because they have massive electoral advantages because rural vote are worth more than urban one (especially in the senate), so even if they only get vote from their insane base, they can still get lots of electoral victory. But this is poison to dem, they need to overcome this urban disadvantages, but they can't until they get rid of the primary system.
 
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But you are right with your earlier post. Dems win only because they are less crazy. Not because they have good ideas
This is why I don't vote. It's never a choice between 2 perfectly good people and I just have to pick the one who I like better, it's a choice between 2 utterly horrible excuses for human beings and I just have to hope and pray that I end up picking the one that's a tiny TINY bit better than the other. Of course I'd have to pray since neither are actually honest enough for anyone to make a sound judgement on which is a smidge better. Both parties have god awful policies with some decent ones mixed in there somewhere, because we just couldn't just avoid the terrible policies that obviously are a bad idea, have probably been done before and not worked if not several times and not worked, and do what would actually benefit the country as a whole without concern for political parties and political agendas like is the actual job of politicians! That would be silly!

Not that it matters since not only will either candidate not actually fulfill any of their promises if elected anyway unless it benefits them to do so, but the other party will work to overturn everything the candidate did even if it's obviously a good thing just because they weren't the party that did it.

For the record, I don't think the Democrats win because they are less crazy, the Democrats are just as nutty as the Republicans, they're just a different flavor of nutty. They are all the same in the end, corrupt idiots whose only concern is with lining their own pockets. I give it a month before we see another article about the Democrats pushing for something just as stupid. Which the Republicans will subsequently top in stupidity not long after, and so on and so forth.
 

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Infrastructure is good for business, and where government spending is good for their corporate paymasters, the right wing is there to deliver.
Actually, disagree there. You have lots of ring wing governments which utterly fail at that. The Texas power grid isn't good for business, for example.

Building autobahns and the like is one of those things were rightwing rhetoric about good for business, good for the community can actually work, but they often get that wrong.
 
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The extremist democrat push the overall party toward talking about stuff that 99% of the public actively doesn't care about taking lots of time away from talking and tackling stuff they care about (like the insanity that was "defund the police", which must be #1 in the list of terrible slogan to make sure you destroy any chance of progress in your cause).
But Democratic politicians generally don't talk about defunding the police.

Rashida Tlaib called for an end to policing at one point, but within the Democratic Party she's about the only one.
 

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But Democratic politicians generally don't talk about defunding the police.
They sure as hell did when it was convenient. I've only got a minute or two, I can pull sources for this timeline later if you'd like, but this is what happened ihe summer of 2020:

1) Democrats wrote a police reform bill, related to practices involved in George Floyd's death.
2) Republicans wrote a 95% similar bill.
3) "Defund the police" started to gain momentum.
4) Far left-win activists started saying reforming the police would be like trying to reform slavery, and started an "abolition" movement.
5) Nancy Pelosi claimed that the Republican's were "trying to get away with murder" and shelved the entire thing without further debate.
6) Democrats claimed (briefly) to be on board with defunding rather than reforming.
7) Nothing ever got passed.

Democrats for a moment were put in a position where to accomplish their stated policy goals, all they had to do was accept Republicans agreeing with them, so they moved their position (temporarily) to actively avoid bipartisanship.

Edit: $10 says they do the same thing with gun reform.
 

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The extremist democrat push the overall party toward talking about stuff that 99% of the public actively doesn't care about taking lots of time away from talking and tackling stuff they care about (like the insanity that was "defund the police", which must be #1 in the list of terrible slogan to make sure you destroy any chance of progress in your cause).

The thing is this system works well for republican because they have massive electoral advantages because rural vote are worth more than urban one (especially in the senate), so even if they only get vote from their insane base, they can still get lots of electoral victory. But this is poison to dem, they need to overcome this urban disadvantages, but they can't until they get rid of the primary system.
The main issue seems to be that democrats are bad at making people follow a party line. There have been plenty of widely popular proposals, which it would actively harm the republicans to vote against, but a few democrats just keep defecting meaning that the republicans will never have to take those tough votes.

Childcare credits, pharmaceutical pricing, green initiatives, college debt forgiveness those are just from the last few years.
 

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Republicans think JFK Jr. will come back from the dead and become Trump's VP, and that the COVID vaccine has microchips in it.

There's no reasoning with these people.
 
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Childcare credits, pharmaceutical pricing, green initiatives, college debt forgiveness those are just from the last few years.
Imma push back on college debt forgiveness. There is little to no sense in releasing the debt of exclusively relatively well off people, especially at a moment of high inflation, and the popular support for the idea is an illusion caused by the internet being disproportionately populated by exactly the 20-30 something over-educated bougie class that took out $100k student loans.
 

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Keep in mind, that the governor of Texas and all his dick suckers, are the same people that want these guys to exist and run the country.


Republicans think JFK Jr. will come back from the dead and become Trump's VP, and that the COVID vaccine has microchips in it.

There's no reasoning with these people.
 

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They sure as hell did when it was convenient. I've only got a minute or two, I can pull sources for this timeline later if you'd like, but this is what happened ihe summer of 2020:

1) Democrats wrote a police reform bill, related to practices involved in George Floyd's death.
2) Republicans wrote a 95% similar bill.
3) "Defund the police" started to gain momentum.
4) Far left-win activists started saying reforming the police would be like trying to reform slavery, and started an "abolition" movement.
5) Nancy Pelosi claimed that the Republican's were "trying to get away with murder" and shelved the entire thing without further debate.
6) Democrats claimed (briefly) to be on board with defunding rather than reforming.
7) Nothing ever got passed.

Democrats for a moment were put in a position where to accomplish their stated policy goals, all they had to do was accept Republicans agreeing with them, so they moved their position (temporarily) to actively avoid bipartisanship.

Edit: $10 says they do the same thing with gun reform.
$10 says that little timeline is entirely misrepresentative of what actually happened.

1) That would be the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act. You're omitting the fact that Republicans voted uniformly against the police reform bill as the Dems introduced it. So if you're condemning the Dems for opposing something when they sponsored something "95% similar", then Republicans are guilty of exactly the same thing.

2) That would be the JUSTICE Act. 95% similar?! Bollocks. The Democrats' bill banned choke-holds and no-knock warrants in drug cases. The Republican bill didn't. The Democrats' bill lessened qualified immunity. The Republican bill didn't. The Republican bill essentially just expanded data collection, and provided funding to reward police departments if they didn't brutalise anyone; it did fuck all to actually prevent the actions that led to the death in the first place.

2.5) Democrats reintroduced their own bill after the Republican one fell through. And Republicans again blocked it.

3) + 4) The Dems voted unanimously for a Republican amendment to strip funding away from any municipality which defunds its police department. Their chief negotiator made it extremely clear in the Senate that they opposed defunding the police, and Senators voted in line with that. This has always been an idiotic attack line from Republicans.