Thank god for epic exclusives and that they are actually exclusives

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Couldn't care less, to be honest. Steam's perch ought to be rattled.

Just wish it was by a better product.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

So can someone explain why, every PC gamer and their Cat is up in arms about the Epic store,but Steam themselves don't seem to care?

Hard for Gabe to hear from underneath those coke covered hooker asses in his mansion. Dude is quite removed from the cares of the peasant class.

 

[Abomination]

People keep on using the term competition. Use it when it's appropriate. This isn't competition. Epic Game Store and Steam aren't even the same league in terms of customer service. When so many programmers coming out and saying that one of their first projects in learning how to code is to make a functioning shopping cart, it strikes me that Epic's focus isn't on making a good experience for the customers. Not anywhere near it.

This isn't about customer service though, this is about getting people to use the store and buy games.

Like it or not, this is a form of competition - a direct brute force type of competition, but competition nevertheless. It also doesn't matter if your storefront is shit if your storefront is the only storefront the product is available on, their goal is to break the mindset that Steam is the place you can get all the games except for publisher exclusives like EA and Actiblizzard.

Epic is planning for the long haul here, they're willing to make a loss on products for, as far as I can tell, at least 2 years in order to force direct competition to Steam. They don't need a "good" storefront yet because that isn't what will get people to move, but in time the lack of a proper storefront with the same fidelity as Steam will prove a bigger and bigger bugbear.

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

The thing is, trying to compete with Steam is going to be rough for anyone as every bought product is kind of like customer loyalty confirmed. When I have a couple hundred games on Steam I'm never going to uninstall the client. And I don't really want two or 3 of these game store clients installed on my computer.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

This isn't about customer service though, this is about getting people to use the store and buy games.

Like it or not, this is a form of competition - a direct brute force type of competition, but competition nevertheless. It also doesn't matter if your storefront is shit if your storefront is the only storefront the product is available on, their goal is to break the mindset that Steam is the place you can get all the games except for publisher exclusives like EA and Actiblizzard.

Epic is planning for the long haul here, they're willing to make a loss on products for, as far as I can tell, at least 2 years in order to force direct competition to Steam. They don't need a "good" storefront yet because that isn't what will get people to move, but in time the lack of a proper storefront with the same fidelity as Steam will prove a bigger and bigger bugbear.

I disagree. This is about all aspects of this industry. What Epic is doing is an over reaching pendulum shift. The Developers absolutely deserve more revenue. We're all a hundred percent about that.

But we're talking about a service that doesn't deign it necessary to have a shopping cart, but will ban people for buying too much. We're talking about a service that thinks it takes too much work to have a friend list. A service that has taken kickstarted games that people have paid for and bought exclusivity, breaking the promises that people literally bought into. Epic is going to make an Opt-out review system on its store, so customers can't speak their mind.

The Epic store is not as good to customers as steam is to their customers. That doesn't make it a competition. It makes it a strong-armer, on par with the Mafia. And I realize that I'm getting into semantics and personal meaning. But competition is creating a service that actually competes with what the other party is offering. Epic Games Store has not done that yet. It's just another place to buy games.

This is about Epic trea

 

[gyrobot_v1legacy]

The thing is, trying to compete with Steam is going to be rough for anyone as every bought product is kind of like customer loyalty confirmed. When I have a couple hundred games on Steam I'm never going to uninstall the client. And I don't really want two or 3 of these game store clients installed on my computer.

Their strategy works with devs because devs dont want a publisher associated with terrible games and perverted stuff. The epic store is so far at least curated and will only consist of people with money to burn and not the same audience that goes to Niche or their sister sites

 

[Worgen]

This isn't about customer service though, this is about getting people to use the store and buy games.

Like it or not, this is a form of competition - a direct brute force type of competition, but competition nevertheless. It also doesn't matter if your storefront is shit if your storefront is the only storefront the product is available on, their goal is to break the mindset that Steam is the place you can get all the games except for publisher exclusives like EA and Actiblizzard.

Epic is planning for the long haul here, they're willing to make a loss on products for, as far as I can tell, at least 2 years in order to force direct competition to Steam. They don't need a "good" storefront yet because that isn't what will get people to move, but in time the lack of a proper storefront with the same fidelity as Steam will prove a bigger and bigger bugbear.

I disagree. This is about all aspects of this industry. What Epic is doing is an over reaching pendulum shift. The Developers absolutely deserve more revenue. We're all a hundred percent about that.

But we're talking about a service that doesn't deign it necessary to have a shopping cart, but will ban people for buying too much. We're talking about a service that thinks it takes too much work to have a friend list. A service that has taken kickstarted games that people have paid for and bought exclusivity, breaking the promises that people literally bought into. Epic is going to make an Opt-out review system on its store, so customers can't speak their mind.

The Epic store is not as good to customers as steam is to their customers. That doesn't make it a competition. It makes it a strong-armer, on par with the Mafia. And I realize that I'm getting into semantics and personal meaning. But competition is creating a service that actually competes with what the other party is offering. Epic Games Store has not done that yet. It's just another place to buy games.

This is about Epic trea

Pretty much all the actions epic is taking while trying to get market share prove that we should never allow them to take over the pc gaming market since they will make sure nothing can challenge them. Steam might be huge but it isn't demanding of the games on its service.

 

[Kyrian007]

How exactly are we getting a better deal by having Epic bribing publishers to not put their games on steam? All they're doing is forcing people to buy games on a far inferior platform and that's it.

By establishing themselves as actual competition they will force Steam to increase customer satisfaction in order to retain sales that might otherwise end up with Epic. We are not quit there yet, as Epic is still in the phase were they must establish their claim of being a competitor (hence all the exclusive deals, to bring customers in), but give it a year or two at this rate and Steam will have to change or see their monopoly going to Epic. When Steam starts reacting, customers start winning.

How? Every single customer complain you could level against steam epic as the same problem, and then many more. The only one you could kinda do is that the epic store has less crap release on it, but that's not really a problem.

It also depends on what each one of us considers "a problem." You might not be bothered by Steam's lack of curation, but I consider it to be a massive problem. People complain about Epic's lack of a shopping cart... I laugh. I buy games one at a time, I don't have huge amounts of disposable income to dump on a half dozen games splurge, I'm not a teen spending mommy and daddy's money... a shopping cart isn't a big deal. Epic can add that whenever, it isn't important. Ditto with their security problems banning people for "too many purchases." That's rich people and kids problems, I don't give a shit. People complain about Epic's lack of user reviews... really. As if there aren't a billion places online where you can find user and (far more importantly) critical reviews. Epic's lack of reviews doesn't bother me because I possess enough skill to use this thing called a "search engine."

Steam on the other hand, wants my money and will flood their marketplace with scammers broken asset flips and cheap ripoff games to get it. That makes Steam complicit with those scammers attempts to defraud consumers. Until they kick out every single "developer" that is just as bad, (and here's the trigger quote) Steam is no better than Digital Homicide. So to me even though Epic has a much less polished service... the curation issue is so much more important to me... I'll say it, Epic as a service is better than Steam right now.

See, its just a matter of what each person considers important. To me, curation is way more important than a lack of storefront features I DON'T USE. People complain about Epic's "scummy tactics" buying exclusives. I just find Steam's complicity with scammers and asset flippers to be a way more "scummy" cash grab.

 

[meiam]

How exactly are we getting a better deal by having Epic bribing publishers to not put their games on steam? All they're doing is forcing people to buy games on a far inferior platform and that's it.

By establishing themselves as actual competition they will force Steam to increase customer satisfaction in order to retain sales that might otherwise end up with Epic. We are not quit there yet, as Epic is still in the phase were they must establish their claim of being a competitor (hence all the exclusive deals, to bring customers in), but give it a year or two at this rate and Steam will have to change or see their monopoly going to Epic. When Steam starts reacting, customers start winning.

How? Every single customer complain you could level against steam epic as the same problem, and then many more. The only one you could kinda do is that the epic store has less crap release on it, but that's not really a problem.

It also depends on what each one of us considers "a problem." You might not be bothered by Steam's lack of curation, but I consider it to be a massive problem. People complain about Epic's lack of a shopping cart... I laugh. I buy games one at a time, I don't have huge amounts of disposable income to dump on a half dozen games splurge, I'm not a teen spending mommy and daddy's money... a shopping cart isn't a big deal. Epic can add that whenever, it isn't important. Ditto with their security problems banning people for "too many purchases." That's rich people and kids problems, I don't give a shit. People complain about Epic's lack of user reviews... really. As if there aren't a billion places online where you can find user and (far more importantly) critical reviews. Epic's lack of reviews doesn't bother me because I possess enough skill to use this thing called a "search engine."

Steam on the other hand, wants my money and will flood their marketplace with scammers broken asset flips and cheap ripoff games to get it. That makes Steam complicit with those scammers attempts to defraud consumers. Until they kick out every single "developer" that is just as bad, (and here's the trigger quote) Steam is no better than Digital Homicide. So to me even though Epic has a much less polished service... the curation issue is so much more important to me... I'll say it, Epic as a service is better than Steam right now.

See, its just a matter of what each person considers important. To me, curation is way more important than a lack of storefront features I DON'T USE. People complain about Epic's "scummy tactics" buying exclusives. I just find Steam's complicity with scammers and asset flippers to be a way more "scummy" cash grab.

But if you only care about few big budget/impact game (which is what epic does) you can just browse the "new and popular" portion of steam or the best seller list, that's essentially curation, yeah they have a bunch of other game in the back, but you don't have to worry about that.

Finding which game is an asset flip is insanely easy, they all look the same and they have a few terrible user review (something which epic lack). You also can refund the game after 2 hour of playtime and if the game is so scummy you should be able to notice it's an asset flip in that 2 hours. I literally go trough the entire section of new release game on steam everyday and never once brought an asset flip or scummy game, in over 600 purchase. You say you can use search engine to look for your own review... why can't you do that before buying a game on steam?

 

[Kyrian007]

But if you only care about few big budget/impact game (which is what epic does) you can just browse the "new and popular" portion of steam or the best seller list, that's essentially curation, yeah they have a bunch of other game in the back, but you don't have to worry about that.

Finding which game is an asset flip is insanely easy, they all look the same and they have a few terrible user review (something which epic lack). You also can refund the game after 2 hour of playtime and if the game is so scummy you should be able to notice it's an asset flip in that 2 hours. I literally go trough the entire section of new release game on steam everyday and never once brought an asset flip or scummy game, in over 600 purchase. You say you can use search engine to look for your own review... why can't you do that before buying a game on steam?

That's not curation, that's asking the end user to curate the storefront themselves and that doesn't solve the underlying problem. I've never had a problem finding something on Steam or avoiding the piles of garbage on the service. The point is Valve's "got mine" indifference to that sort of thing happening on their storefront in the first place. The indifference to doing business with scammers and even asset stealing criminals just because it is an easy buck. I just don't see anything Epic has done yet as being worse than that. Yet anyway, they are a corporation just like Valve and will screw over the customer to make a quick buck just as fast in the long run. But so far their tactic of "we have to throw some money around to compete with Steam," still isn't as bad as Valve's acceptance of garbage and scams on their store. Just because you and I aren't buying the asset flip trash doesn't mean SOMEONE isn't getting scammed. The bad devs wouldn't bother dumping the flood of games that make the storefront these days if they weren't profiting from doing so. Meanwhile indie devs who actually have decent games that have some thought and talent behind them get absolutely drowned by the weight of all the garbage on Steam. Who knows how many "could have been the next big thing" creators we never saw because the same week they released some jackass scammer released 8 unity asset flips under 4 sockpuppet dev fronts.
Basically, I see a lot of fanboys throwing hate at Epic and turning a VERY blind eye to Valve's shady tactics. But despite all the complaints, some pretty valid even, I haven't seen anybody point to a single thing Epic has done that is worse than Steam's lack of curation.

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

The thing about the epic story is people think it's the same as console exclusivity. They say what about Mario, what about Halo, what about God of War. The thing is those were first party titles made for you to buy their consoles. Console exclusive are a necessary evil to get good games because competition breeds creativity. What epic is doing is holding games ransom for as long as they can. These games would still exist if epic bribe the develop or not. It's a bullshit scummy practice. No one was bitching when Fortnite was made Epic store exclusive because they made that game.

 

[meiam]

But if you only care about few big budget/impact game (which is what epic does) you can just browse the "new and popular" portion of steam or the best seller list, that's essentially curation, yeah they have a bunch of other game in the back, but you don't have to worry about that.

Finding which game is an asset flip is insanely easy, they all look the same and they have a few terrible user review (something which epic lack). You also can refund the game after 2 hour of playtime and if the game is so scummy you should be able to notice it's an asset flip in that 2 hours. I literally go trough the entire section of new release game on steam everyday and never once brought an asset flip or scummy game, in over 600 purchase. You say you can use search engine to look for your own review... why can't you do that before buying a game on steam?

That's not curation, that's asking the end user to curate the storefront themselves and that doesn't solve the underlying problem. I've never had a problem finding something on Steam or avoiding the piles of garbage on the service. The point is Valve's "got mine" indifference to that sort of thing happening on their storefront in the first place. The indifference to doing business with scammers and even asset stealing criminals just because it is an easy buck. I just don't see anything Epic has done yet as being worse than that. Yet anyway, they are a corporation just like Valve and will screw over the customer to make a quick buck just as fast in the long run. But so far their tactic of "we have to throw some money around to compete with Steam," still isn't as bad as Valve's acceptance of garbage and scams on their store. Just because you and I aren't buying the asset flip trash doesn't mean SOMEONE isn't getting scammed. The bad devs wouldn't bother dumping the flood of games that make the storefront these days if they weren't profiting from doing so. Meanwhile indie devs who actually have decent games that have some thought and talent behind them get absolutely drowned by the weight of all the garbage on Steam. Who knows how many "could have been the next big thing" creators we never saw because the same week they released some jackass scammer released 8 unity asset flips under 4 sockpuppet dev fronts.
Basically, I see a lot of fanboys throwing hate at Epic and turning a VERY blind eye to Valve's shady tactics. But despite all the complaints, some pretty valid even, I haven't seen anybody point to a single thing Epic has done that is worse than Steam's lack of curation.

But the "could have been the next big thing" game literally will never be release on the epic store... That's how curation work in the first place. Epic will obviously not have armies of play tester to go trough every single game submitted to them, they just go by general buzz and reputation and if a game has those things then being release alongside shovel ware doesn't matter at all. And the scammer and asset flip don't really screw over anyone, there game barely sell cause they look terrible and are obviously awful, the only people who'd buy those are people who just compulsively buy everything, curation isn't going to stop those. Do you think casual gamer go on steam and look up obscure game with 3 review to buy? No, they buy the big advertised game.

 

[Kyrian007]

But the "could have been the next big thing" game literally will never be release on the epic store... That's how curation work in the first place.

Never been there yet have you? 90% of their content is indie releases looking for an audience. And I imagine the devs are pretty happy being on a storefront and not buried under asset flips and scams.

Epic will obviously not have armies of play tester to go trough every single game submitted to them, they just go by general buzz and reputation and if a game has those things then being release alongside shovel ware doesn't matter at all.

Except... they already do more to curate than Steam. Any effort in curation is more than Steam does.

And the scammer and asset flip don't really screw over anyone, there game barely sell cause they look terrible and are obviously awful, the only people who'd buy those are people who just compulsively buy everything, curation isn't going to stop those.

Yeah, who else besides compulsive spenders could they screw over (since we are just ignoring people who obviously have a problem with spending, screw them right?) could it also be that children could easily be exploited into buying asset flips? Or anyone with a diminished mental capacity who could also be scammed? Lets just not do anything to help them right? And curation won't help? That's particularly stupid, if Steam were properly curated THE SCAM GAMES AND ASSET FLIPS WOULDN'T BE THERE TO BUY AT ALL. That wouldn't JUST help, it would SOLVE the problem.

Do you think casual gamer go on steam and look up obscure game with 3 review to buy? No, they buy the big advertised game.

No, but do you think every gamer only ever buys big AAA titles? That there aren't some of us that are looking for something different and experimental, and would have an easier time finding what we are looking for if it isn't buried under the mountains of trash on Steam.

 

[Kyrian007]

The thing about the epic story is people think it's the same as console exclusivity. They say what about Mario, what about Halo, what about God of War. The thing is those were first party titles made for you to buy their consoles. Console exclusive are a necessary evil to get good games because competition breeds creativity. What epic is doing is holding games ransom for as long as they can. These games would still exist if epic bribe the develop or not. It's a bullshit scummy practice. No one was bitching when Fortnite was made Epic store exclusive because they made that game.

Interesting that you point out that comparing it to console exclusivity is apples and oranges. In console exclusives (your "necessary" evil) the exclusive game is there to entice the gamer to buy a $500 console (or whatever the usually high cost is.) Epic's exclusives are enticing you to... oh yeah, download a free storefront application. You're right, you can't compare those two things at all.

 

[meiam]

But the "could have been the next big thing" game literally will never be release on the epic store... That's how curation work in the first place.

Never been there yet have you? 90% of their content is indie releases looking for an audience. And I imagine the devs are pretty happy being on a storefront and not buried under asset flips and scams.

Epic will obviously not have armies of play tester to go trough every single game submitted to them, they just go by general buzz and reputation and if a game has those things then being release alongside shovel ware doesn't matter at all.

Except... they already do more to curate than Steam. Any effort in curation is more than Steam does.

And the scammer and asset flip don't really screw over anyone, there game barely sell cause they look terrible and are obviously awful, the only people who'd buy those are people who just compulsively buy everything, curation isn't going to stop those.

Yeah, who else besides compulsive spenders could they screw over (since we are just ignoring people who obviously have a problem with spending, screw them right?) could it also be that children could easily be exploited into buying asset flips? Or anyone with a diminished mental capacity who could also be scammed? Lets just not do anything to help them right? And curation won't help? That's particularly stupid, if Steam were properly curated THE SCAM GAMES AND ASSET FLIPS WOULDN'T BE THERE TO BUY AT ALL. That wouldn't JUST help, it would SOLVE the problem.

Do you think casual gamer go on steam and look up obscure game with 3 review to buy? No, they buy the big advertised game.

No, but do you think every gamer only ever buys big AAA titles? That there aren't some of us that are looking for something different and experimental, and would have an easier time finding what we are looking for if it isn't buried under the mountains of trash on Steam.

I mean its hard to search the epic game store cause it's interface is somehow even worse than steam but I've heard of almost every game on the front page, the only one I didn't are because they're exclusive to the epic store and as such almost nobody is playing them and so they get no coverage. Every other indie game that also are on steam have got some coverage because, shock of all shock, decent game easily stand out from asset flip and it literally doesn't matter how many crap game release alongside a title.

Let's make a comparison, on the steam store at the moment in the new and trending category on the front page I have: Chippy, Blaster master zero, ideology in friction, god wars the complete legion, seed of resilience, contra anniversary edition, american truck simulator-washington, revolver bootleg, octopath traveler, ordeal of princess eris. That's 10 game, A whopping 7 of them are from small indie dev, 1 is a mid weight dev (devolver) and only 2 are from big shoot name. Zero of those are scummy asset flip.

Now epic doesn't have anything like new and trending (again, awful interface), but in order the game on the storefront are (I'll denote with asterisk small indie): cyberpunk, borderland 3, grift lands alpha*, Shenmue 3, bloodline 2, watchdog legion, gods & monster, ghost recon breakpoint, the outer worlds, the sojourn*, oxygen not included*, falcon age*, hades, anno 1800, far cry primal, ghost recon wild land, watchdog 2, division 2, journey, omen of sorrow*, trover save the universe*, operencia the stolen sun*. I should note, many of those games are just up for pre purchase but still occupy front page (not scummy at all). Notice how much longer the epic store list is before you have the same number of indie? How does this help indie exactly? And how does the shovel ware cause problem? To see the shovel ware on steam you have to go down the page, click on new release, scroll down and then click on new release tab again, you have to go pass over hundreds of game before you even see them. You're telling me those game somehow cloud out the indie that would otherwise make it to the epic game store just fine? You're telling me that vulnerable people will somehow ignore all the other games and home in straight to the shovel ware?

Again, they don't do curation, they buy game that already have coverage, this does nothing whatsoever to help small indie dev that aren't known. Because if they aren't known, they're not going to get scouted by epic, if they are known, they don't have to worry about standing out from the shovel ware. This is a situation where epic strategy help no one.

If you want experimental game, epic game store (or any curated store) is the worse place to find them because epic strategy isn't curation at all, it just lock the door to the little guy with no regard to whether they're experimental or scummy.

 

[Kyrian007]

I mean its hard to search the epic game store cause it's interface is somehow even worse than steam...

Hard to search? Their store page has every game they offer on it, you can see them all by scrolling through them. It takes less than 60 seconds. None are scam games with no executable files or stolen assets or just asset flips. You may say they are "locking out the little guy" but that seems to be achieved by locking out everyone that hasn't made a complete, rewarding in some fashion, worthy experience.

Yes, they don't have a massive game library yet. As they get larger their store will have to get easier to navigate and the cracks will probably start to show if they don't improve quickly enough. But, not allowing every scumbag with 100 bucks and a stolen rip-off game space on the storefront is going to give them some time to get it figured out. It took Steam time to figure things out. How many years of begging did it take to get a return policy, or was that just a finally necessary reaction to their cash grab of allowing scammers to peddle on the store? Condoning fraudulent and even criminal activity as long as they got to wet their beak, a line that Epic has yet to cross.

Really all I'm finding out is that Steam fanboys are like Trump backers, they seem to be physically unable to acknowledge Valve's wrongdoing in their quest to stamp out anyone trying to compete with them. I use Steam, my most recent game purchase was on Steam. I haven't purchased one of Epic's exclusives yet, but now that I've seen the fanboy hate against Epic... I'm going to just out of spite. I'm not a huge Borderlands fan, I so far have always waited for a pretty significant price drop before getting a Borderlands game. But because its exclusive and people hate Epic so much... I'll get BL3 during the exclusive period. And if its any good, I'm coming back here to tell EVERYONE how much FUN it is. Just to annoy and BASK in all the hate. Maybe even throw out some plot spoilers. I'll use the tags, but some people will still get spoiled. Some just can't resist clicking on the spoiler.

Man I hope its good. I couldn't bring myself to praise it if it is just meh.

 

[Kwak]

...Just to annoy and BASK in all the hate. ...

Man I hope its good. I couldn't bring myself to praise it if it is just meh.

What, not even out of spite?

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Really all I'm finding out is that Steam fanboys are like Trump backers, they seem to be physically unable to acknowledge Valve's wrongdoing in their quest to stamp out anyone trying to compete with them. I use Steam, my most recent game purchase was on Steam. I haven't purchased one of Epic's exclusives yet, but now that I've seen the fanboy hate against Epic... I'm going to just out of spite. I'm not a huge Borderlands fan, I so far have always waited for a pretty significant price drop before getting a Borderlands game. But because its exclusive and people hate Epic so much... I'll get BL3 during the exclusive period. And if its any good, I'm coming back here to tell EVERYONE how much FUN it is. Just to annoy and BASK in all the hate. Maybe even throw out some plot spoilers. I'll use the tags, but some people will still get spoiled. Some just can't resist clicking on the spoiler.

Man I hope its good. I couldn't bring myself to praise it if it is just meh.

I'm sorry to insert myself in your conversation, but can you show us these fanboys you're talking about? Even I who dislike what the Epic Store has become has said over and over that Steam needs true Competition. I haven't seen one person say that Steam needs to be the one and only king.

Just that Steam does X better and they wish Epic did it as well. But of course, you might have seen something we have not and I for one am interested in seeing more of your point of view.

... However, yeah, if they are as bad as what you say, how has spite ever solved anything that happened in the history of humans? I get frustration. But it causes as many problems as whatever the original grievance did.

 

[Worgen]

Really all I'm finding out is that Steam fanboys are like Trump backers, they seem to be physically unable to acknowledge Valve's wrongdoing in their quest to stamp out anyone trying to compete with them. I use Steam, my most recent game purchase was on Steam. I haven't purchased one of Epic's exclusives yet, but now that I've seen the fanboy hate against Epic... I'm going to just out of spite. I'm not a huge Borderlands fan, I so far have always waited for a pretty significant price drop before getting a Borderlands game. But because its exclusive and people hate Epic so much... I'll get BL3 during the exclusive period. And if its any good, I'm coming back here to tell EVERYONE how much FUN it is. Just to annoy and BASK in all the hate. Maybe even throw out some plot spoilers. I'll use the tags, but some people will still get spoiled. Some just can't resist clicking on the spoiler.

Man I hope its good. I couldn't bring myself to praise it if it is just meh.

So what wrongdoing has Steam done in pursuit of conquering the pc world? Cause it doesn't look like they are locking games into being exclusive, or stopping publishers from including their own launchers or even locking much content out of their store. We even saw hatred get taken down by an overzealous steam mod then reinstated when it became apparent that despite the bad press, it wasn't violating steams policies. As far as I can see really the only argument you can really have against steam is the cut they take and the fact they don't curate their store really at all with a few exceptions.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

So what wrongdoing has Steam done in pursuit of conquering the pc world?

A LOT of this seems to hinge on the conceit of "If Steam gets knocked down then Valve has to get back to making Half-Life games".