"That action did not warrant those evil points!"

[Nigh Invulnerable]

Fallout 3, I stole a key to a basement from a family of cannibals. And the basement was full of chopped up dead bodies which the cannibals planned to eat later. And the cannibals were about to try and kill me so they could eat me too. And I had been told to steal the key so I could find this all out and there was no other way to infiltrate the basement. Apparently this act produces negative karma. Explain.

In mass effect games being slightly polite is considered paragon. Explain.

I didn't really understand that quest's morality either (Fallout 3). I think I also somehow made the hometown of the kid I was trying to rescue from the cannibals hate me too by doing that. It made zero sense.

 

[King of the Sandbox]

RDR has this one right, because you can buy a bandana, that when used freezes your fame/notoriety which is good.

although once i wasn't wearing it, and heard a woman scream as she was being kidnapped.

i go into dead eye to shoot the guy in the face, and accidentaly mark her head aswell. i kill her and my good meter goes down (i'm playing as a good guy this time).

for one, it was an accident.
for two, she was gonna be raped and then murdered, why is stoppping the rape bad?

I've tried, on two occasions, to rescue a woman being threatened in the street, but I think I'm doing something wrong, because when I throw my lasso to rope the guy, other people standing around start shooting at me, so I kneecap them all, tie them up, and leave them there to think about what they've done. I've only lost honor for it once, which was odd when I gained it the second time. /shrugs

 

[LWS666]

RDR has this one right, because you can buy a bandana, that when used freezes your fame/notoriety which is good.

although once i wasn't wearing it, and heard a woman scream as she was being kidnapped.

i go into dead eye to shoot the guy in the face, and accidentaly mark her head aswell. i kill her and my good meter goes down (i'm playing as a good guy this time).

for one, it was an accident.
for two, she was gonna be raped and then murdered, why is stoppping the rape bad?

I've tried, on two occasions, to rescue a woman being threatened in the street, but I think I'm doing something wrong, because when I throw my lasso to rope the guy, other people standing around start shooting at me, so I kneecap them all, tie them up, and leave them there to think about what they've done. I've only lost honor for it once, which was odd when I gained it the second time. /shrugs

i don't think you can lasso the guy while he's holding the girl, i always just dead eye their face. it gains me honor though.

 

[King of the Sandbox]

RDR has this one right, because you can buy a bandana, that when used freezes your fame/notoriety which is good.

although once i wasn't wearing it, and heard a woman scream as she was being kidnapped.

i go into dead eye to shoot the guy in the face, and accidentaly mark her head aswell. i kill her and my good meter goes down (i'm playing as a good guy this time).

for one, it was an accident.
for two, she was gonna be raped and then murdered, why is stoppping the rape bad?

I've tried, on two occasions, to rescue a woman being threatened in the street, but I think I'm doing something wrong, because when I throw my lasso to rope the guy, other people standing around start shooting at me, so I kneecap them all, tie them up, and leave them there to think about what they've done. I've only lost honor for it once, which was odd when I gained it the second time. /shrugs

i don't think you can lasso the guy while he's holding the girl, i always just dead eye their face. it gains me honor though.

I suppose I could, but in this playthrough, I'm being the white knight stereotype. I go through great lengths (read as; heavy gunfire) to hogtie baddies instead of killing them. Now, if they force my hand, then yeah, I'll wing 'em, but I try my best not to kill anyone if I can help it.

Besides, I've both successfully and unsuccessfully roped him during his attack, so I dunno what the deal is. Maybe it was just a glitch.

 

[Straz]

Killing Tenpenny in his tower in Fallout 3.
He might have been evil, but I killed him before I knew that, thus gauss rifle blasting him of the top of a tower to a long and stressful fall, that eventually leads to a quick plop on the concrete below was considered to be a good act, and a example to children everywhere.

Which I wasn't to shy to show off again, might I say.

Mm yeah my friend patrick originally hit him in the head with a sniper, blew off his head (didn't get the full 100 caps, buggy damn quest) and then having killed him, proceeded to drag his corpse off the balcony and release it to the ...long... fall to the courtyard below.

And the curious thing is, I'm not sure if the security guards noticed...

 

[LWS666]

RDR has this one right, because you can buy a bandana, that when used freezes your fame/notoriety which is good.

although once i wasn't wearing it, and heard a woman scream as she was being kidnapped.

i go into dead eye to shoot the guy in the face, and accidentaly mark her head aswell. i kill her and my good meter goes down (i'm playing as a good guy this time).

for one, it was an accident.
for two, she was gonna be raped and then murdered, why is stoppping the rape bad?

I've tried, on two occasions, to rescue a woman being threatened in the street, but I think I'm doing something wrong, because when I throw my lasso to rope the guy, other people standing around start shooting at me, so I kneecap them all, tie them up, and leave them there to think about what they've done. I've only lost honor for it once, which was odd when I gained it the second time. /shrugs

i don't think you can lasso the guy while he's holding the girl, i always just dead eye their face. it gains me honor though.

I suppose I could, but in this playthrough, I'm being the white knight stereotype. I go through great lengths (read as; heavy gunfire) to hogtie baddies instead of killing them. Now, if they force my hand, then yeah, I'll wing 'em, but I try my best not to kill anyone if I can help it.

Besides, I've both successfully and unsuccessfully roped him during his attack, so I dunno what the deal is. Maybe it was just a glitch.

try knee-capping him so he dropps her, then lasso and hogtie him when he gets back up.

 

[Byzantinium]

Why is anybody in Megaton going to be happy (or even ambivalent) that some jerk strolls in from the Wasteland and murders an important citizen? Simms threatens you when you walk in for the first time just for that reason. Moriarty was a scumbag, but he wasn't a murderer like you. "Better the devil you know" and all that.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

I was playing RDR the other day, allow me to set the scene: I was travelling between Armadillo and Gaptooth Ridge when I hear gunshots. Thinking that someone could be shooting at me I look around for the muzzle flashes, and quickly locate two guys halfway up a rise to the left of the road. Upon closer inspection they're not firing at me, however, but at each other. "Oh cool," thinks I "this is a duel, I'll watch." - which I do. Now, when I get off my horse to loot the body of the eventual loser (opportunist ftw), the winner calmly walks up to MY horse, climbs on it, and begins riding off! "Screw this," thinks I "no bugger nicks my horse!" - so I shoot him in the back of the head. And lose 50 honor! The guy stole MY horse and I lose honor for stopping him!

 

[Tallim]

The whole moral system pretty much never works in games. It is supposed to be judging your character but it is actually keeping a record of you as a gamer. Which is why it feels wrong so many times.

Reputations makes sense and I believe Fallout 2 had seperate reputations for different locations. So you could be loved in one place and hated in another.

Add into it that a truely good person would have issues with doing evil deeds. The first time they killed someone would be mentally scarring. Whereas an evil person doing something good wouldn't be equally affected.

 

[Superior Mind]

Oh man, I know exactly what you mean.

Playing Kotor, killing people netted me Dark Side points, but it didn't give me Light Side points for NOT killing people. What's up with that?

'Cause... you know.. not killing people is the norm. It's not particularly good to "not kill" people, it's just.. I get the feeling youre joking and I'm not catching on.

Either way, I've never considered one of my many positive traits as being, as a general rule, a person who doesn't kill other people.

 

[Nick of Blades]

I shot a guy when it looked like he was going to rape some chick in RDR, and got -50 honor, explain that one.

The same thing happened to me when I saved a woman who was being stAabbed by shooting the guy who was stabbing her. WTF?

 

[Brandon237]

Oh man, I know exactly what you mean.

Playing Kotor, killing people netted me Dark Side points, but it didn't give me Light Side points for NOT killing people. What's up with that?

I know, although getting a specific alignment in the Kotor games has never been very hard so I don't complain. The whole moral choice system is entirely according to the morals of the devs, which is questionable at best. I find that mercy and generosity in any game heavily over-compensate for the inevitable mass murder. I fallout 3 I switched alignment every few hours for reasons I can no longer explain.

 

[EclipseoftheDarkSun]

Moira brown, doc church, lucas simms and the restaurant says hi. Someone could've easily taken over the saloon anyway.

But he's the only one with more than a modicum of sense about him regarding the outside world, and how to deal with it.

Well, him and Jericho. Lucas Simms? Maybe a little, but the Regulators are about as useful as a transparent umbrella in the desert.

And Nova takes over the saloon when Moriarty dies.

Funny you should mention the Regulators, one time I chose to roleplay as one. Their philosophy of killing all evil people and accepting no surrender from any lawbreakers made me a merciless upholder of order in a place where just surviving might require breaking the law. Sure I shut down the slaver stronghold in Paradise Falls but I also went out and murdered the reformed slaver turned shopkeep in Rivet City for his past. The incongrous part is that this self appointed sheriff of unsolicitied death probably killed more people then the raiders could even dream of, and yet was still considered very good to basically being called a messiah.

Well, you know what they say..

Kill a man and you're a murderer.
Kill thousands and you're a conqueror.
Kill them all and you're a God.