Um, no it's not. They are two very different entities who were formed for very different reasons.Sulu said:
I'm not saying either of them are right, just that it is important to recognise they are not similar.
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I'm not saying either of them are right, just that it is important to recognise they are not similar.
If you mean the Irish war of inderpendance in the twenties than fair enough. If your still supporting the IRA after the 1973 referendum then something is badly wrong.lewism247 said:
2012 Wont Happen said:
Meh, Both the IRA and the Taliban are insurgent movements, both target soldiers and civilians. While both where religious, the taliban are a good deal more so, both where funded and supplied by America at some point. The real difference is that the Taliban are a lot more deadly and dangerous.
You don't know how estatic I was reading the thread title. You're a misleading bastard and you should feel bad. I mean how could you do that to me, I was led to believe the worlds most... I don't think words can describe her really, but, to think for a brief moment, she had died, then I find out it's a motherfucking cat. Man... that's just poor form.
Awww. I even went to the trouble of finding "Celebrate Good Times" on YouTube ready to embed.
Damn You.
Damn You.
Never really got why people hated her so much. I'd take her over the current leadership in a heartbeat.
Sulu said:
Someone needs to hit their history books harder. The IRA don't try too injure civilians, that's why when they planted bombs in the UK they informed the UK authorities a bomb would be going off so no innocents would be hurt. The IRA defended the Republic of Ireland from the BA and the Ulster Force, they were fighting a good fight and the media supported side would of commited and still does commit war crimes as big as they ever did. They are fighting for a good cause, Ireland should be one country and what England, Oliver Cromwell and folks did to Ireland is just disgusting. Take for example, the potatoe famine, which was like a holocaust of the Irish in terms of numbers of innocents dead, they could grow enough to feed themselves, however while England were in there laying the smackdown they took all Irelands produce and sold it, not allowing them any for themselves.Nickolai77 said:
It's a very hard subject to take a side on, and I won't say I'm pro IRA in that some of the things they've done (Almost killing my father) are questionable, but comparing them to the Taliban, that's just uniformed.
Chav culture is pretty much on her shoulders.NickCooely said:
Aye, i agree that was a horrible atrocity. The sad thing is that things like that happen in war all the time.lewism247 said:
Unfortuantly for you.. the vast majority of the Northern Irish wanted to stay part of the UK, the referendum settled that. The British soldiers in Northern Ireland where defending the population from terrorism, therefore i see their cause as just. The activitys of both loyalist and republican insurgents is off less repute.-Orgasmatron- said:
Oliver Cromwell was a bastard i completly agree, and the English colinisation of Ireland leaves much to be desired. Potato Famine yes, was a trajedy, however i think the Irish should blame the English Landlords rather than the British government, after all the British government did attempt to help, just not very well because we have never exprienced a famine since the 13th century. At any rate, i do not see how these past injustices justify the acts of the IRA in the 1970's.
This is also coming from someone who's ancestors also suffered through the potato famine. i'm no bias source of opinion.
My socialist Scottish teacher said on our first day of class that he hates Margaret Thatcher. He also told us at the begginning of the class that there would be some socialist indoctrination in his class. I didn't take it seriously until he started going on about George W. Bush and woman being used as objects, and all this really socialist stuff. Then, at some point, he asked the class if anyone was a really right wing person and wanted to debate him on George W. Bush. He said "well that's pretty much the norm isn't it, because this is Alberta." And at another class when the metric system was being talked about he said that the only country backwards enough to still use Imperial was the U.S.. He then added that it was also still somewhat used in Canada, especially Alberta. He then said that metric is the common measuring system "in the more progressive East."
I found a lot of it funny, but can anyone tell me what things were like back then? He clearly HATES conservatism. What exactly was going on in the U.K.? He also told us that he would hold British jokes until later, maybe when the British student in our class doesn't show up one time...
Anyway, what the hell did she do exactly?
I found a lot of it funny, but can anyone tell me what things were like back then? He clearly HATES conservatism. What exactly was going on in the U.K.? He also told us that he would hold British jokes until later, maybe when the British student in our class doesn't show up one time...
Anyway, what the hell did she do exactly?
I apprciate you are well read in this and I agree with you on alot of what you wrote. Although the first paragraph about the Northen Irish wanting to stay in the UK, that's strictly to do with sectarianism which is deep in a lot of Northern Irish and Republic of Irish peoples minds, although the logic behind it is about as worthy as the logic of the BNP. Personally I think the best thing to happen would be Ireland uniting and joining the UK, although I think a lot of what the IRA has done, although it proves a point, has just raied an incredible amount of tension between Protestants and Catholics which will mean the chances of a united Ireland are incredibly slim.Nickolai77 said:
On a side note, I really hate writing Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland as my mother is from the North and my father from the South, but I just consider myself Irish, I can't stand those seperating terms.
But yea, I do get what you're saying and I think it's just a personal opinion on which we disagree and that can't be helped. Although saying the IRA are the same as the Taliban, I don't think that's right man. Happy to talk more about it with you though, as it is a rariety on the internet that you actually get some intelligent and informed conversation.
I think you have to live in the UK to really feel the effect that she gave on the country, I mean, it wasn't like George Bush right wingism were he walked in, shook his cock around and started a few wars, she was real harsh. So many people lost their jobs due to her policies. She basically went all out to enforce rugged individualism which meant giving the big rich buisness men all the breaks they wanted while telling the working class to fight among themselves. This just lead to a generation of high unemployment and lack of community which can be felt even now by just walking through a council estate.Lonan said:
But the dog shit bullet throught the eyes was poll tax. I think she would of got away not being so hated if she had just left it at what I talked about in the previous paragraph, but what has made her really hated, she brought in a tax which gave no account of the person ability to pay, I think it was £1,000 a year, although it could of been £2,000, either way, it meant a person living off their £60 pension had to pay a large sum of the money every year and a person making one million a year had to pay the same amount. I won't talk anymore about it, instead, just watch this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdVquOmFJ0U
That's pretty much what killed her.
-Orgasmatron- said:
I may be a little unimformed but I just watched a program on the soldiers who were sent to Northern Ireland a few days ago. Did they not go in as peacekeepers between the Catholics and Protestants. As they were peacekeepers and not combatants they had very restrictive rules of engagement such as having to should "Halt put down your weapon" three times if somebody was aiming a gun at them. It is easy to lable the soldiers as bad but they went there to stop the Irish from killing each other over a religion!
Please don't use Cromwell in your argument, suprisingly he isn't in power, died 400 years ago and formed the basis for parliament today. You really have to question the Irish if they do still feel angry over something that occured 400 years ago, the English don't still whine about viking raiders or the Normans. It is just like the Afghans still talk about the British invasion of Afghanistan as if that happened yesterday, not 200 years ago. See the IRA and Taliban are more closely related than you probably like to admit.
It is lucky however that the rest of Europe don't blame Germany for starting two world wars, if the IRA were in charge of Europe I guess there would be endless war for at least 400 years until they got over it.
Admittedly I know next to nothing about Thatcher, but why all the hate? I just thought the story was amusing!
Even fucking Ronald Reagan and the US gov was a bit scared of her, so at the very least I respect her. Doesn't mean I like her.
Not a very good example of a female PM.GrinningManiac said:
Do you happen to be retarded aswell?lewism247 said:
And here I was getting ready for streamers and a ticker tape parade.
I don't like her, and that's putting it mildly.
I don't like her, and that's putting it mildly.