The $16 million drama between CDPR and Andrzej Sapkowski (and stubborn gaming industry stigmas)

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It?s ultimately the latest example of how cynical, hypocritical and delusional older generations and our mass media outlets in general (at least in the West) are about the video game medium. In the digital age of everyone from toddlers to grandmothers knowing their way around a cell phone, you?d think we would?ve moved past that by now. I suppose it doesn?t help though when a considerable amount of the worst gamer stereotypes still exist and are actually perpetuated via mass marketing techniques, but that could also be a reflection of cultural degeneration as a whole.
 

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Its just kinda' bullshit. The author didn't think games were worth it, and never thought the Witcher would do well. And now that it has he wants more money? He can fuck off.
 

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I think he was just an old normie from a backwater country who made that decision over a decade ago which is realistic in my eyes to be a time when he still probably didn't use any technology at all. I know the type. I had teachers like that, ones who made jokes about them learning to use a computer, as though it's absurd, so never mind videogames, there's people to whom the internet itself and technology in general was something inherently unserious.


But yeah, CDPR has no reason to be nice to him outside of respecting his work and wanting to keep good relations with him. They continue to be exemplar and classy to a fault.
 

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He tried to screw them out of money because he thought they would fail like the previous attempt by another company had, and ended up screwing himself out instead. Then they tried to offer him more then they where obligated to, and he turned them down and insulted them. No sympathy whatsoever.
 

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No tl;dr for those of us who have limited mobile data plans?
 

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CaitSeith said:
No tl;dr for those of us who have limited mobile data plans?
The author is a greedy idiot and CDproject are pretty damn alright.
 

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This thread is boring, so let's play devil's advocate:

So Netflix is paying to CD Projekt Red for The Witcher's TV rights, but not to the books author? Hmm... that's interesting.
 

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CaitSeith said:
This thread is boring, so let's play devil's advocate:

So Netflix is paying to CD Projekt Red for The Witcher's TV rights, but not to the books author? Hmm... that's interesting.
Well the author sold the rights of the Witcher to CD Projekt Red. Now one could argue he sold the video game rights, therefore Netflix would have to go to him, but what if Netflix is adapting the game, not the original source material? I'm guessing the books and games aren't exactly 10000% identical, so CDProRed could be selling their version of Witcher to Netflix.
 

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I think there is some middle ground there, and I'm sure they will reach an agreement without too much blood being spilt. Yeah, they probably have no legal obligation to give him any more money, but on the other hand they built their entire company from nothing into a AAA powerhouse on the foundation of his story and characters. It would be good karma and PR to throw him a bonus for the success that nobody could have foreseen.
 

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Dreiko said:
But yeah, CDPR has no reason to be nice to him outside of respecting his work and wanting to keep good relations with him. They continue to be exemplar and classy to a fault.
Unpaid OT, 80 hour weeks, where their published salaries are less than half what I made as a fairly low level government analyst working 40 hours a week. Oh yeah, they're just peachy. Fuck me... so many people just want an excuse to keep bankrolling exploitative work and consumption practices, don't they?

Let's be honest here--basically only if the actual IP creator gets that money, no other creative will be.

Your moral metrics concerning that may vary... but it's not as if artists win if CDPR win. I wouldd be pissed off as an artist I had to negotiate for peanuts compared to what an exploitative slave driver and their shareholders can get off the back of it.

Sure, it's the way of the world ... but the world sucks for a reason.
 

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I usually am a big supporter of creative control and all that, but FUCK THIS GUY. At this point, The Witcher belongs more to CD Projekt Red than the author. He better lose his case and hard.
 

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My opinion's already been set about this...

I'm just intrigued by the numerous pronunciations of the name 'Sapkowski' by various outlets covering the story.
 

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Silentpony said:
Its just kinda' bullshit. The author didn't think games were worth it, and never thought the Witcher would do well. And now that it has he wants more money? He can fuck off.
I remember reading a year or so ago he was fine with the decision he made, since he had no idea the games would become that popular(and let's face it, the first two games weren't popular. Witcher 2 was the first game to be considered good in general). Apparently now he saw all that money and changed his mind.

Ironically, the games are very likely the reason the series has name recognition outside of Eastern Europe, because apparently most of the books weren't even translated into English until fairly recently.

Silentpony said:
CaitSeith said:
This thread is boring, so let's play devil's advocate:

So Netflix is paying to CD Projekt Red for The Witcher's TV rights, but not to the books author? Hmm... that's interesting.
Well the author sold the rights of the Witcher to CD Projekt Red. Now one could argue he sold the video game rights, therefore Netflix would have to go to him, but what if Netflix is adapting the game, not the original source material? I'm guessing the books and games aren't exactly 10000% identical, so CDProRed could be selling their version of Witcher to Netflix.
I haven't read the books, only played the 3 main games and read some of the wiki stuff. Based on what I've read/heard on the internets, the books pretty much end with Geralt getting a pitchfork through the chest confronting an angry mob and the games pick up afterwards. Essentially the books timeline was concluded(presumably the author might have written books earlier in the timeline later on).
 

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Kyle Gaddo said:
I don't understand why there's any drama between CD Projekt RED and Andrzej Sapkowski; he sold the rights in full to CDPR over a decade ago because even he didn't believe in his own product. They offered him residuals and he declined. As far as I'm concerned, he deserves nothing.
In any other country, sure. But apparently Polish copyright law has Article 44 which states that if the author of a work sells the copyright and the new copyright holder goes on to make a profit disproportionate to the sum of the copyright transaction, the author can request that a court rules for additional compensation.

Personally, on a purely moral level, I am sort of on Sapkowski's side in this. No one could have foreseen how the Witcher 3 would become one of the top rated RPGs of all time and would usher in an era of renewed interest in the Witcher franchise. Sapkowski is still the author of the Witcher universe and his only real fault is misjudging just how popular computer games would become. I am not saying he deserves 16 million dollars (which is what he's demanding), but I can absolutely see that he should probably be getting a bit more money then he initially got.
 

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I can respect this perspective, but I still disagree.

Like, he admits his own "stupidity" in this article and then goes on to praise them for their success just over a year ago. And now he wants to collect on that success? He's already admitted that he made a poor decision by not believing in the medium or in CDPR. If he gets anything, it's because the company is doing him a kindness and to shut him up. It would be a formality at best, not because he deserves anything.

Video games have been the largest entertainment industry in the world for almost two decades at this point. I can understand not believing in them in their infancy, maybe in the late '80s to early '90s, but they're literally too big for their own good at this point.
You can make a stupid mistake lending your friend your car for the weekend. Doesn't mean you should put up with multiple speeding tickets and them totalling it. Also clearly videogames is not the 'largest entertainment indstry' for two decades. Hell, it's still not as big as tv and movies when you consider merchandising and movie sales alone.

Harry Potter has $9B in box office ticket sales, not incl. merchandising, lateral monetization, movie sales, etc ... if you include all of that, incalculable amounts of money. Something like My Little Pony gives Hasbro $680M+ annually to their bottom line just in toy sales from 2014. Not including share price growth, licencing, dvd/blu-ray sales, other merchandising...

Videogames are kind of nichely consumed in Western markets. TV and film can be felt everywhere at a far reduced buy in.

It's part and parcel why I can watch MLP in like, what, 35 different languages and counting? Whereas most games they won't even bother doing multiple VOs. Even really popular games ... you might get lucky and get three language options. Whereas something as popular as a successful tv program will end up giving you Korean Twilight Sparkle. Tara Strong still nails it, but Korean ponies is amazing...

Witcher 3 you get a whole of English/French/German/Polish. For text surprisingly even less options if I remember correctly. So they're kind of amazingly certain what their demographic is going to be.

Sorry, videogames will never be as big as movies and television. At best it still caters to the the predominantly bourgeois materialist sensibilities of Western consumers ... and only if the rest of the world enjoys increases in their disposable wealth will it take up the slack of diminishing Western savings pools.

People seem to forget that with a tv set and a cheap player, or a cheap laptop they can watch infinite amount of televised content.

If videogames were as widely consumed as television they would simply giveyou newly released games for $25 and wouldn't be so draconian with DRM. As it stands the industry is turning to 'games as a service' model precisely because they want their 'If You Are the One' that supposedly half a billion people watch religiously while Mao is turning in his grave ... about the good ol' days where women were postmasters, world recognized computer scientists and soldiers shooting Japanese invaders and Nationalist scum.

And increasing disposable capital in foreign countries is ging to bolster tv and movie consumption before you get Indians buying $60 games like American consumers. Image's The Walking Dead often outpaced all other major print series from competing Marvel and DC titles over the last few years. And let's face it ... they're paying for the tv licence fame.

Sure ... you have your Rockstar games ... but not every studio can be Rockstar Games. Indie developers can make stupid amounts of profit ... but then again so can a formerly small studio like DHX basically hit a gold mine with a single animated series.
 

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Little sympathy for Sapowski here.

I mean, I can certainly understand him resenting his decision and envying CD, but the idea that he's 'owed' royalties? No. Deal's a deal, and he made it willingly.