The Afterlife and You!
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I hope there isn't one.
Death being permanent sounds nice.
Sure its the end of me. But I don't even like me, so meh.
I understand that Death is scary. It just doesn't scare me.
So while I'm not looking for death, or actively bringing about my own, I won't run from it when it comes.
Death being permanent sounds nice.
Sure its the end of me. But I don't even like me, so meh.
I understand that Death is scary. It just doesn't scare me.
So while I'm not looking for death, or actively bringing about my own, I won't run from it when it comes.
Ah before I learned of any religion I always thought that everyone became ghosts and partook in trolltastic activities such as hauntings and inadvertently causing the deaths of innocents occasionally...Rawne1980 said:
Wow talk about dark
honestly, i think i would be happy with being put on spectator mode for the rest of the universe.
you know, just to see how things turn out, who was right, who was wrong, all of those things.
i wouldn't be doing much differently than what i'm doing now, i already barely interact, i mostly lurk.
you know, just to see how things turn out, who was right, who was wrong, all of those things.
i wouldn't be doing much differently than what i'm doing now, i already barely interact, i mostly lurk.
Bhaalspawn said:I'll just leave this here...
My God!!!
It's beautiful...so much so it puts the Sisteen Chapel to shame
Just give me a second to wipe the tears outta my eyes
You know whats fun, we decompose (or cremated), turn into carbon and other stuff, but mainly carbon.Matthew94 said:
And the best part is, we(represented by the carbon) are taken up into plants, soil, various organisms and one day......bits of us will end up in someone else.
And that is the best afterlife ever.
Well, if there's a God, you can bet that people in Heaven wouldn't be able to GET tired of eternity.XandNobody said:
And really, that's a good enough afterlife for me.
I like the idea of an eternity like a lucid dream. You control every aspect of the existence hopping between worlds that you like, doing fun shit. Including, if you get bored with your eternity and ultimate power, wiping all your memories of the fact that you're dead, immortal and ultimately powerful, and living for however long you like believing that you're just a mortal subject to the laws of whatever universe you've currently created for yourself. Gives you the option to live however you like, do whatever you want, and also dodges the difficulty of the "too much paradise" issue
Alright, fine. S'like this: I gots me two idears a what it might be like.
Half-baked potata, the first: Ya ever been to the beach when it's raining? Well, each of those raindrops is an individual consciousness in their time of life - similar enough to be considered the same, but also different enough to be considered 'individual', and also different enough to be like nothing that ever came before. Then 'splash' into the sea become an ever dispersing part of the larger 'thing' that has been there all along, until the 'individual' is no more. All mixed up with the rest, taken apart and put together with until there is only the 'sea'. You will likely be as prepared for this 'next thing' as you were for the beginning of 'this thing', that is to say you won't. It will hurt, (dying ALWAYS hurts, as did being born, remember?). Through the subsequent 'evaporation' of this new 'sea', new consciousness always emerges, always will, always has, and is always NEW and unique, for the next rain.
Whether this pleases you or depresses you ....
Half-baked patata the second: Your own eternity, separate from this one, (yer done, here), for eternity. A discrete infinitude. Your own physical laws, not subject to these we deal with now as physical limitations under the whatsit who got this one. Your void. No instructions. Your E-T-E-R-N-I-T-Y. Your chance to get REALLY creative! Take all the 'time' ya want, 'cuz there's all the time there can be.
A bonus off-topic periogie: Might our physicality be more of an undulant doughnut shape, rather than spherical like most folks likely visualize it, and the 'big bang' be more of a 'big roar' at its sphincter-like center where everything comes together and is spat through, making it so that it's expanding AND contracting at once?
Stay Tuned!
Nancy
Half-baked potata, the first: Ya ever been to the beach when it's raining? Well, each of those raindrops is an individual consciousness in their time of life - similar enough to be considered the same, but also different enough to be considered 'individual', and also different enough to be like nothing that ever came before. Then 'splash' into the sea become an ever dispersing part of the larger 'thing' that has been there all along, until the 'individual' is no more. All mixed up with the rest, taken apart and put together with until there is only the 'sea'. You will likely be as prepared for this 'next thing' as you were for the beginning of 'this thing', that is to say you won't. It will hurt, (dying ALWAYS hurts, as did being born, remember?). Through the subsequent 'evaporation' of this new 'sea', new consciousness always emerges, always will, always has, and is always NEW and unique, for the next rain.
Whether this pleases you or depresses you ....
Half-baked patata the second: Your own eternity, separate from this one, (yer done, here), for eternity. A discrete infinitude. Your own physical laws, not subject to these we deal with now as physical limitations under the whatsit who got this one. Your void. No instructions. Your E-T-E-R-N-I-T-Y. Your chance to get REALLY creative! Take all the 'time' ya want, 'cuz there's all the time there can be.
A bonus off-topic periogie: Might our physicality be more of an undulant doughnut shape, rather than spherical like most folks likely visualize it, and the 'big bang' be more of a 'big roar' at its sphincter-like center where everything comes together and is spat through, making it so that it's expanding AND contracting at once?
Stay Tuned!
Nancy
Deathmatch Tournament. That is what will await you when you die. Everyone in the world that has died on the same day you have will be given back their corporeal body but in the prime of their youth. They will be fighting for the chance to be reincarnated into a better lifestyle the next time around. The last man standing will be given the best of possible outcomes in his new life. He will obtain the most wisdom, gain the most cherished memories, and will live in a higher class of society than all those he has defeated. Runners-up will be given lives of slightly better conditions then the ones they were in, but not by much. But the bottom half of the competitors will given a fate worse than death.....Anyone wrote a book on this? I think I might be on to something here....
I'd read the shit outta that. Honestly it sounds like the afterlife tournaments held in DragonBallZ but the reward is life so that makes it all the betterdeserteagleeye said:
GET TO WRITING THAT BOOK
You just took my answer, which included the words lucid dreams and memory wipes too.undeadexistentialist said:
Though I'd probably just spend it on playing games then wiping my memory of them and start over.
But as for the lucid dream thing, the best way to handle that in my opinion would not be so if you want something you get it but instead have a director who knows you're ideal happiness and plays against it to make you content as possible.
Well in my case that would be perfect, I don't know about other people though.
Worst Afterlife: Pretty obviously the Christian Hell, as it's actually defined as being the worst thing ever, for eternity. That one's pretty obvious. Though in my opinion, any place where you just hang around forever wouldn't really be that far behind. No matter what, you'd eventually get bored. Or you'd just sit around being happy for no reason, which is almost worse, in a way. Which brings me to....
Best Afterlife: Reincarnation. No old memories, a complete restart in a totally new life. That way, you never get bored, you get infinite chances to get it right and experience everything, but each experience is new every time. No definitive "end", no "retirement" to "eternal reward". Just life after life after life. Immortality, minus the boredom. Sounds pretty damn perfect to me.
Best Afterlife: Reincarnation. No old memories, a complete restart in a totally new life. That way, you never get bored, you get infinite chances to get it right and experience everything, but each experience is new every time. No definitive "end", no "retirement" to "eternal reward". Just life after life after life. Immortality, minus the boredom. Sounds pretty damn perfect to me.
In my ideal afterlife, no one is malicious to one another. Anyone who seeks to cause others pain is out. There would still be physical pain, but nothing permanent, and there would be no illness. There would be arguments, but people would either make up or move on, and they wouldn't stay angry. We have access to the full range of feelings and emotions we had when we were alive. Our will is free. The world would be a bit like Minecraft, only infinite. It would be an infinite world with infinite resources to shape into whatever we, as individuals, desire, with infinite potential for exploration and discovery. The world would be connected through a vast network much like the internet, and all media (music, movies, television shows, pictures, video games, etc.) from the previous world would be accessible through it. There'd be no need for government or law enforcement, because no one's going to do anything harmful to one another. Everyone would have time to learn, build and create to their heart's content. Everyone would also have the choice to reincarnate when they're done, and leave messages and information for their reincarnated self to find after they die.
I would also like an afterlife where everyone's free to create their own ideal world, but it's an afterlife of solitude. All of the people around you would be your own creation and thus they only act in the ways that you make them. That removes the most intriguing thing about others: that they are their own people. They are not born from my mind in any way. I can't control, only influence and suggest. The only way that this would work is if I lay out what I want my afterlife to be, then forget that I've created the world, retain the memories from my previous life and only influence the world subconsciously Haruhi Suzumiya-style.
That, or the afterlife from Angel Beats.
The worst afterlife would, obviously, be any form of eternal punishment. In addition, the idea of "eternal bliss" is unappealing, and I think fluffy cloud-type heaven seems boring. Any sort of afterlife that I have to spend taking orders, be it from God, angels, or some other ruler, be he dead like me or an immortal ruler, would be awful.
I would also like an afterlife where everyone's free to create their own ideal world, but it's an afterlife of solitude. All of the people around you would be your own creation and thus they only act in the ways that you make them. That removes the most intriguing thing about others: that they are their own people. They are not born from my mind in any way. I can't control, only influence and suggest. The only way that this would work is if I lay out what I want my afterlife to be, then forget that I've created the world, retain the memories from my previous life and only influence the world subconsciously Haruhi Suzumiya-style.
That, or the afterlife from Angel Beats.
It gives people who were unsatisfied with their lives time to enjoy themselves and accomplish the dreams that they couldn't in life before passing on, and if the stinger is to be believed, it lets them influence their next life. Otonashi and Kanade actually meet again after they've reincarnated. What's more, Kanade is humming a song that was written by Girls Dead Monster, a band that only existed in the afterlife, meaning that either someone rewrote it, the writer wrote it again, or Kanade actually still remembers. Otonashi also reacts to the song, meaning that he probably remembers, too.
The worst afterlife would, obviously, be any form of eternal punishment. In addition, the idea of "eternal bliss" is unappealing, and I think fluffy cloud-type heaven seems boring. Any sort of afterlife that I have to spend taking orders, be it from God, angels, or some other ruler, be he dead like me or an immortal ruler, would be awful.
Being a life long seeker this should be my bread and butter, but I find myself almost at a loss. I'm basically an animist, and frankly the Good vs Bad Reward and Punishment scenario strikes me as little more than a control system to make people toe the line in this--the Phenomenal world.
For one thing I don't get that "dead" is necessarily dead forever. Most religions, including the Abrahamic ones, hold or held reincarnation in consideration as real. It wasn't until the 5th or 6th centuries that the early christian church decided that reincarnation didn't synch with their contemporary dogma: WHY should people WANT to come back or be permitted to if heaven is utterly blissful, and HOW could sinners condemned to hell be punished for eternity if they can reincarnate?
Even when the early christian church leaders said reincarnation didn't fit with their considered judgement, as the church expanded and came into contact with more and more belief systems that did consider reincarnation real the push to eliminate such a concept proved to be an almost unachievable labor. Even now in long established 'christian' nations you have true christian believers who take the idea of coming back in stride. Think about european fiction such as a vampire's beloved being reincarnated again and again and the vampire meeting said beloved in life after life as an example.
As for what's on the other side for those I suspect it is largely subjective. By this I mean it's like gnosis--experiential and difficult if down right impossible to truly relate to others. Like it says in the judeo-christian bible: "Behold, I shall show you a mystery: We shall all be changed"--or something like that.
I suspect that when we cross over we're not limited by our 5 physical senses which results in what does lay waiting for us being almost impossible to describe. I think that the Phenomenal world (this universe of meat and bone and dust and starfire and the infinite cold of the abyss of space) is or has come to be used as something of a school zone. That our being limited to 5 senses forces us (and others--remember there are an estimated 100 billion or more galaxies in the universe each composed of upwards of 400 billion or more star systems, which means that even if intelligent aliens are limited to one intelligent race per galaxy there would be 100 BILLION other intelligent races out there--And I can't see their respective belief systems being HUMANO-CENTRIC like many human religions--particularly the Abrahamic ones--Man was created in God's image--understandably tend to be) to grow and mature in ways our having access to greater broader sensitivity would make difficult or even impossible.
I guess that means that the Meaning of Life is that as long as you're alive School is in Session. And the afterlife is where we and our less limited and/or more capable facets exist.
Um...this kinda got deep. I, uh...
I-I-I-think...I think I hurt myself...I...I think I need to go lie down and rethink my life...
For one thing I don't get that "dead" is necessarily dead forever. Most religions, including the Abrahamic ones, hold or held reincarnation in consideration as real. It wasn't until the 5th or 6th centuries that the early christian church decided that reincarnation didn't synch with their contemporary dogma: WHY should people WANT to come back or be permitted to if heaven is utterly blissful, and HOW could sinners condemned to hell be punished for eternity if they can reincarnate?
Even when the early christian church leaders said reincarnation didn't fit with their considered judgement, as the church expanded and came into contact with more and more belief systems that did consider reincarnation real the push to eliminate such a concept proved to be an almost unachievable labor. Even now in long established 'christian' nations you have true christian believers who take the idea of coming back in stride. Think about european fiction such as a vampire's beloved being reincarnated again and again and the vampire meeting said beloved in life after life as an example.
As for what's on the other side for those I suspect it is largely subjective. By this I mean it's like gnosis--experiential and difficult if down right impossible to truly relate to others. Like it says in the judeo-christian bible: "Behold, I shall show you a mystery: We shall all be changed"--or something like that.
I suspect that when we cross over we're not limited by our 5 physical senses which results in what does lay waiting for us being almost impossible to describe. I think that the Phenomenal world (this universe of meat and bone and dust and starfire and the infinite cold of the abyss of space) is or has come to be used as something of a school zone. That our being limited to 5 senses forces us (and others--remember there are an estimated 100 billion or more galaxies in the universe each composed of upwards of 400 billion or more star systems, which means that even if intelligent aliens are limited to one intelligent race per galaxy there would be 100 BILLION other intelligent races out there--And I can't see their respective belief systems being HUMANO-CENTRIC like many human religions--particularly the Abrahamic ones--Man was created in God's image--understandably tend to be) to grow and mature in ways our having access to greater broader sensitivity would make difficult or even impossible.
I guess that means that the Meaning of Life is that as long as you're alive School is in Session. And the afterlife is where we and our less limited and/or more capable facets exist.
Um...this kinda got deep. I, uh...
I-I-I-think...I think I hurt myself...I...I think I need to go lie down and rethink my life...
Something just occurred to me about Valhalla...Goofguy said:
The idea is that everybody spends the days slaughtering each other then come back to life and spend the evening feasting and partying. Sounds good to begin with, but what if you happen to be the WORST FIGHTER IN VALHALLA?
Wouldn't that mean you would get your butt kicked all day then hear about it all night, day and night after day and night, for eternity?
I never thought about it from that point of view before. This thread's getting to me.
Need to go lay down again.