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TrulyBritish said:
Well we're all entitled to our opinions, even if you're wrong :p
It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Of course, if you've never read the books, you wouldn't understand.
 

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madwarper said:
TrulyBritish said:
Well we're all entitled to our opinions, even if you're wrong :p
It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Of course, if you've never read the books, you wouldn't understand.
I have read the books, several times.
I don't see that diminishing how good the films are. Are the films a 100% adaption of the books? Nope, but I never expected them too nor do I believe they need to.
 

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TrulyBritish said:
but I never expected them too nor do I believe they need to.
Now, THAT is an opinion. And, you are entitled to it, even though it's wrong.

From the failing to reforge Narsil into Anduril, to the lack of gifts at Lothlorien, to the COMPLETE butchering of Faramir, to the absence of the Sacking of the Shire...

I could go on, but it's sufficient to say that the LotR movies were utter shite. I never bothered with the Hobbit movies.
 

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madwarper said:
TrulyBritish said:
but I never expected them too nor do I believe they need to.
Now, THAT is an opinion. And, you are entitled to it, even though it's wrong.

From the failing to reforge Narsil into Anduril, to the lack of gifts at Lothlorien, to the COMPLETE butchering of Faramir, to the absence of the Sacking of the Shire...

I could go on, but it's sufficient to say that the LotR movies were utter shite. I never bothered with the Hobbit movies.
Does your argument stretch beyond "they had to cut some stuff out"?
 

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madwarper said:
Now, THAT is an opinion. And, you are entitled to it, even though it's wrong.

From the failing to reforge Narsil into Anduril, to the lack of gifts at Lothlorien, to the COMPLETE butchering of Faramir, to the absence of the Sacking of the Shire...
Um, what?

Narsil is reforged into Anduril in the movies, and they do receive gifts (in the extended edition).
 
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madwarper said:
TrulyBritish said:
Well we're all entitled to our opinions, even if you're wrong :p
It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Of course, if you've never read the books, you wouldn't understand.
Uh, hi, another person here who read the books and thinks movies are fucking awesome.
 

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MrCalavera said:
madwarper said:
TrulyBritish said:
Well we're all entitled to our opinions, even if you're wrong :p
It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Of course, if you've never read the books, you wouldn't understand.
Uh, hi, another person here who read the books and thinks movies are fucking awesome.
Really don't feel like an argument, but I'll add my name to that list.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Does your argument stretch beyond "they had to cut some stuff out"?
Need to cut something? Cut the bullshit padding they pulled out of their ass.

No Arwen. No Aragorn coma. No Faramir parading Frodo in front of the Witch King.
Hawki said:
Narsil is reforged into Anduril in the movies, and they do receive gifts (in the extended edition).
BEFORE the company departed from Rivendell? Nope. That didn't happen.
Aragorn received a sheath for Anduril in Lothlorien? Nope. That didn't happen.
Sam getting a box of soil from Galadriel's orchard? Nope. That didn't happen.

I doubt recollection of the books is nearly as accurate as you seem to think it is. I suggest reading them again.
 

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madwarper said:
BEFORE the company departed from Rivendell? Nope. That didn't happen.
You didn't specify when, you claimed that it wasn't present at all.

Aragorn received a sheath for Anduril in Lothlorien? Nope. That didn't happen.
Sam getting a box of soil from Galadriel's orchard? Nope. That didn't happen.
You claimed that there were no gifts, period. You didn't specify the types of gifts.

To quote your original post:

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From the failing to reforge Narsil into Anduril, to the lack of gifts at Lothlorien,
This is called shifting the goal posts.
 

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madwarper said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Does your argument stretch beyond "they had to cut some stuff out"?
Need to cut something? Cut the bullshit padding they pulled out of their ass.

No Arwen. No Aragorn coma. No Faramir parading Frodo in front of the Witch King.
I agree Aragorn's 'detour' in Two Towers is completely uncalled for and it's a cheap way of briefly raising the stakes.
Arwen is barely in the movies as it is, must rack up less than 5 minutes screen time and while most of it is cobbled from the appendixes nothing she says or does goes against the integrity of the story.
And Faramir at least gets an arc (resonating positively with his brother's, woo), which is more than the books have for him.
So is that your math? 3 nitpicks + "they cut stuff out" = "utter shite"?
If you're going to start arguments with "your opinion is wrong" what makes you think you aren't?
 
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If the movies were exactly like the books then they'd spend half their time with Aragorn and whoever's with him then switch over to what Frodo and Sam were doing in Mordor. And I think that would be even worse pacing in a film than it is in the books
 

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The one thing that makes this not so bad...is all the other adaptations. It doesn't feel so bad when you know you can just fall back on whatever preferred version you like.
 

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Saelune said:
The one thing that makes this not so bad...is all the other adaptations. It doesn't feel so bad when you know you can just fall back on whatever preferred version you like.
Except it isn't an adaptation. It's a prequel series.
 

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True facts: I actually like having Tom Bombadil in the stories. A whimsical being who is so powerful that he dates a river's daughter (would that be a stream?) and can completely ignore the powers of the Ring!

But I've been told to fuck off by every other LOTR fan I have ever talked to when asking why that section of the books was not in the films.
 

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the December King said:
True facts: I actually like having Tom Bombadil in the stories. A whimsical being who is so powerful that he dates a river's daughter (would that be a stream?) and can completely ignore the powers of the Ring!

But I've been told to fuck off by every other LOTR fan I have ever talked to when asking why that section of the books was not in the films.
Well, I won't tell you to "fuck off," but I think it's kinda easy to explain why. The story can easily exist without the Bombadil section. There's no plot, characterization, or theme that's imparted that's integral to the story. So given that the film runs at 3 hours even without Bombadil, I can get why he's not there.
 

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Hawki said:
Saelune said:
The one thing that makes this not so bad...is all the other adaptations. It doesn't feel so bad when you know you can just fall back on whatever preferred version you like.
Except it isn't an adaptation. It's a prequel series.
Then it is just fanfic, so even more a reason to not care if it is bad.
 

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madwarper said:
I could go on, but it's sufficient to say that the LotR movies were utter shite. I never bothered with the Hobbit movies.
If you didn't like the LotR adaptations, you reeeeeeeeeeally don't want to watch the Hobbit ones.

Hawki said:
Well, I won't tell you to "fuck off," but I think it's kinda easy to explain why. The story can easily exist without the Bombadil section. There's no plot, characterization, or theme that's imparted that's integral to the story. So given that the film runs at 3 hours even without Bombadil, I can get why he's not there.
IIRC, the reason Bombadil was dropped wasn't just because it was boring and pointless and weird, it was because Gandalf made a big fuss about how the ring would corrupt absolutely everyone, and then the next random they met is immune to the ring corrupting them.
 
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Thaluikhain said:
Hawki said:
Well, I won't tell you to "fuck off," but I think it's kinda easy to explain why. The story can easily exist without the Bombadil section. There's no plot, characterization, or theme that's imparted that's integral to the story. So given that the film runs at 3 hours even without Bombadil, I can get why he's not there.
IIRC, the reason Bombadil was dropped wasn't just because it was boring and pointless and weird, it was because Gandalf made a big fuss about how the ring would corrupt absolutely everyone, and then the next random they met is immune to the ring corrupting them.
Same reason Faramir is changed to fall under the Ring's sway, because otherwise we're short on examples of it corrupting people before Frodo pulls out his "Nah its mine now!"
But yeah, I never got the Tom Bombadil love. He's a total Big Lipped Alligator Moment, where he shows up, doesn't add anything to story and throws a lot of the set 'rules' of the story into question
 

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As far as Faramir is concerned... that was always my single biggest gripe with the films. I mean, at that point we have already seen Gandalf himself horrified at being offered the Ring, Saruman turned, Galadriel, one of the most powerful Elves left in Middle-earth at the time, seriously tempted, and Boromir outright falling prey to it and leading to the breakup of the Fellowship. Honestly, I think that was quite enough to drive home the point that the damn thing is dangerous and will corrupt almost anyone if given the chance.

Faramir's whole thing was precisely the fact that he was not his brother. Turning him into Boromir 2.0, in my opinion, was a serious disservice to the character, not to mention a waste of screentime.