The Autistic Hacker: is He at Fault?

[Gametek]

Excuse me, my question is different. Did he even found anything on the UFO matter?

As for the prison, it's -tecnically- impossible. Gary is british, and last time I checked, US stand for United State. The USA are powerfull, but not to the point of arrest a citizen of another country. And I think that the England government will be all over Gary information, trying to steal any single private file of USA. They will obviusly try to stop, or at least buy some time, to take a look to any single Data in Gary's Harddisks...

maybe the US put INTERPOL on him (hacking into a government database is allot more serious then hacking a game development studio for beta,s)
also I don,t think they would find anything on his HDD,s (assuming the US has information on extraterrestrial life they wouldn't keep it in a obvious place like the Pentagon or wherever he hacked into it would be hidden in something like a porn stash or family photos of a government official)

It's not important the fact that it's UFO Data or not. Any military, social study, spy location, future war plane, etc. is of vital interest for another state government. It's for this reason that organization like CIA and MK5 have born. The fact that he had steal even only a giga of their data can turn out in an hundred of reserved information.

 

[Thamian]

The fact that this is still being talked about atleast means he hasn't been extradited (yet I know but...) which as far as I'm concerned is a good thing. That particular extradition treaty really sticks in my craw.

Probably bothers him as well. Guess he should have thought about the consequences before he started acting like an asshole.

Ok, first, I'm going to remember that I'm on the Escapist and trust that as such I'm not being trolled.

Second, I am in no way defending what he did. He should be charged and convicted, because, frankly, at this point it's pretty much a given that he's guilty and what not, maybe with some mitigation of sentence due to his condition but that's it.

No, no, my problem is with the terms of an extradition treaty between two countries which is heavily biased in favour of one or other of them (to the point where it's relatively easy for one of them to extradite the other's citizens, yet virtually impossible for the opposite to happen in anything other less serious than murder or rape). If the media hadn't picked up on this story (partly for the smugness of a brit in his bedroom going to town on the US military's networks, and partly for the opportunity to beat the government round the head on the treaty issue a bit more), then this guy would have long since been extradited.

Yes, ok there's the more complex issue of policing internet crime and what laws they should be tried under when carried out over international boundaries which this case also raises (he was in the UK whe he did it, but the harm was done in the USA, so where was the crime carried out?) and I would love it if some of these idiot journos would actually talk about that (a really important topic) for a change instead of all this tabloid shock BS about the treaty (important, but beaten to death and framed in tabloid terms most of the time that subsequently demeans the whole shebang) or his asberger's (which really isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, though of course I suppose, is in this case).

Wow, I may have gone on a bit there....

 

[aba1]

Frankly, yes, he should still be charged.

I don't care if you have ADHD or autism or Asperger's Syndrome, that should not be a free pass for anything at all. None of those conditions are untreatable, nor are they even remotely difficult to treat. We as a culture need to stop feeling bad for these sorts of people with extremely minor mental disorders, and stop letting them use it as an excuse or scapegoat.

Schizophrenia, maybe, would be another story. But certainly not Asperger's.

actually ADHD and Aspergers are untreatable (Ritalin only combat,s the "symptoms")
but I agree people should stop using scape goats when they do stuff.

huh funny people keep telling me that I need to tell MORE people I have ADD because I I am constantly not catching things in classes and dazing off in lectures so I miss important things and end up failing assignments but I guess your right its my fault...

 

[Dogstile]

On the one hand, yes he caused a great deal of damage, turned off several military systems post 9/11 and caused alot of damage. But on the other, if you belive the man himself, he found a system with no protection leaving notes informing the US goverment. Considering he'll stuggle to prove that one, it seems the US has the upperhand here. Except that their attempts to move a person who has known mental problems and who would more then likely commit sucide if extridated are bizarrely zealous and their disregard for the British Legal System is very insulting. Also, it's been ten years since this happened. America are still pushing to get a single person to America, whilst groups like LOLsec and anon are still running amock. The worlds police my arse.

Let him suicide. One less psychopath in the world.

Psychopath? I got an autistic guy to explain why he was so obsessed with cars and he told me "its like an annoying nag, I just want to know or it bothers me, much like you people get with random facts or trivia".

Doesn't sound psychopathic to me at all.

 

[Dexiro]

Reduced charge + mandatory support. The amount his charge is reduced by should be based on how bad his aspergers is.

 

[Gametek]

Let him suicide. One less psychopath in the world.

This is the fird post where you cry for the death of another man due to some mental problem. I don't know your problem, but this is way over the top, Kiraxa.

I'd be fine with him not dying. As long as hes locked up for life. Along with everyone else who says they have assburgers. Though dying would be cheaper.

Look, Asperger is the "light" form of Autism. Now, if an asperger do so much trouble to you, what do you do when you meet an autist?

 

[Wintermoot]

Excuse me, my question is different. Did he even found anything on the UFO matter?

As for the prison, it's -tecnically- impossible. Gary is british, and last time I checked, US stand for United State. The USA are powerfull, but not to the point of arrest a citizen of another country. And I think that the England government will be all over Gary information, trying to steal any single private file of USA. They will obviusly try to stop, or at least buy some time, to take a look to any single Data in Gary's Harddisks...

maybe the US put INTERPOL on him (hacking into a government database is allot more serious then hacking a game development studio for beta,s)
also I don,t think they would find anything on his HDD,s (assuming the US has information on extraterrestrial life they wouldn't keep it in a obvious place like the Pentagon or wherever he hacked into it would be hidden in something like a porn stash or family photos of a government official)

It's not important the fact that it's UFO Data or not. Any military, social study, spy location, future war plane, etc. is of vital interest for another state government. It's for this reason that organization like CIA and MK5 have born. The fact that he had steal even only a giga of their data can turn out in an hundred of reserved information.

what good is military data if he,s looking for UFO information?
we aren't talking about a terrorist it,s just some guy looking for UFO information.

 

[Maze1125]

Society doesn't tolerate any form of psychopathy other than autistic psychopathy,

Congrats on not knowing what you're talking about in the slightest, as psychopaths are tolerated every day.

Psychopathy is a clinical lack of empathy. There's nothing intrinsically intolerable about that, there are many jobs where it's even useful or outright desired. Psychopaths are tolerated until they do something intolerable, which isn't very often. They may not have empathy, but they mostly have the sense to not do things which would get them sent to jail.

You know that guy who enjoys hurting wild animals? He's likely a psychopath.
You know that guy who laughs at other's misfortunes, the worse they are, the funnier he finds them, even if he has the sense not to show it? He's likely a psychopath.
You know that guy who thinks the world would be a better place if a whole group of people were shot in the head, regardless of their circumstances and how each member of that group is different from the others? He's likely a psychopath.

None of those things are intolerable to our society, we let psychopaths live their lives until they do something criminal, just like everyone else.

Should someone get off of a crime because they have Asperger's Syndrome? No, we shouldn't. That doesn't mean everyone with Asperger's deserves to die though, that's just irrational.

 

[Alkaline]

Let him suicide. One less psychopath in the world.

This is the fird post where you cry for the death of another man due to some mental problem. I don't know your problem, but this is way over the top, Kiraxa.

I'd be fine with him not dying. As long as hes locked up for life. Along with everyone else who says they have assburgers. Though dying would be cheaper.

Look, Asperger is the "light" form of Autism. Now, if an asperger do so much trouble to you, what do you do when you meet an autist?

Ignore them like I ignore dogs. Since they're the same thing.

Kiraxa confirmed for psychopath.

 

[Wintermoot]

Frankly, yes, he should still be charged.

I don't care if you have ADHD or autism or Asperger's Syndrome, that should not be a free pass for anything at all. None of those conditions are untreatable, nor are they even remotely difficult to treat. We as a culture need to stop feeling bad for these sorts of people with extremely minor mental disorders, and stop letting them use it as an excuse or scapegoat.

Schizophrenia, maybe, would be another story. But certainly not Asperger's.

actually ADHD and Aspergers are untreatable (Ritalin only combat,s the "symptoms")
but I agree people should stop using scape goats when they do stuff.

huh funny people keep telling me that I need to tell MORE people I have ADD because I I am constantly not catching things in classes and dazing off in lectures so I miss important things and end up failing assignments but I guess your right its my fault...

that,s something different but more like using it to scape goat stuff like breaking the law or skipping work.
you can,t do anything about dozing off but let,s say you stop doing homework or other class assignments and blaming it on your ADD is something entirely different
(excuse my shitty grammar)

 

[Neonit]

if he understands that what he did was wrong he deserves punishment because he still decided to do it.

if he doesnt realize that what he has done was wrong, then he should be locked up for his and other's protection.

so, imho in both cases he should be locked up. only difference should be "in which fine institute"


then again, im no expert.

 

[DevilWithaHalo]

Correct good sir. Assburgers is what happens when you have an "intelligent" autistic mixed with psychopathy. By definition. "Autistischen Psychopathen" is the name of it. Of course no one calls it that because they'd rather hide under the name of the doctor who outlined it.

Err... couple of things...

While Aspergers and Psycopathy are both mental disorders, they are about as far apart as a male and female. Sure they are both human, but you'd be making a grave mistake mixing the two. Difficulty in understanding social cues and the limited devotion to certain aspects of life are far cries from the inability to feel basic human emotions like psycopaths.

Someone suffering from Aspergers could easily feel remorse for mistaking a social cue, while a psycopath is simply incapable of said emotion to begin with.

I prefer study to social sanctioned death personally.

 

[Thamian]

Excuse me, my question is different. Did he even found anything on the UFO matter?

As for the prison, it's -tecnically- impossible. Gary is british, and last time I checked, US stand for United State. The USA are powerfull, but not to the point of arrest a citizen of another country. And I think that the England government will be all over Gary information, trying to steal any single private file of USA. They will obviusly try to stop, or at least buy some time, to take a look to any single Data in Gary's Harddisks...

Firstly, they can. It's called extradition. Look at one of my previous posts in this thread to ascertain the rest of the info you need on that one.

Second, if they were going to do that with the hard drives, they'd have done it by now, this tale is several years old now. And frankly, they probably already had them, they have got much better cracker's on the payroll (mainly because it's more gainful to employ them than punishment when you ctach 'em, provided that you do it quietly and so can not look like you're rewarding criminal activity).

 

[Gametek]

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what good is military data if he,s looking for UFO information?
we aren't talking about a terrorist it,s just some guy looking for UFO information.

It's not him. It's any government in this word want an acces to the secret data of USA. As he is british born, I do see how the GB would love to protect him enough time to take a look to is HD. Do you have even an idea of how much it's worth any secret information of the USA government?

 

[Alexlion]

Should he be charged yes, should be be extradited NO. Why? America still has the death penalty thats not a decent justice system in my book. Also in the entire history of britains extradition treaty with the US they have denied every request to extradite a criminal to here (UK) so they can taste their own medicine.

 

[Maze1125]

Society doesn't tolerate any form of psychopathy other than autistic psychopathy,

Congrats on not knowing what you're talking about in the slightest, as psychopaths are tolerated every day.

Psychopathy is a clinical lack of empathy. There's nothing intrinsically intolerable about that, there are many jobs where it's even useful or outright desired. Psychopaths are tolerated until they do something intolerable, which isn't very often. They may not have empathy, but they mostly have the sense to not do things which would get them sent to jail.

You know that guy who enjoys hurting wild animals? He's likely a psychopath.
You know that guy who laughs at other's misfortunes, the worse they are, the funnier he finds them, even if he has the sense not to show it? He's likely a psychopath.
You know that guy who thinks the world would be a better place if a whole group of people were shot in the head, regardless of their circumstances and how each member of that group is different from the others? He's likely a psychopath.

None of those things are intolerable to our society, we let psychopaths live their lives until they do something criminal, just like everyone else.

Should someone get off of a crime because they have Asperger's Syndrome? No, we shouldn't. That doesn't mean everyone with Asperger's deserves to die though, that's just irrational.

Congrats on not knowing what YOU'RE talking about. all those definitions other than the first officially ended in the 1980s. #2 and #3 is now known as sociopathy. I AM a sociopath. A Psychopath is someone who acts on their sociopathy in a society harming manner.

And when was the term "autistic psychopathy" chosen?