The BBB says ME3 was falsely advertised.

[voltair27]

Quite frankly, it wasn't the endings that bugged me.

It was the explanation for the Reapers.

They are synthetic beings that wipe out organic races so that organic races will not create synthetic beings that would wipe them out.

I can't see any way to justify this bullshit.

 

[SargentToughie]

Now there is the real problem. Due to easy formation of mob culture (Kony 2012 the example I love the most) we will have a hard time being taken serious.

I totally agree! It's incredibly easy for people to just blow off a big movement on the internet as just a bunch of people following the herd. Still, the internet is a mighty weapon that, when directed in the right way, can be an incredible source of user information and rallying people towards a cause, SOPA is a perfect example of that.

Still, that did have a bit of mob power behind it, didn't it?

Well... Damn.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

shit storm ahoy!

Prepare all shields!


OT: this is...pretty crazy to be honest. but meh...if it hits EA in the ass, maybe it'll give them a clear warning not to pull shit in the future

Did somebody say...

Spoiler: Shields?

This is just getting silly now

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

shit storm ahoy!

Prepare all shields!


OT: this is...pretty crazy to be honest. but meh...if it hits EA in the ass, maybe it'll give them a clear warning not to pull shit in the future

Did somebody say...

Spoiler: Shields?

This is just getting silly now

haha i did think of that reference when i put "shields" in there for a EA/me3 thread...glad someone else picked up on the chance to use it

 

[Sagacious Zhu]

"Completely changes your experience"

Kill the Rachni? Lol, reapers made more.
Saved the Rachni? Lol, indoctrination

"Radically Different Endings"

That is technically false and shame on Bioware's PR team for dealing in absolutes. Only fools deal in absolutes.

 

[Hungry Donner]

I'm generally a big supporter of consumer advocates but the BBB is just seedy. The thing is, unless you pay to register with the BBB and pay for their services you're pretty much guaranteed an F rating in their registry. It's hardly racketeering, but it seems like the sort of buisness practice you'd report to the . . . well the BBB.

 

[Terminate421]

Why do people assume Mass Effect 2 was a bad game just because EA was involved?

 

[MiloP]

If this is false advertising, then every game that has ever been promoted by its own team has been falsely advertised. And I'm pretty sure that the people writing the death threats won't have enough blood to write letters to every game company.

Bah. One day I will say I am sick of an argument and ACTUALLY walk away from it.

EDIT -- Just glanced at my PS2 copy of Half-Life 1, advertised with Extraordinary Realism. Don't worry Valve, just write me a check made out to CASH and we'll forget the whole thing...

 

[halfeclipse]

Who wants to bet that bioware hasn't paid BBB the bribe for better ratings fee to obtain accreditation.


20 dollar bet for any takers!

 

[Zen Toombs]

I guess their false advertising had a...
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MASS EFFECT on their PR.

You're a monster.

[small]Toombs approves +3[/small]

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Hey, you know there's already a thread on this, correct? Like an official news piece [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116735-BioWare-Falsely-Advertised-Mass-Effect-3] and popular thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.366565-BioWare-Falsely-Advertised-Mass-Effect-3] about this exact topic?

 

[chuckdm]

The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise? Technically, yes, they did. In the first bullet point, where it states "the decisions you make completely shape your experience", there is no indecision in that statement. It is an absolute.

I don't understand how that is false advertising. The decisions you make DO completely shape your experience. Hell you literally pick which ending you want. I don't know how you can have a scenario that gives MORE deference to choice than literally picking the ending you want.

I mean, yeah it's not what people EXPECTED, but having played through the game, I don't get how that statement is technically false.

EDIT: God I hate this new Captcha...

The false advertising was telling us there would be 15 or 16 possible endings. There aren't. Decisions matter or no, I'm certain if I had 16 choices to choose from, one of them, no matter how non-canon and obscene, would be something I am happy with.

*SOILERS AHEAD*

Out of 16 choices, at least ONE of them wouldn't include destroying the relays. I would be HAPPY with the ending if Shepard dies, the Normandy dies, everyone on the Normandy dies, and all my squadmates, every last one of them, dies, but AT LEAST the relays remain so everyone who doesn't die can at least go the hell back home. To me, the entire crew paying the ultimate price to buy the galaxy's salvation is a small and fair price to pay. This is the last game in this story, so killing off every single character I've grown to love is not just acceptable, it's expected. But killing them all just so I can buy what? None of the endings really SAVE THE DAMN GALAXY which was all I have been trying to do for 3 games now. THAT is the problem here. I'm not entitled and I'm not delusional. I don't expect a fairy tale. I don't even expect the game to remain canon. I merely expect that, when I take this character that I love and knowingly and blatantly kill it, it was not for nothing. Frankly, adding 1 more ending to the 3 that exist would be enough.

But back to the point, you can say the player's choices matter, and to a certain point, they do. Your choices in the previous games determine the fate of the Quarians and Geth, the Salarians, Turians, and Krogan. You even have the choice to annihilation the Batarians outright (though if you choose not to, some Alliance marines do it anyway...). These choices DO matter. The problem is not that choices don't matter. The problem is that at the pivotal point in the game we have NO CHOICES LEFT. At this point, if we had the 16 choices that were marketed and promised to us, THEN I could be fine with 10 or 11 or 12 of them being awful choices. But we don't. This is where the real false advertising is. Sure, your choices matter - until you don't have any.

 

[Murmillos]

why do we need so many threads on the same issue?

 

[Terminate421]

Why do people assume Mass Effect 2 was a bad game just because EA was involved?

Because it was a shitty game whereas the predecessor to it was a great game with EA having no involvement.
Seriously ME2 had plot holes and retcons galore.
A do nothing pointless plot. (a cardinal sin for an RPG)
A bloated squad with most of them being uninteresting. Garrus, Legion, Zaeed, and Mordin being the exceptions.
Horrendous combat. Seriously I hate cover based shooters and regenerating health. It saddened me ME1's unique fun combat was scrapped for this shit. And don't get me started on the nerfed powers.
And finally a DLC (Arrival) that made the horrendous do nothing plot even more horrendous and added a plot hole the size of Texas into the game.

Also watch Smudboy's reviews of ME2. He goes into much more precise detail of why it is a bad game.

Plot Analysis - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL67454ADAC2BDA8AA&feature=plcp
Character Analysis - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL484611DEAE00FED9&feature=plcp
Retcons - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22DEF15C8FFA22A2&feature=plcp

And yet there are actual bad games.

Mass effect 2 was different away from YOUR preferences, that doesn't make it automatically a bad game. I loved its fluidity better than the first one. Also, more squad members=good in my eyes.

Just because EA is involved does not make it bad. This means that ALL battlefield games are bad, dead space is bad, etc.

 

[distortedreality]

It actually worries me that somebody that stupid is representing our rights as consumers.

 

[Elamdri]

The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise? Technically, yes, they did. In the first bullet point, where it states "the decisions you make completely shape your experience", there is no indecision in that statement. It is an absolute.

I don't understand how that is false advertising. The decisions you make DO completely shape your experience. Hell you literally pick which ending you want. I don't know how you can have a scenario that gives MORE deference to choice than literally picking the ending you want.

I mean, yeah it's not what people EXPECTED, but having played through the game, I don't get how that statement is technically false.

EDIT: God I hate this new Captcha...

The false advertising was telling us there would be 15 or 16 possible endings. There aren't. Decisions matter or no, I'm certain if I had 16 choices to choose from, one of them, no matter how non-canon and obscene, would be something I am happy with.

There are more than 15 or 16 endings.

There's the Red ending where Big Ben is destroyed and Joker Garrus and Liara get out of the Normandy and Shepard Dies
There's the Red ending where Big Ben is saved and Joker and Garrus and Liara get out of the Normandy and Shepard dies
There's the Red ending where Big Ben is saved and Joker and Garrus and Liara get out of the Normandy and Shepard lives
There's the Red ending where Big Ben is saved and Joker and Ashley and Garrus get out of the Normandy and Shepard dies
...see where I am going with this?