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Rai^3 said:
Title should say it all; one of my favorite aspects of the Elder Scrolls series has been the ability to find and read a number of short-stories and the like. What are your favorites? Here's mine:
I always liked The Axe Man [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Axe_Man] :p
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Do books made by devs but are not actually found in-game count?

There's a WHOLE BUNCH of lore texts that were made by Devs, but not put in the game, yet are still canon, that I could post.
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Loveletter From the Fifth Era, The True Purpose of Tamriel
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/loveletter-fifth-era-true-purpose-tamriel
A breif description of what is to come in Elder Scrolls 6 or some Skyrim DLC
I refuse to take that as canon, if they base a game around it this series will be dead to me.
 

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Jynthor said:
I refuse to take that as canon, if they base a game around it this series will be dead to me.
Why? whats wrong with it?

Nothing said in it hasn't been hinted at before in the ES series before.
 

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Lusty Argonian Maid anybody? No? Oh, well.

I can't remember the name of the book and I can't seem to be able to find it easily. It was about some guys who went vampire killing, if I recall correctly. And they hired a mage who specialised in illusion. But then tried to double cross her.

EDIT: Found it! Incident in Necrom [http://uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Incident_in_Necrom].
Heh, I remember finding it on an altar in the middle of the pale.

And it was from that moment that I decided to put more work into illusion.

My favourite has to be my personal bible, "The blessings of sheogorath".

For Our Lord Sheogorath, without Whom all Thought would be linear and all Feeling would be fleeting.

Blessed are the Madmen, for they hold the keys to secret knowledge.

Blessed are the Phobic, always wary of that which would do them harm.

Blessed are the Obsessed, for their courses are clear.

Blessed are the Addicts, may they quench the thirst that never ebbs.

Blessed are the Murderous, for they have found beauty in the grotesque.

Blessed are the Firelovers, for their hearts are always warm.

Blessed are the Artists, for in their hands the impossible is made real.

Blessed are the Musicians, for in their ears they hear the music of the soul.

Blessed are the Sleepless, as they bask in wakeful dreaming.

Blessed are the Paranoid, ever-watchful for our enemies.

Blessed are the Visionaries, for their eyes see what might be.

Blessed are the Painlovers, for in their suffering, we grow stronger.

Blessed is the Madgod, who tricks us when we are foolish, punishes us when we are wrong, tortures us when we are unmindful, and loves us in our imperfection.

Oh, and the Argonian account. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:The_Argonian_Account

One of the things I love about the elder scrolls books are that, especially in skyrim, you can often try to find things related to the stories.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Why? whats wrong with it?

Nothing said in it hasn't been hinted at before in the ES series before.
Personally I really don't like this futuristic crap in my fantasy. That's it really.
 

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Jynthor said:
Personally I really don't like this futuristic crap in my fantasy. That's it really.
It really isn't futuristic, its more magi-tech, which ES has PLENTY of.

I mean we already have
-Time-traveling war-machine terminators that are avatars of dead gods
-Spaceships made to colonize the moon
-Giant robots that contain the souls of the entire Dwemer race
-A entire floating island powered by a giant mechanical device that feeds on souls
-Mining robots sent back in time from the 9th era due to a war between The hist and The Jills
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Jynthor said:
Personally I really don't like this futuristic crap in my fantasy. That's it really.
It really isn't futuristic, its more magi-tech, which ES has PLENTY of.

I mean we already have
-Time-traveling war-machine terminators that are avatars of dead gods
-Spaceships made to colonize the moon
-Giant robots that contain the souls of the entire Dwemer race
-A entire floating island powered by a giant mechanical device that feeds on souls
-Mining robots sent back in time from the 9th era due to a war between The hist and The Jills
Could you provide sources for:
-Mining robots sent back in time from the 9th era due to a war between The hist and The Jills
-Time-traveling war-machine terminators that are avatars of dead gods
-Spaceships made to colonize the moon

I'd be most interested.
 

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Could you provide sources for:
-Mining robots sent back in time from the 9th era due to a war between The hist and The Jills
-Time-traveling war-machine terminators that are avatars of dead gods
-Spaceships made to colonize the moon

I'd be most interested.
1. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/kinmune
KINMUNE (Kinetically-Interlinked Nirnian Multi-User Exoform) started her existence as any other proxy-synthetic of the 9th Era aurbical mining guilds: a limited sentience deep-pressure capable "thot-box"?a dreamsleevishell used by remote mortal operators to run the rigs of Kynareth's illicit breath trade. Able to stream several live-wire mortal proxies at once, Kinmune was a top-of-the-line Hazardous Conditions Warprunner Exoform of an ayleidoon hegemony nearing another unceremonious end.

But then the Hist-Jilian wars spilled out of a Wheelian rip into the SubSys slice of 'brane-space, and things changed for Kinmune. With the outer colonies separated from Nu-Mundelbright chronoculic sync-net anchors, maintenance of space-time beyond the F-Shores faltered. As the barely-there Hist blink-root-ship armada fired an artillery barrage of 16th-dimensional mathematics at their Jilian enemies, impossipoint detonations stippled across the Ix-Egg and its clutch-satellites like some garish TalOSian hologram, only without the irony. Kinmune's synthetic body, caught in one of the blasts, suddenly found itself in the Ysgramorim, her mind an aggregate of the residual personalities of her last several users.
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2. The Song of Pelinal - http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal
[And then] Kyne granted Perrif another symbol, a diamond soaked red with the blood of elves, [whose] facets could [un-sector and form] into a man whose every angle could cut her jailers and a name: PELIN-EL [which is] "The Star-Made Knight" [and he] was arrayed in armor [from the future time].

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MK said:
On the nature of Pelinal (09/23/07):

Re: Pelinal, his closest mythical model would be Gilgamesh, with a dash of a T-800 thrown in, and a full-serving of brain-fracture slaughterhouse antinomial (Kill)3 functions stuck in his hand or head. We tend to forgive those heroes.

And thousands of years of Good Coming From Bad, and/or whitewash, ignorance, shame, his Song being read by the Knights merely as fancy rather than right record, etc, might explain the Order's reluctance to villify or apologize for him. Plus, no one wants to gets smothered in their sleep by moths.

That said, I sure would like to read the story of Alkosh whooping Pelinal's ass back to Cyrod when the Whitestrake's pogroms strayed too far into the Dragon-Cat's land.

On Pelinal, again (04/01/08):

Pelinal was and is an insane collective swarmfoam war-fractal from the future, you betcha.
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3. *edit* found it
http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1327177-tatterdemalion-the-lunar-province-of-secunda/page__fromsearch__1

Merry eyesore the elk is a forum name for Michael Kirkbride
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Jynthor said:
Could you provide sources for:
-Mining robots sent back in time from the 9th era due to a war between The hist and The Jills
-Time-traveling war-machine terminators that are avatars of dead gods
-Spaceships made to colonize the moon

I'd be most interested.
1. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/kinmune
KINMUNE (Kinetically-Interlinked Nirnian Multi-User Exoform) started her existence as any other proxy-synthetic of the 9th Era aurbical mining guilds: a limited sentience deep-pressure capable "thot-box"?a dreamsleevishell used by remote mortal operators to run the rigs of Kynareth's illicit breath trade. Able to stream several live-wire mortal proxies at once, Kinmune was a top-of-the-line Hazardous Conditions Warprunner Exoform of an ayleidoon hegemony nearing another unceremonious end.

But then the Hist-Jilian wars spilled out of a Wheelian rip into the SubSys slice of 'brane-space, and things changed for Kinmune. With the outer colonies separated from Nu-Mundelbright chronoculic sync-net anchors, maintenance of space-time beyond the F-Shores faltered. As the barely-there Hist blink-root-ship armada fired an artillery barrage of 16th-dimensional mathematics at their Jilian enemies, impossipoint detonations stippled across the Ix-Egg and its clutch-satellites like some garish TalOSian hologram, only without the irony. Kinmune's synthetic body, caught in one of the blasts, suddenly found itself in the Ysgramorim, her mind an aggregate of the residual personalities of her last several users.
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2. The Song of Pelinal - http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal
[And then] Kyne granted Perrif another symbol, a diamond soaked red with the blood of elves, [whose] facets could [un-sector and form] into a man whose every angle could cut her jailers and a name: PELIN-EL [which is] "The Star-Made Knight" [and he] was arrayed in armor [from the future time].

And

MK said:
On the nature of Pelinal (09/23/07):

Re: Pelinal, his closest mythical model would be Gilgamesh, with a dash of a T-800 thrown in, and a full-serving of brain-fracture slaughterhouse antinomial (Kill)3 functions stuck in his hand or head. We tend to forgive those heroes.

And thousands of years of Good Coming From Bad, and/or whitewash, ignorance, shame, his Song being read by the Knights merely as fancy rather than right record, etc, might explain the Order's reluctance to villify or apologize for him. Plus, no one wants to gets smothered in their sleep by moths.

That said, I sure would like to read the story of Alkosh whooping Pelinal's ass back to Cyrod when the Whitestrake's pogroms strayed too far into the Dragon-Cat's land.

On Pelinal, again (04/01/08):

Pelinal was and is an insane collective swarmfoam war-fractal from the future, you betcha.
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3. *edit* found it
http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1327177-tatterdemalion-the-lunar-province-of-secunda/page__fromsearch__1
Guess that's why I never heard of it, I don't read those lore things by MK, nor do I consider them canon, as far as I know they aren't unless you want them to be.
Thanks for finding that stuff though, I do think it's interesting, I just don't think it fits in the Elder Scrolls, at least not my vision of TES.

What exactly was Pelinal? I'm getting the feeling he wasn't mortal.
 

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Jynthor said:
Guess that's why I never heard of it, I don't read those lore things by MK, nor do I consider them canon, as far as I know they aren't unless you want them to be.
Thanks for finding that stuff though, I do think it's interesting, I just don't think it fits in the Elder Scrolls, at least not my vision of TES.

What exactly was Pelinal? I'm getting the feeling he wasn't mortal.
Kirkbride practically wrote Morrowind, he wrote Mankar's speech in Oblivion, and the Knights of the Nine DLC.

Furthermore his works on the Nu-Mantia intercepts, and Vehk's teachings are literally 100% required for the ES universe to work because without them there are massive plot holes.

Some of his stuff may not be canon, but given that the biggest pieces of works have been confirmed canon, and Bethesda will never say he is wrong, there's no reason to doubt his canonisity. Especially considered he has insider information on what Bethesda plans to do with the story.
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As for Pelinal, he was an avatar of Akatosh and Lorkhan.

He came from a time after Reman I took power and founded the second empire in 1E2703, as he shouted praises to Reman in battle, but also when there was no 9th god, so either before Talos ascended, or after Talos got taken out by the Thalmor.

He was sent to the early 1st era, specifically 1E 242, as a Shezzarine, an avatar of Shezzar, which is the Imperial name for Lorkhan, to help the slave-queen Alessia, the person who would found the first empire, overthrow The Ayleids.

The Akatosh part of him drew him mad, as Akatosh is crazy, causing him to go on murders rampages that were nearly unstoppable, though Alkosh, the Khajiit Akatosh did kick his ass once. He also had armor from future, gifted to him by the gods, and could shoot death from his hands.

He was cut down in White-Gold tower, in 1E 243, after he challenged Umaril to a one on one duel,a fight he won, despite Umaril first sending wave upon wave of Aurians after him, and after he defeated Umaril the other Ayleid mage-lords descended upon him and cut his body into 8ths, to mock his worship of the 8 gods, although he did live as a talking head some a short time afterwards.

He was basically a time-traveling terminator powered by the gods
 

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SajuukKhar said:
I'm not ignoring everything by MK, just the things in the "Obscure Texts" category.

As for Pelinal, I see. I can live with that, it doesn't seem futuristic to me, just magic.
 

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Jynthor said:
I'm not ignoring everything by MK, just the things in the "Obscure Texts" category.
The Nu-Mantia intercepts are in the obscure text category and are mentioned in the games.

And really the entire plot of Oblivion hinges on those intercepts.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Jynthor said:
I'm not ignoring everything by MK, just the things in the "Obscure Texts" category.
The Nu-Mantia intercepts are in the obscure text category and are mentioned in the games.

And really the entire plot of Oblivion hinges on those intercepts.
I haven't read all Obscure texts but from what I've read most are what I wouldn't consider canon, as for the Nu-Mantia, I really don't know what to think. Space Ship? Err. And what was this Dreamsleeve thing going on? I thought the Dreamsleeve was where souls got... "recycled" Yet people can communicate through it?(Techno babble included) It's all rather confusing.
 

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Jynthor said:
I haven't read all Obscure texts but from what I've read most are what I wouldn't consider canon, as for the Nu-Mantia, I really don't know what to think. Space Ship? Err. And what was this Dreamsleeve thing going on? I thought the Dreamsleeve was where souls got... "recycled" Yet people can communicate through it?(Techno babble included) It's all rather confusing.
To simplify it

According to Oblivion Dagon could invade Tamriel because the dragonfires were out because no dragonblooded king sat on the throne. The problem with this is that there have been centuries of time were no dragonblooded king sat on the throne, and thus no dragonfires, and yet the Daedric lords didn't just go stomp happy on Tamriel. This creates a massive plot-hole.

To solve the problem MK created the "towers" out of things destroyed in previous ES games. The towers are a series of objects, powered by stones, that hold up the mortal world, the first being Adamantine Tower, others include: White-gold, Red Mountain, Numidium, Crystal tower, the throat of the world, etc. etc.

When the towers are active they keep the barrier between Mundus and Oblivion, known as the luminal barrier, strong, explaining why the Daedric lords couldn't invade and destroy the world when the dragonfires were out in the past. However as each one falls so does the protection it provides, the dragonfires going out was not not the sole reason Dagon could invade, it was merely the last straw.

Each of the main ES games, except the first, has resulted in the Fall of a tower.
Daggerfall had Numidium destroyed
Morrowind had Red-Mountain go dormant when its stone, The Heart of Lorkhan was freed
Oblivion had White-gold go dormant after the amulet of Kings was destroyed
Skyrim had the throat of the world go dormant because of .... something.

Beyond that other towers were confirmed to be destroyed in the past. Orchalic tower was destroyed when the Redguards destroyed Yokuda, Crystal tower was destroyed by the daedra during Oblivion, but before Martin went god-mod at the end, Gree-Sap, the ancient walking tree city of the Bosmer called Flinsti stopped moving since recorded time and rooted itself shortly before Oblivion.

The towers were also mentioned in the Skyrim book "The book of the Dragonborn"
http://uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Book_of_the_Dragonborn
When misrule takes its place at the eight corners of the world
When the Brass Tower walks and Time is reshaped
When the thrice-blessed fail and the Red Tower trembles
When the Dragonborn Ruler loses his throne, and the White Tower falls
When the Snow Tower lies sundered, kingless, bleeding
The World-Eater wakes, and the Wheel turns upon the Last Dragonborn.

It is worth noting that NOWHERE before MK made the Nu-Mantia intercepts was Numidium, Red-Mountain, or The Throat of the World called towers.
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Also the dreamsleve is part of Atherius, the realm of magic, were souls go to get recycled and thrown back into the mortal world, high level wizards can highjack their thoughts into it to communicate with each other.
 

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My personal favorites go along the line of:

The Horror of Castle Xyr
Palla vol 1+2
The Cake and the Diamond
The Real Barenziah
The Lusty Argonian Maid (Obviously)
The Axe Man
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There's a lot of 'em I like, really. I had a habit of reading in-game books while eating, which bore me through many tales.