I'm pretty much with you here. I don't think that Star Trek was a particularly bad movie. In fact, I felt it was a middling to better action flick. It did not, however, feel like Star Trek (my big complaint) and it certainly didn't feel like science fiction.
The Big Picture: A Disturbance In The Force
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Blomkamp doesn't even need 200mil. He can do an excellent job on a quarter of that. Just look at the budget for District 9. Man's a regular Robert Rodriguez when it comes to spending.wyldefire said:
"corporate blandness" translation "here, here's a live grenade, you hold onto that". There's a phrase that instantly induces rabid emotion.
I don't really think that a director alone can repeatedly create the lighting in a bottle that is good art. Some are better at it, but it's still a fluke when something really good comes along. The best you can do to try and create it is to throw the best you can at a piece of art and hope it comes together. I don't think fanboying one director or another is going to help anything. They got a popular director who did Star Trek. Companies tend to do get popular directors who did related movie genres to do their movie. I don't begrudge them for that.
I do however think the idea that people are actively moving towards safe and mundane entertainment is stupid. It's a bit more complex then that and it involves not only movie but also games (and probably other media but I know those two for sure). It's very wide spread and i don't think its as easy to diagnose as saying people are artistically timid.
I don't really think that a director alone can repeatedly create the lighting in a bottle that is good art. Some are better at it, but it's still a fluke when something really good comes along. The best you can do to try and create it is to throw the best you can at a piece of art and hope it comes together. I don't think fanboying one director or another is going to help anything. They got a popular director who did Star Trek. Companies tend to do get popular directors who did related movie genres to do their movie. I don't begrudge them for that.
I do however think the idea that people are actively moving towards safe and mundane entertainment is stupid. It's a bit more complex then that and it involves not only movie but also games (and probably other media but I know those two for sure). It's very wide spread and i don't think its as easy to diagnose as saying people are artistically timid.
I DESPISE J.J. Abrams for what he did to the Star Trek franchise. He's a hack of a movie director. His " Star Trek " was like listening to science fiction sound effects while staring into the damn sun. He shouldn't be anywhere near the directors chair let alone STAR WARS. Do you really want Star Wars to look like this ??
While the thought was do the fans " deserve " a good movie is heavily implied I for one would have to say yes. Keep in mind we are talking about fans that buy the toys , video games , books , movies , hell even the crappy animated series just because they like the content. While yes some people will see anything they aren't the target fan base they are just looking for escapism. Thats fine by me but don't punish the fan base for it. The sad thing is thats just what the studio is doing by putting J.J. Abrams at the helm. When J.J. Abrams arrives expect a science fiction franchise to die.
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While the thought was do the fans " deserve " a good movie is heavily implied I for one would have to say yes. Keep in mind we are talking about fans that buy the toys , video games , books , movies , hell even the crappy animated series just because they like the content. While yes some people will see anything they aren't the target fan base they are just looking for escapism. Thats fine by me but don't punish the fan base for it. The sad thing is thats just what the studio is doing by putting J.J. Abrams at the helm. When J.J. Abrams arrives expect a science fiction franchise to die.
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I'm fine with Abrams directing star wars. I just don't want him having a hand in the cinematography, story, art direction, music or casting.
Abrams is perfect for the new Star Wars movie. Disney is going to want something with tons of space battles, high drama, and lightsaber fights - space opera - because that's what sells big both here and internationally. Particularly on the "international" markets, where all manner of cultural subtleties tend to get lost in translation (not to mention that raising political issues potentially means trouble with the Chinese film censorship board).
And you know what? Star Wars and Star Trek movies are at their best when they stop being so goddamned serious and just embrace the drama and cheese of full-blown space opera. It's why I enjoy Star Trek 2009, even though the plot is full of contrivances and plot holes. It's why the best and most entertaining Star Trek movie is Wrath of Khan, which is the closest that Star Trek gets to Space Opera Incarnate. I think Abrams can do that kind of film.
And you know what? Star Wars and Star Trek movies are at their best when they stop being so goddamned serious and just embrace the drama and cheese of full-blown space opera. It's why I enjoy Star Trek 2009, even though the plot is full of contrivances and plot holes. It's why the best and most entertaining Star Trek movie is Wrath of Khan, which is the closest that Star Trek gets to Space Opera Incarnate. I think Abrams can do that kind of film.
Well that's that.
I am so sick of the lack of dedication to these video's Bob. Do you even watch the final version? Your accent once again comes and goes. You can't pick which you're gonna use, or you can't be assed to fix it. That's fine.
I'll just stop watching in the hopes you've gone full accent or no accent.
Pretty disappointing I did love your stuff.
I am so sick of the lack of dedication to these video's Bob. Do you even watch the final version? Your accent once again comes and goes. You can't pick which you're gonna use, or you can't be assed to fix it. That's fine.
I'll just stop watching in the hopes you've gone full accent or no accent.
Pretty disappointing I did love your stuff.
I will guess you haven't read the starwars books, played the starwars shooter/RTS/MMO. I think the star wars universe is exactly as expanded and diverse as older mythologies. Do some googling and you will find a timeline and score of characters so immense that it could literally contain ANY movie you would want to make. Sure not everything is exactly cannon but it has spawned an immense amount of content and depth. Or is that not what you meant?Aetrion said:
I've been trying to form into words why i was doubtful about Abrams taking over star wars and Bob basically one UP'd me perfectly.
While i like abrams he doesnt seem to be a guy who make an epic film. and thats what star wars is, Space Epics, Space Operas. Even the bad ones have that glorious feel to them of being epics.
really only a handful of directors could have handled star wars in my opinion, and i preferably would have put someone like Ridley Scott in the seat.
Why?
Because Ridley's 'weakest' movies are still amazingly directed. And those films are not written by him. Films written by RIdley did to be fucking oscar worthy, especially directors cuts.
Remember Alien? fucking epic.
Prometheus? not as epic but it was fucking cool looking.
Blade Runner? hand me a pink cigarette.
or at the very least get the guy who directed Thor and tell him: Shakespear in Space, go for it.
While i like abrams he doesnt seem to be a guy who make an epic film. and thats what star wars is, Space Epics, Space Operas. Even the bad ones have that glorious feel to them of being epics.
really only a handful of directors could have handled star wars in my opinion, and i preferably would have put someone like Ridley Scott in the seat.
Why?
Because Ridley's 'weakest' movies are still amazingly directed. And those films are not written by him. Films written by RIdley did to be fucking oscar worthy, especially directors cuts.
Remember Alien? fucking epic.
Prometheus? not as epic but it was fucking cool looking.
Blade Runner? hand me a pink cigarette.
or at the very least get the guy who directed Thor and tell him: Shakespear in Space, go for it.