The Big Picture: Arch-Villains

[GazDM]

I have to disagree with your views on evolution and survival of the fittest, even though it scientifically explains how we came to be, it in no way should be applied into a moral and social context. After Richard Dawkins wrote The Selfish Gene he had to explain to a load of dicks who took it to mean that everyone should just be selfish that Darwinism shouldn't be used as a way of life. Now we have acquired intelligence through natural selection, we can overcome it. We have developed morality and ethics, possibly as a side-effect of other traits acquired through evolution or maybe because of beneficial mutualism, this means we can move away from the cold and heartless world defined by natural selection. That's why we have Fuckin' hospitals!

PS I enjoy the odd cigarette

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

the thing is so-called "fast food" is nowhere near as bad for you as stuff in a lot of sit-down restaurants. When at was at Anime Central nearly two weeks ago I ate at Giordano's (a famous Chicago pizza chain) and I don't even wanna THINK about how many calories that pie had.

 

[Jennacide]

So refreshing to see someone else discuss the belief that we have now broken Darwinism by sheltering the stupid from letting them off themselves. It's why I became a Libertarian actually, at least partially. People should be free to do most anything short of depriving another citizen of their freedoms, such as murdering them, and if that leads them to a quick death because they lack common sense or the concept of discretion, so be it.

 

[bombadilillo]

the thing is so-called "fast food" is nowhere near as bad for you as stuff in a lot of sit-down restaurants. When at was at Anime Central nearly two weeks ago I ate at Giordano's (a famous Chicago pizza chain) and I don't even wanna THINK about how many calories that pie had.

I am a big fan of the California laws that resturaunts must post nutrition info openly. Its a bit shocking and I think people think twice when they see the numbers. Oh that large freis is 200 more calaries....maybe I wont. Not a solution but its a start.

 

[Sikratua]

Bluntly, I was too engrossed by exactly how full of shit the Joe Camel bitching became to even pay attention to the rest of the video.

As a bit of background, I'm 31 years old, grew up in the Mountains of North Carolina, and was raised by a twice divorced father who smoked 2 and a half packs a day from his stint in Vietnam until his stroke in 2006.

I was in my early teens during the Marlboro Miles and Camel Cash promotions, and even have one of the duster jackets from the last year of the Miles promotion. (It's pretty nice. Comfy, too.) This was near the end of the Joe Camel era, when people like you were ready to murder Philip Morris and R.J. Reynolds executives, but were still quite happy to allow the Silver Bullet and the King of Beers to be advertised during Saturday morning cartoons. (Fucking hypocrites.) That said, do you know how many times I've smoked a cigarette, or anything else, for that matter, in my life? Zero. Why? Because inhaling smoke has never appealed to me. Meanwhile, we're bombarded, on a near constant basis, with imagery that openly proclaims that a person is downright anti-social unless they drink. Where the fuck's the line?

Let me try to put this in another way. You already have a video bitching about Michael Vick. But, Michael Vick is still young enough that he could include Garfield in his list of childhood influences. Garfield liked to kick the ever-loving shit out of Odie on a regular basis. Where are the government sanctions on newspaper comics? They endorse animal cruelty, right? Oh, shit! Jon lets Garfield eat too much! That's abuse, in and of itself!

And, before you say it, yes, I know that's absurd. The fact that it's absurd is the entire fucking point. At what point does a person legitimately lose responsibility for own's own decisions? Frankly, I think you're a fucking idiot.

 

[Weasker]

You're right. And also let's not forget fast food doesn't cause addiction or any kind of damage to people around those who eat it.

 

[Inuprince]

Wow, great episode, but you had to ruin the feel of it with that last bit about Pirates 4...

As Johnny Depp's character said in "Secret Window" : the ending is what really matters.

But seriously I liked very much what you talked about here, but I'll give you a hint :

If you make an entire Escape to the Movies episode about a movie, in which you go on about how much you hate it, we will get it, not everyone will agree with you, but you don't have to shove it into every show or article you create.

It somehow ruins the other important things you say here ...

While watching the show, I was like, this is interesting, quite a good opinion overall, and after hearing that last bit - oh c'mon this again, why end like this, I don't even care what you had to say before.

Ok maybe I do care if I wrote all this here, but still the ending left a bad taste.

 

[The Cheshire]

Well Bob, I agree with you, but as far as I know bad eating habits can just be as bad as smoking, as prolonged use of tobacco can lead to lung cancer, red meat is also linked to coronary diseases, that has to be taken into account.

Also, it's obvious that Joe Camel gets more sex than Ronald McDonald. Smoke kids, it may kill you, but at least it makes you look cool...until you are in chemo, that is not so cool.

 

[NooNameLeft]

I seriously though this was going to be a video explaning why the Joker is a great villian.

 

[bombadilillo]

Bluntly, I was too engrossed by exactly how full of shit the Joe Camel bitching became to even pay attention to the rest of the video.

As a bit of background, I'm 31 years old, grew up in the Mountains of North Carolina, and was raised by a twice divorced father who smoked 2 and a half packs a day from his stint in Vietnam until his stroke in 2006.

I was in my early teens during the Marlboro Miles and Camel Cash promotions, and even have one of the duster jackets from the last year of the Miles promotion. (It's pretty nice. Comfy, too.) This was near the end of the Joe Camel era, when people like you were ready to murder Philip Morris and R.J. Reynolds executives, but were still quite happy to allow the Silver Bullet and the King of Beers to be advertised during Saturday morning cartoons. (Fucking hypocrites.) That said, do you know how many times I've smoked a cigarette, or anything else, for that matter, in my life? Zero. Why? Because inhaling smoke has never appealed to me. Meanwhile, we're bombarded, on a near constant basis, with imagery that openly proclaims that a person is downright anti-social unless they drink. Where the fuck's the line?

Let me try to put this in another way. You already have a video bitching about Michael Vick. But, Michael Vick is still young enough that he could include Garfield in his list of childhood influences. Garfield liked to kick the ever-loving shit out of Odie on a regular basis. Where are the government sanctions on newspaper comics? They endorse animal cruelty, right? Oh, shit! Jon lets Garfield eat too much! That's abuse, in and of itself!

And, before you say it, yes, I know that's absurd. The fact that it's absurd is the entire fucking point. At what point does a person legitimately lose responsibility for own's own decisions? Frankly, I think you're a fucking idiot.

Maybe you should have watched the video because you agree with The main point of the video. SUPRISE! You didnt pay attention and came to cuss out people online, Way to go. The video clearly said the line was drawn then the companies LIED ABOUT THE HEALTH RISKS. So how can someone legitimately take responsibility for their actions when they are told those actions are NOT harmful?

 

[bombadilillo]

I seriously though this was going to be a video explaning why the Joker is a great villian.

Yes I thought it was going to be a examination oh heros and their villian and the they need eachother dynamic. I just watched Megamind so thats probably where I got it.

 

[pepitko]

Great definition of natural selection, picture of Peter Griffin was very fitting. I'm not sure about the McDonald's argument though. Because they are indeed marketing to children with Happy Meals and Ronald, but him not that much. I've experienced it many times that parents, who push their kids towards healthy foods, just sometimes give up and go for junk food and when that happens they usually choose the golden arches because kids cry that they want to go there because they'll get toys with their meals. This is where the natural selection comes into play, because some parents just give up completely on pushing a healthier diet rather then to hear all the crying and whining of kids. These kids then become obese and start racking up health bills, if you don't want the state to pick up the bill, you need to start solving the problem from the beginning.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for personal responsibility and hate it when people point fingers at governments and corporations to take blame for their stupidity, but I can understand some of their points as well.

 

[ace_of_something]

Bluntly, I was too engrossed by exactly how full of shit the Joe Camel bitching became to even pay attention to the rest of the video.

As a bit of background, I'm 31 years old, grew up in the Mountains of North Carolina, and was raised by a twice divorced father who smoked 2 and a half packs a day from his stint in Vietnam until his stroke in 2006.

I was in my early teens during the Marlboro Miles and Camel Cash promotions, and even have one of the duster jackets from the last year of the Miles promotion. (It's pretty nice. Comfy, too.) This was near the end of the Joe Camel era, when people like you were ready to murder Philip Morris and R.J. Reynolds executives, but were still quite happy to allow the Silver Bullet and the King of Beers to be advertised during Saturday morning cartoons. (Fucking hypocrites.) That said, do you know how many times I've smoked a cigarette, or anything else, for that matter, in my life? Zero. Why? Because inhaling smoke has never appealed to me. Meanwhile, we're bombarded, on a near constant basis, with imagery that openly proclaims that a person is downright anti-social unless they drink. Where the fuck's the line?

Let me try to put this in another way. You already have a video bitching about Michael Vick. But, Michael Vick is still young enough that he could include Garfield in his list of childhood influences. Garfield liked to kick the ever-loving shit out of Odie on a regular basis. Where are the government sanctions on newspaper comics? They endorse animal cruelty, right? Oh, shit! Jon lets Garfield eat too much! That's abuse, in and of itself!

And, before you say it, yes, I know that's absurd. The fact that it's absurd is the entire fucking point. At what point does a person legitimately lose responsibility for own's own decisions? Frankly, I think you're a fucking idiot.

You're kind of arguing the same point as him. That personal responsibility matters.

The distinction is that CHILDREN aren't completely cognizant and able to make informed decisions. Anyway, I'm the same age as you and where I grew up, a place where every family owned at least a few horses for practical reasons. Cowboys were cool. Guess what brand EVERYONE smoked in high school? Marketing works on many people. Now, I don't think that the Marlboro man is what caused them to smoke. It did however help them make their purchasing decision.

I don't think an 'all advertising mascots or none' is a solution. That's ridiculously black and white.

 

[gbemery]

I remember the reason when I wanted to go to McDonald's and other places when I was young was because I wanted a cheeseburger, fries, milkshake etc. Things that weren't normally at my house, and in most cases they had more flavor than what would be made at my house. Never once in my childhood did I say, "Mom, I want to go to McDonald's because Ronald is there!" or any other whacked out reason. Really if you think of it has any mascot in the history of advertisement ever made you or convinced you to think you need their product? Also I like how he took the last few moments to let us know AGAIN that he didn't like the Priates movie... nice one Bob'O :/

 

[vxicepickxv]

I'm not going to disagree that Camel Joe needed to get out of rotation, nor will I disagree with the ideas that you portray in this episode, however, people are dumb. People are dumb because we live in a shitty world. People are also lazy, and will generally take the fastest way out of doing something, because of the fact that they're dumb and lazy. Unfortunately, we also live in a world that's made of shades of gray, with almost no absolute rights or wrongs. We also live in a world with death in it, which ultimately life experiences, expectations, and senses of morality aren't always at the same point.

TL/DR version - We live in a shitty world where people die. People have different ideas and expectations of themselves and others.

 

[eNTi]

yeah defending a multi billion dollar company for doing bad stuff (and that's not selling unhealthy food) should be a top priority of every citizen. if you can't find anything wrong with mcds and consorts, you might just no looking hard enough or liking it too much. you draw the line, where people get hurt by other people and in the case of mcdonalds that line has been crossed indefinitely. do you really think they'll just outright accept open competition or real information about their products if they can help it? when was the last time a corp. like mcd, actually did something morally correct, without being TOLD so hundreds of times, by thousands of people giving them a bad image (that's all the care about)? right... you figure it out for yourself. you sure sound clever enough... and yeah. those last two examples of yours. you just showed, that there's no line, because those two were equally acceptable bad and good from your point of view.

 

[Zaverexus]

Hooray for natural selection...?