The Big Picture: Correctitude

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Lionsfan1986

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I obiviously am listening to the wrong people. If You watch Mike&Mike in the Morning and everytime they talked about Vick it was a "Wonderful Story of Redemtion" and one of them said that Vick killing dogs wasn't a big deal. Granted I din't know about what that comedian said and am glad to hear that. I'm just talking about these so called sports experts who are being told what to say and I do think he is a scumbag.
 

Islandboy2

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I was half expecting him to utter a cuss after saying "this is the big picture". He got really mad on this one didn't he. lol. This show does have some truth in it but i have a feeling he's just ranting about how stupid Foxnews pundents are. Which is very true, sometimes they do have a connotation of being very racist.
 

Kanazuchi

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Well done.

Funnily enough, my Dittohead days fell in those early '90s, where being a Republican was like asking to be ostracized. But now that that's behind me, I can look back and say what a dipstick Rush Limbaugh was. I will say this though: In one of his books he said exactly "words mean things," and that is true no matter what era you're from. When words no longer mean things, you've found Nineteen Eighty-Four.
 

Tyyka

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So does this mean Lord of the Rings was racist because it didn't have a black , asian , hispanic , and eskimo hobbit in it?

Also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg
 

Gunnyboy

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Video was nonsense. Thor didn't cast a black guy because "it's the 21st century" it did so to appease a demographic. Shoehorning a minority is worse than not having them at all.


I wonder how Bob feels that they're not going to give RoboCop his gun on the statue in Detroit. Likening it to Superman's heat vision.
 

Rakkana

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I don't agree with you. Because plenty of groups hiding under "political correctness" are going too far simply bullying anything they deem offensive on whim. These people can be bullies, and so can the others.

I works both ways just as does anything and insulting people who disagree isn't the greatest way to win fans whether they be right or wrong.

You yourself are a bigot.
 

RelexCryo

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MovieBob said:
Correctitude

MovieBob discusses the difference between being politically incorrect and just being a big, fat jerk.

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Moviebob, several times, has tried to verbally attack traditionalists, and traditional lifestyles, such as hunting. He has, several times, tried to stand up for untraditional lifestyles. He has acted as if attacks against traditionalism are perfectly reasonable, and attacks against untraditionalists are not reasonable. That simply is not equal.

To my knowledge, when someone points out the flaws of anti-traditionalists, such as pointing out that Gloria Steinem lied when she claimed that 3/4 of all women are raped by the age of 20, or how Andrea Dworkin said that the very act of a man putting his penis in a woman is a crime against women http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin Or Julie Bindel's writing's of how she hates men, he acts as if they are attacking feminism as a whole. As if attacks against unreasonable, bigoted feminists, somehow constitute an attack against feminists in general or women's suffrage. In reality, a criticism of anti-traditionalists is not necessarily a criticism of untraditionalists.

At the same time, he either acts as if attacks against traditionalists are only perfectly reasonable attacks against specific members of traditionalist society, which is inconsistent, or, worse, he acts as if anti-traditionalist bigotry is perfectly acceptable.

As far as I can tell, he simply does not treat traditionalists and anti-traditionalists equally. He seems to be an anti-traditional person, rather than a truly openminded person who supports diversity. I apologize if that is inaccurate, but to my knowledge he still has not apologized for his earlier remarks about hunters. He just seems to be an anti-traditional bigot to me.
 

faeshadow

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Bob... I think I love you.

(Except, I do think Jeff Dunham is funny. Not Carlos Mencia, though. His unrelenting dickery is just tiresome.)
 

elvor0

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I was about to disagree with you, but you explained your point rather nicely at the end there.

Yes I agree there is a difference between just being a plain arse and being politically incorrect, one is done out of pure igrorance and is actually hate directed, the latter is done to either make a point about society or for comic appeal, where the society point should be poinient and the joke should be just funny so people can laugh and it's obvious you don't actually mean offence.

The thing I am going to have to make a point about is when someone is just says a joke which isn't really directed at the group the people take offense to. People who say people are being PC is when a group has found offense in something that wasn't really offensive.

In the RE5 case or in the l4d2 case (shooting black people was being racist, was the point and thus all black zombies should be taken out). Capcom and valve obviously wern't or even trying to be offensive, they were set in Africa and New Orleans (where there is a sizable population of black people), and thus it stands to reason people there would be black. Extremist anti racism groups stated that this was being offensive and racist to black people, and attempted to censor it for being politically incorrect, when in fact it wasn't, as I'm sure all of us have the sense to work out.

The people who get annoyed at Political correctness usually have a point, and it's when something that shouldn't be censored is censored, such as when the people in charge decide that something is offensive when no one is actually offended by it, or if they are they need to grow up and realise that having black zombies isn't offensive to anyone. Nothing HAPPENS when you're offended, it's not a case of "there was a black zombie, I shot it and when I woke up..I had lepracy!" (bonus points if you get where that came from :p). It also comes from shoehorning things into it just to be politically correct for the sake of it.

I still don't like the idea of a norse god being black, not because I don't like black people but because he wasnt black in the comics or ANY of the norse mythology, which even though they are both fiction, still have their lore specifically outlined.

If we took an black god, and made him white because we feel like it, there would be a FUCKING MASSIVE outcry of racism, yet when we make white characters black, it's okay because we're being politically correct or diverse. I would be just as annoyed if they had Blade played by a white guy, as I am the norse god being played by a black guy. Blade is black and awesome, Norse gods are white and have fucking massive beards and come from a land of WHITE people. Their gods are going to be white, as outlined by years of mythology and dogma.

If we made a movie using christian mythology and changed the nationality and race of characters, there would be an uproar about it from the Christians, because even if I don't believe in it, the source material outlines how these characters should be.

Its the double standards that make people annoyed, if a joke is aimed at the majority it's okay, but if it's a minority (be it gays, muslims, blacks, or anything in between), someone, somewhere MIGHT take offense to it and it's rendered politically incorrect and censorable. Not everyone is a racist hate mongerer, most people just want to make people laugh, or make a game with black people in it because it's set in africa. Don't make everyone else suffer because a few select people hate everyone else, make them suffer.

Making a law about offending people is totally bollocks anyway, what offends me might not offend you, it all comes to gether about how you're raised, how tolerant you are, your culture and beliefs and anything else that makes you, YOU. The people who get riled up and make a big issue out of anything they can get their hands on don't deserve anyones attention, because THEY are the people who want everyone to hate each other, by making it appear wrong to say X.

If I say "don't do that I might catch the gay" I will blatently say it in a light hearted way because everyone knows you can't catch the gay, and I have nothing against gay people at all. Yet some bigwig would class that politically incorrect and attempt to censor me, because one gay person MIGHT be offended by me saying that, which means that if a gay person does get offended by me, it would mean they're not secure in their self and they're the ones that needs to sort it out, not me with my light hearted joke.

If someone makes a joke about Geeks, I will laugh, because I don't care, I'm comfortable with the way I am, and everybody else should be comfortable with who they are. Nobody likes anyone that is genuinely racist, sexist or homophobic, because they're utter cunts, which should make you feel even more secure about who you are, because prejudice people are generally booted out of social circles because more often than not people will just see them as cunts.

TL DR:

It's okay to shoot a white zombie, but shoot a black zombie and you will have hell to pay for being a KKK/Hitler spawn of satan.

Yahtzee got it right:

"A society where anyone can make jokes about anyone else and everyone laughs is a truly tolerant society. Political correctness-charged censorship only serves to engender resentment and distance between social groups. "
 

Mae Aloril

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Ok, so I'm just gonna put this here. I'm not really reading the thread so I apologize if it's been said already. I knew from the first few seconds of this review that Thor was gonna be brought up, and this is what I have to say about it. I'm all about stirring up some freshness in a piece of fiction with some cultural changes. I love it when they do it in things like Shakespeare and what not. The only contention I hold with making a person from the Viking Pantheon black is that this isn't just fiction, it's a mythology. It's a religion of the ancient Northern European people. There were very few, if any, dark skinned inhabitants of this area, so how would one end up in their pantheon. If we made a story about other cultures, like a Japanese Shinto folk lore or an African tribal story and just threw in random other races, don't you think that would piss a whole bunch of people off? When done like this, it seems like an attempt just to appease, not for some "freshness".
 

Mae Aloril

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"Not all view points must be treated equally".-Jon Stewart Bob disliking traditional values doesn't make him a bigot, it makes him a logical being who uses his brain for making rational decisions instead of, say, crushing beer cans.
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ

I completely disagree with you on this one Bob. what you are asking for is tantamount to censorship. Who gets to decide what is within reasonable limits of politeness? You? Our mother? Muslims?
 

Guitarmasterx7

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There are two things I don't like about political correctness

First of all, it frequently goes way too fucking far to demonize something for no reason. Why is it now that it's politically incorrect to refer to a black person as black? "African American" doesn't always fit because black people aren't always from Africa or American. "Minorities" I find to sound extremely condescending and personally if I were black I would find it way more offensive than "black." What was wrong with black? Pretty much the only thing that sets them apart from white people is the color of their skin, so when referring to the difference in skin tone wouldn't it make sense to use a color? Everyone was fine with it until it just randomly got deemed as politically incorrect one day and suddenly for some reason it's tabuu to say it.

The second thing I don't like is that it doesn't really encourage acceptance so much as it does pussification. If someone makes a joke about ethnicity (which often don't support actual racist viewpoints since the root of comedy is absurdity) by political correctness standards we're supposed to do what? Get pretend offended on behalf of the people it mocks? How exactly does that help us progress as a society? It doesn't prevent any legitimate racism it just attempts to cover up lighthearted jokes. The reason that people are able to paint themselves as freedom fighters for free speech against political correctness so easily is because political correctness demonizes if not censors free speech, and when that's directed at anything that isn't legitimate hate speech it doesn't come across as justified.
 

Urameshi13

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I think Mencia and Dunham are hilarious. Let's put aside the issue of where the former gets his material, but the theme of all his shows are don't try to offend people, but don't paralyze yourself in fear of it. Just live your life and treat people like you want to be treated.

Once again, you're kind of showing your left-leaning nature by making the point that all the trolls out there inhabit the right, trust me, there's a lot of balance in the world of trolldom.
 

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Father Time said:
Kumomaru said:
This is the first time i found myself being in enough disagreement with your opinion to be unable to pin it on one specific thing in the video.

However bone-headed an opinion might be, or how much you dislike it personally, it DOES have a right to exist and be out there.
He never called for censorship.
Not directly but he did say that the opinions are bigoted and have no place in modern society.
 

utility6

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Bob, thank you for that. It needed to be said. Also thanks for mentioning Bill Hicks. He is one of the overlooked greats.
 

Sandytimeman

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I dunno acknowledging change towards 21 century attitudes isn't always good. I happen to dislike the relationship they built between Sam and Frodo in the LotR movies. I know its the age old cry of bitter grumpy trolls or w/e but seriously book did it better, even if it was insensitive.

Now on to the main issue. I always use as my Mantra that it's context that matters not the words themselves(thank you Carlin). You can say the n word, and save us both a lot of time, or you can be an ass hat and word it so it takes a lot longer to say something just as insulting.