The Big Picture: Enough With The Batman Already!

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flarty

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MovieBob said:
Enough With The Batman Already!

Maybe we could use a break from Batman.

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It makes me smile that this is what you spend your time worrying about :)
 

Zer0Saber

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OK, just keep the Nolan canon and do the Batman INC angle. Make one of those Batmen the new Batman. Some completely different guy. They had the Batmen vigilantes in the Nolan movies. JUST GO WITH IT.
 

idodo35

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first thing i thought when i read the title
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and now to watch the video...
 

Gabanuka

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Meanwhile Young Justice one of the better DC cartoons has been canceled in lieu of a new Batman one.

You guy's aren't gonna top Brave and the Bold, don't even try.
 

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bigfatcarp93 said:
Macgyvercas said:
One can never have enough Batman.

Though I would like to see Batgirl show up at some point...
This post gave me an awesome idea:

BATGIRL TV SHOW.

Think about it: we know Barbara, in her early days, largely acted independantly from the Dynamic Duo, even stealing case files from her dad to do her own, low-level investigations. You could seriously do a live-action Batgirl show centered around this premise, with her fighting minor or poorly-known Bat villains: Killer Moth, Calendar Man, Black Spider, Anarky, Gearhead, Humpty Dumpty...

A heavy focus on Barbara's personal and school life, a la Spiderman, as well as her relationship with her family, a la Blue Beetle, and you have the makings of a great show! Not to mention more exposure for my favorite comic character, Babs...
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...Yeah. I'd watch that.
 

Reeve

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"Everybody already likes Batman"

I actually don't like Batman. I think Batman is boring - except for Batman Beyond, Batman.
 

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Marvel got there first and did it well organised and planned. They introduced the "less" known members of the Avengers and gave them a back story in movies (thus the universe is self contained within movies alone). They also made sure movies were successful by pumping in enough talent and money in Ironman (which kind of started the sequence) and Avengers (the one that had to be good).
Also there's the thing about what threat needs to be faced with a whole team of superheroes joined - either aliens or magic or both or every major bad guy from each of hero's background story joining forces...there really is no other way. And Marvel got there first as well (I'm talking about the regular movie goer, not the fans and those who actually follow comics) by putting it all in - now anything made after it is just going to be a copy of the Avengers.

On the other side there's what DC/Warner did "wrong" - Green lantern wasn't good, I'm guessing the production got f-ed up along the way and the whole thing was a mess. Lantern should have been the first JLA movie. Not Superman, not Batman, GL (Jordan or Stewart not important). Superman is just too big to spark interest in other things.
Wonder woman is in JLA what Thor is to Avengers, she brings so many silly things in, that her movie enemy should probably be the one that starts stuff in the JLA movie. Either that or Lex Luthor/Brainiac thing that's some times thrown around.

Problem with Batman, there are a few:
- right now, to the average movie goer, Batman is over, trilogy is done and Batman is retired and his knee is f-ed up and he found happiness and redemption (and love)
- Nolan's Batman is too realistic. Even Bob mentioned (I think) how the world in Avenger movies actually changed to magic after they find Thor's hammer. That can't happen with Nolan's version around. Also Batman needs to be more in the movie, Bruce is Batman's alter ego, not the other way around
- they need a new Batman - who is more of a detective, more of an "intellectual" (more than in any of the Bat movies so far), when surrounded by gods, Batman must have money and must have foresight (that might be his superpower that is not mentioned)
- Batman was just done, so what would be the reason (a good one) for doing a new one now?

What WB did good/great - the whole JLA cartoon series, they just did (are doing) all the things they wanted. Less budget and cartooning means less risk and less demand for pleasing everybody.
 

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How about a halfway and explore the bat-verse a little more: A Batwoman movie (worth it for the right wing pundantry reaction alone). Series about the early days of Batgirl, or Robin transisitioning into Nightwing or maybe something about Catwoman. Arkham Beyond (Arkham city with Batman Beyond cast). Or, god forbid, tone down the bat and make a show about Bruce Waye (Lois and Clark wasn't a great show, but I admire the idea of a show about the people at the Dailey Planet not overshadowed too much by the guy in tights).

There's actually not a bad idea: Gothem City PD, a show about the Gothem cops and seeing Batman's war on crime from their point of view. Possibly centre around Renee Montoya becoming the Question and slowing getting involved on the vigilante side.
 

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As long as it's done well, who gives a shit? There are very few heroes I don't like, I don't read all their comics, but if I liked them all, I'd be dropping like 200 bucks a month on comics, NOT GONNA HAPPEN
 

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I actually can't see how a JL movie would work anytime soon at all. It just sounds like they saw how successful The Avengers was want to do that.

Man of Steel would have to be VERY successful before it really becomes possible. Even then, is Nolan's gritty, realistic Batman not a little out-of-place with in comparison to everyone else? That's another thing - everyone else. I can't see many people caring who else is there if they didn't get their own movie first. That's what really made The Avengers great - each one of them was big enough of a character to carry a whole film on their own. The films themselves are proof.

At least a few others would need their own films first, or it will just be seen as "That film where Superman and Batman teamed up, and there were other guys there too".
 

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Frybird said:
I'm sort of used to everything being milked long after i lost interest.
They should honestly stop with scripting these things and just start being honest. "Superhero Movie No. 21254574: Because We Can't Afford to Lose the IP Rights or Lose Out to Marvel Studios."

I'm looking forward to a video game industry crash, and a superhero movie crash. Maybe once we stop rehashing the same figures over and over, we'll see something new and interesting pop up.

But, it's probably going to be another rehash of Space Jesus anyway. Because we love ourselves a Messiah Complex.
 

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Maybe Batman could do what the Batman does and the entire movie just work from the shadows. Never have two lines of dialogue. Well, maybe bruce wayne have one or two for kicks. Just a dark figure working in the background the whole time. Yeah, it would probably turn out a bit deus ex machina-ish, but he's supposed to be sneaky.
 

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I demand a "The Question + Huntress + Black Canary + Green Arrow"-Movie... you all remembered the best espisode of Justice League (Double Date), yes?

Hell throw in Booster Gold and such. Make it not as grimdark but keep the production value high. Ah dammit... make it a series, can't have that in a short 2-3 hours.

Ok... revamped idea: Make a Question series, but opposed to the Green Arrow one not "gritty and realistic". Would be fun to follow a quasi-hero, a "detective" in a superhuman world with aliens and stuff.
 

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OtherSideofSky said:
Outside of the proposed Justice League movie itself, I definitely don't want to see any more Batman for a while.
I'd love another Batman movie tomorrow. Seriously, there are so many interpretations of the character they could do one tomorrow very different from Nolan's vision and we'd still have something fresh.

My hope is we see the Batman and the world of Arkham City brought to the big screen.

I agree with Bob in that, they're going to have to work hard to make Bruce Wayne relevant with alien Jesuses around and not seem silly.

My bet: they can do it. Bring it on!
 

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TwiZtah said:
Yes please, I fucking hate Batman.

He might be the biggest villain in the DC universe, because he KNOWS that The Joker etc. will escape from Arkham and kill more people, therefore he is also indirectly responsible for those killings.
Couldn't you extend that complaint to commissioner Gordon and all police who Batman gives custody of the Joker to?
 

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Based on my fleeting memory of the JLA comics of the 90s, I seem to recall Batman showing up late to all the meetings, or having been there the whole time but out of sight and suddenly appearing, startling one of the secondary members of the squad. And then he would sit in the corner brooding and, aside from a brief private interlude with "Clark" would not socialize with anyone at all. And all of the other members would kind of stay away from him cause he creeped them out and wasn't all buddy-buddy like Booster Gold, except every once in a while he would deck Guy Gardner and they would think he's a freaking hero on the strength of that alone.

Seems to me it would be real easy to do a Justice League movie with minimal Batman story; just relegate him to the shadows. Shoot, if you do it right, it could be a CGI Batman with no spoken dialogue and nobody would think anything of it.
 

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Sorry Bob, it'll suck. DC has about as much confidence in it's non-Batman superheroes that Batman shows up in their comics just to tell them how much they suck as a way to boost sales. Half of DC's writers treat him as this omniscient god and the others are convinced Batman can't be Batman without being a psychotic living by a more refined version of the Code of Dexter.
 

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I want more Batman a lot more Batman, and a I want a Batman that is ruthless, that is dark like Nolan`s version, but less attached to "realism", HOWEVER, I want him to show in the Justice League and his solo movies can wait, I do agree it's high time they capitalize on DC, if Superman works (first time EVER I'm hyped about anything Superman ahahah, well other than the New 52 stories, which I love), they can make it a trilogy or something and do introduce Kara somewhere in a decent way (not like the new "Robin-cop"), maybe a new attempt at a Green Lantern movie (how did they get THAT wrong???), and surely a Wonder Woman film, I mean, shit, go all 300 meets Clash of the Titans with her and they'll be fine (anyone ever imagined a WW game that played like God of War? HELL YEAH!), then they can have another swing at the Bats, and maybe go loco with a full trilogy with the joker as the villain, or maybe an adaptation of Court of Owls (I won't say Death of the Family, cause that would imply a shitload of characters to be introduced...)
 

Elvaril

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I was already sick of Batman after The Dark Knight. I loved Heath Ledger's Joker and all the secondary characters, but honestly found Christopher Nolan's Batman to be the least interesting character in the film. Batman should not be the most boring part of Batman.