The Big Picture: Fair Game
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Nice video, Bob, but I have to say that I haven't run across many examples of this attitude, myself, so it would help if you'd provide some concrete illustrations of where you've run across it to at least anecdotally demonstrate that it's quite prevalent.
If it makes you feel better....upgray3dd said:
OT however I don't know ... seems like there are lots of apologists, neutrals and dialetheists AS WELL as hardliners and iron fisters on the internets.
Fairness in something as global and important as News Reporting is something we SHOULD have - and you're right, the BBC does it well by all accounts.Flying Dagger said:
Fairness in internet forum discussion... less so. Internet discussion is not providing a 'report' about facts in evidence and theories about them, it is people discussing their opinions - very different things. The same rules should not apply, and it is counterproductive to discussion for everyone to always hesitantly agree for fear of being contrary to the group.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't be civil or that we should allow threads to degenerate into raging flamewars that accomplish nothing - that's not discussion either really, I don't even know what to call that other than douchbaggery. It just means that if you have an opinion, because you are not a network responsible for the opinions of millions of viewers you might sway, you are permitted to voice it without qualification or pandering to the other side if you choose not to. We're not obligated to be lukewarm about everything and the fact that so many people have chosen to do that instead of risk a tiny bit of intellectual conflict is rather sad I think.
Does anyone else find this a little hypocritical? I mean literally his first episode was to troll/show his hate for the Halo franchise and laugh at the legion of "Fanboys". We understand Bob, you do not like Halo, but do we think you hate the Xbox and FPS in general? No, but going off and making several (I'm counting his review of Legends and past exploits in this IE saying that Michael Bay should go direct something he hates just to hate it more) videos and then saying this type of thing should stop only seems to make his argument weaker.
That's not his point though. His point isn't that, when comparing something, not to compare it to it's obvious alternative like Gears and Killzone. He's saying that declaring your love of Killzone, without comparing it to Gears, does not mean you're being unfair or biased.Flying Dagger said:
So if you are making a statement of comparison, yes, obviously compare it to its like counterpart, but not every statement requires unbiased comparison is all he's saying, and people shouldn't be crucuified for mentioning one without the other.
How dare you be biased against people with biased opinions!Vault Citizen said:
Oh shit, now I'm biased against your bias about people with a bias... *Head Explodes*
On a more serious note, I've actually seen quite a bit of this. Every now and then I have to be extremely careful what I say on this site to avoid starting a massive flame war. Whenever someone makes a JRPG or Anime related post I normally force myself to avoid it if only to prevent someone retaliating as soon as I make any kind of argument in favor of Japanese gaming. The last time I really noticed it was in a discussion about the Persona 4 episode of Extra Credits. Everyone decided to chime in with uninformed opinions about a game they had never heard of until that very minute and anyone attempting to defend the game (aka people who had actually played it) were promptly flamed.
I've got to say, I've never encountered this sort of thing in my internet surfing. The closest I've gotten is just being called an idiot for liking Halo. Admittedly, I really don't engage in other forums than the ones here, so I've got to ask: Does this really happen? Do people really do this?
I may be wrong about this but didn't bob make a comment about people who didn't like the old adam west batman series being fan boys.
Ugh this was by far the worst episode of The Big Picture i've watched. It was like some old man decided to browse 4chan then say how horrible internet culture is. The worst part is, you WORK on the damn internet, you should have the common sense to realise, yes, when you have a community of anonymous, opinionated teeangers, HEY MAYBE THEY'LL MAKE PRETTY DUMB ARGUMENTS.
And what the hell did the Fairness Doctrine have to do AT ALL with the topic at hand!? It was a nice little bit of information, but having to present both sides of an issue and some kids deciding to rivalise game consoles are not similar in the slightest. I'm sorry Bob, but that was a complete mess of an episode, I hope you clean up your act next time.
And what the hell did the Fairness Doctrine have to do AT ALL with the topic at hand!? It was a nice little bit of information, but having to present both sides of an issue and some kids deciding to rivalise game consoles are not similar in the slightest. I'm sorry Bob, but that was a complete mess of an episode, I hope you clean up your act next time.
Uh yeah, because it was his opinion. And because he said it, he got backlash from a vocal opposition who forgot that they don't have to agree with what he says. All they could say was "Oh no! He called us Sheep, therefore his opinion doesn't matter. Let's tell him how much we hate him because we disagreed."Pugiron said:
I don't understand why people can't handle it when someone says they don't like a certain movie or game or whatever. It's called opinion for a reason.
Oen of my friends decided that he would use BBC and i used to use it but forgot it existed. Now I use it.Flying Dagger said:
I dont' think making comparisons was what he thought was bad. he thought that the fact that you could't put one above the otehr as bad.
i am a byist big picture fan boy it seems XD and wait i cant like my xbox and my ps3 but for different resons
I'm not sure where Bob has been spending his time on the internet, because this is honestly not an issue I see cropping up very often.
Personally, I would say fanboyism is characterized by an inability to accept that others don't like whatever it is they're a fanboy of. I see it less when people talk about what they like, and more when they talk about things they don't. As in someone will express their disapproval for something and the fanboys descend upon them to rip them apart.
Using the Killzone 2 example, when someone calls someone a 360 fanboy for not liking it, the person defending it is more likely to be the fanboy.
Thus, a fanboy can be spotted by what they do and say, rather than what they don't say.
(Rhetorical)Why did Bob bring this up? Well, I'm guessing Bob is getting annoyed by the contents of his inbox. All I can say to that is, sorry, but if you have an opinionated internet show (or 2 in your case) it goes with the territory. There will always be people who can't stand others disagreeing with them, or who think everyone should like all the things they like, etc.
What I think people on the internet need to stop doing, personally, is all the ad hominem attacks. Seriously, at least 50% of all internet arguments consist of nothing but personal attacks that have nothing to do with the topic being discussed.
Civility people is not the fairness doctrine. It's being able to express your opinion and disagree with someone without acting like a jackass. Calling someone names, insulting them, or disregarding their opinion on trivial grounds is stuff you would do in elementary (primary) school. However, in all my time on the internet I've only run across a handful of people who can have a serious discussion about anything without resorting to those methods.
I guess, the only thing I have against what you said, Bob, is that you're confusing what's been happening with attempted civility when, in reality, it's the farthest thing from it.
Personally, I would say fanboyism is characterized by an inability to accept that others don't like whatever it is they're a fanboy of. I see it less when people talk about what they like, and more when they talk about things they don't. As in someone will express their disapproval for something and the fanboys descend upon them to rip them apart.
Using the Killzone 2 example, when someone calls someone a 360 fanboy for not liking it, the person defending it is more likely to be the fanboy.
Thus, a fanboy can be spotted by what they do and say, rather than what they don't say.
(Rhetorical)Why did Bob bring this up? Well, I'm guessing Bob is getting annoyed by the contents of his inbox. All I can say to that is, sorry, but if you have an opinionated internet show (or 2 in your case) it goes with the territory. There will always be people who can't stand others disagreeing with them, or who think everyone should like all the things they like, etc.
What I think people on the internet need to stop doing, personally, is all the ad hominem attacks. Seriously, at least 50% of all internet arguments consist of nothing but personal attacks that have nothing to do with the topic being discussed.
Civility people is not the fairness doctrine. It's being able to express your opinion and disagree with someone without acting like a jackass. Calling someone names, insulting them, or disregarding their opinion on trivial grounds is stuff you would do in elementary (primary) school. However, in all my time on the internet I've only run across a handful of people who can have a serious discussion about anything without resorting to those methods.
I guess, the only thing I have against what you said, Bob, is that you're confusing what's been happening with attempted civility when, in reality, it's the farthest thing from it.