It's sweet that you want to assume the best of fans of a largely sexist industry.Scarim Coral said:
The Big Picture: Favorite Ms. Take - Part 1
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I am wondering the same thing. My knowledge of the Marvel universe is limited to the cartoons, so Ms. Marvel to me is the woman Rogue put into a coma when she got her powers. Not much knowledge of anything else, so these episodes will be very informative.Vault Citizen said:
It's only a name. Not to mention, more a play on his "moviebob" title. Besides, he laid out his aim at the beginning of the series, and this isn't out of line. If you think it is, the problem isn't him.Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
I believe this was asked when Bob appeared in Desert Bus. He said he liked it, but he didn't seem like a huge fan. Does this make him a "brony"?Orks da best said:
Wait a minute... People did not notice anything weird about a woman being raped by her future son. Then giving a birth to him and then fall in love with him?
Ohhhkaaay.
Ohhhkaaay.
At least the Avengers got slightly better with counseling Mind-Control-Quasi-Rape-Victims in Alias (not the TV Series, although it will be turned into one it seems)...
...or...not really, with Thor hitting a highly traumatized and confused C-List Superhero in the Face with his un-metaphorical Hammer.
...Well, at least they were all sorry in the end.
...or...not really, with Thor hitting a highly traumatized and confused C-List Superhero in the Face with his un-metaphorical Hammer.
...Well, at least they were all sorry in the end.
But it had BABIES! All women can ever want! So getting pregnant (no matter how) is just what she wanted!CommanderKirov said:
And to top it all, she also got a man out of it, so doubly good.
Seriously, it's really twisted.
And creepy that the writers apparently didn't see it as a violation.
For me, the creepiest part isn't the implied rape (which is pretty twisted when you think about it.)
Rather, it's the notion that the guy impregnated a chick with himself. Then said chick fell in love with the guy who she had recently given birth to.
I mean... da fuck?
Rather, it's the notion that the guy impregnated a chick with himself. Then said chick fell in love with the guy who she had recently given birth to.
I mean... da fuck?
Actually, by contemporary definitions, that was technically not rape. Before you flame me, allow me to explain:
As many here are fairly aware, rape in and of itself is one of the newer violent crimes established in western traditions. As such, what defined rape was very limited to violent forcible penetration without consent. The stereotype rapist were pretty much the only ones targeted by this definition. Many jurisdictions even required a resistance by the victim in order to establish force. As such, intercourse by coercion or deception were legal in many jurisdictions up until the 1990s when many reexamined the laws and amended them to include such tactics.
Some examples:
In a 1985 case, one American woman in New York was randomly called up and told she had a fatal disease and the only way to cure it was to have sex with a doctor's "assistant" (the caller wasn't even a doctor). The appellate court rule it not rape.
A 1988 case in Pennsylvania had a 14-year-old girl who had been released from juvenile detention into the custody of the defendant, who threatened to send her back unless she had sex with him. The appellate court reversed a conviction for rape due to lack of force.
One 1990 case whereby a principal at a Montana high school threatened to withhold a diploma from a graduating female student unless she had sex with him (she complied) was ruled reprehensible, but not rape.
Sadly, had Ms. Marvel realized what had actually happened to her and filed charges, her son/lover would probably have not been found guilty, or, failing that, would have had his conviction overturned on appeal.
But by now everyone should know that last generation's romance is this generation's stalking.
As many here are fairly aware, rape in and of itself is one of the newer violent crimes established in western traditions. As such, what defined rape was very limited to violent forcible penetration without consent. The stereotype rapist were pretty much the only ones targeted by this definition. Many jurisdictions even required a resistance by the victim in order to establish force. As such, intercourse by coercion or deception were legal in many jurisdictions up until the 1990s when many reexamined the laws and amended them to include such tactics.
Some examples:
In a 1985 case, one American woman in New York was randomly called up and told she had a fatal disease and the only way to cure it was to have sex with a doctor's "assistant" (the caller wasn't even a doctor). The appellate court rule it not rape.
A 1988 case in Pennsylvania had a 14-year-old girl who had been released from juvenile detention into the custody of the defendant, who threatened to send her back unless she had sex with him. The appellate court reversed a conviction for rape due to lack of force.
One 1990 case whereby a principal at a Montana high school threatened to withhold a diploma from a graduating female student unless she had sex with him (she complied) was ruled reprehensible, but not rape.
Sadly, had Ms. Marvel realized what had actually happened to her and filed charges, her son/lover would probably have not been found guilty, or, failing that, would have had his conviction overturned on appeal.
But by now everyone should know that last generation's romance is this generation's stalking.
So I am only one to have no problem with that story?
And "raped"? More like "tricked" (Similar to what happens in clubs - some idiot comes dressed nice, plays good guy, buys few drinks, has sex). And it all ends nice (After "brain wash" washes away she is OK with all that and even continues relationship... And you call that "rape"...). If he kidnapped her and right away raped her then it would be RAPE. Obviously I haven't read that comic and don't know details and i also don't care about your opinion.
And "raped"? More like "tricked" (Similar to what happens in clubs - some idiot comes dressed nice, plays good guy, buys few drinks, has sex). And it all ends nice (After "brain wash" washes away she is OK with all that and even continues relationship... And you call that "rape"...). If he kidnapped her and right away raped her then it would be RAPE. Obviously I haven't read that comic and don't know details and i also don't care about your opinion.
It'll probably come up. Rogue was actually created for the purpose of killing Ms. Marvel after this mess, yet this being Marvel, death never sticks.unacomn said:
You know it seems to be that with the right re-tooling, Ms. Marvel could really be Marvel's answer to Wonder Woman... or even Superman. I've never even read a comic with her in it and I know who she is and parts of her back story. She's got a unique look, mainstream powers, and her name is Ms. Marvel!
You could make her the Superman of Marvel. Make her tough, and even if she isn't a natural leader like Captain America she can, thanks to so many heroes knowing her, be the rallying cry that unites them. I think it's a direction worth looking at.
You could make her the Superman of Marvel. Make her tough, and even if she isn't a natural leader like Captain America she can, thanks to so many heroes knowing her, be the rallying cry that unites them. I think it's a direction worth looking at.
Rape does not have to be violent. If you drugged a woman (alcohol counts) and slept with her, it can, has, will, and SHOULD be considered rape. The examples you mentioned involved the women making a "choice", but if the victim's mind is altered (like Ms. Marvel's was with mind control) then, yes, it is unwilling sex upon a woman not in her proper state of mind to make rational decisions.The Gentleman said:
I know this story and I know this story well. Bob is going to bring up what happened to Ms. Marvel in his next episode, I wager. Spoiler: she was PISSED. She returned angry and upset, claiming she was mind controlled into everything and none of her friends questioned it or tried to stop her. Her friends failed her and let her be used, mentally and physically.
That is rape.
I don't often speak out on that, but I've been the victim of such actions myself. I HATE saying it, but, yes, I was raped once. It was miserable. Terrible. It left mental scars I carry with me to this day and it continues to affect every relationship I have and every act of love I do.
As a lover of comics, however, I continue to be disappointed with how women were, and still are, portrayed. Earlier this year, a woman was booed at Comic Con for asking the male-dominated leaders of DC Comics to have more prominent female heroes and to give them more respect. What the hell, people?
I played a game with my fiance; could we name a single female heroine that has not 1) been killed, 2) depowered, 3) raped, 4) been shoe-horned into a marriage, or 5) gotten pregnant.
... We were only able to name ONE (love ya, Squirrel Girl). From Wonder Woman to She-Hulk to Ms. Marvel to Scarlet Witch to Jean Grey to Batgirl to Storm to Black Canary to Power Girl to practically every other female character...
It's okay to break Batman's back; he'll get better. Batgirl gets shot, she's paralyzed for life. It would not be okay to turn Captain America into a sleazy, sex-crazed man-bimbo, but it's okay to do that to Starfire. It's not okay to RAPE Spider-man, but so many female heroines have been to the point that it's sickening. It's not okay to kill Alfred and stuff his body into a refrigerator, but, screw it, let's do that to Green Lantern's girlfriend.
I want to enjoy comics. As a girl, and a rape victim, I need empowering heroines in my life. Neither Marvel nor DC really seem to understand that and continue to write sexist comics almost exclusively for horny young boys. The new Catwoman comic spent 2 whole pages focusing on her boobs and butt before we even bothered to see her FACE. Can you imagine a Batman comic where two whole pages (of a 20 page comic) are spent on Batman's crotch and ass?
*breathes* Okay. Rant over people. See you next week, Bob.
Did you even read my whole post? I said a comics episode every now and then is fine, I don't have a problem with the concept. I'm just saying it would be NICE if he didn't do them quite as often. Because I personally don't find them interesting, but I DO find the episodes about complex issues interesting. My opinion of this episode and the show reflect this. And there's nothing wrong with that.Zachary Amaranth said:
And how is "The Big Picture" a play on "Moviebob"? The only thing I can thing of is calling movies "big pictures" but that doesn't make any sense as he's not talking about movies.
I know it was, and I did not react well to the notion that this story existed at all, although I suspect the writer was attempting to parallel some of the really fucked-up Greek god myths in the process. My point was that rape as defined in court as late as 1990 probably would have not sided with her. The utter disrespect for women's rights was not just a comic thing, it was a cultural thing. It was and still is extremely depressing.Trishbot said:
On a side note, Oracle's a more interesting character in relation to overcoming her paraplegia and using brains rather than brawn to borderline command pretty much all the local vigilantes in Gotham. Probably the best story involving her was No Mans Land, where she creates a massive spy network to monitor the city while Batman attempts and fails to retake portions of the city.