The Big Picture: In Defense of "Booth Babes" (sort of)

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itsmeyouidiot

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Anyone who calls anyone else a "White Knight" for wanting women to be treated fairly is an idiot, plain and simple.

Not everyone is a lecherous scumbag whose only motivation for defending women is sex; some are just decent fucking human beings who don't want people acting like bigots.
 

Atmos Duality

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Well, this topic is certainly venomous.
So instead of engaging in the shit slinging, I'll just comment on the video.

My philosophy for "Booth Babes" is simple: I smile or nod politely, and then ignore them.

They're being paid to advertise a product or service in a way that doesn't add to the product/service they're advertising.

More bluntly, "She doesn't come with the goods, so why should I care?"
I don't go to cons for mere eye-candy, nor would I have to so long as the internet exists.

Trade conventions aren't Jabba the Hutt's palace of seedy horrors*.
The models doing displays are there entirely of their own volition. Is it demeaning to those women? Ask them, because I don't think of them any less just because of what they're doing.

(*though the potential joke here is tempting, but too obvious)
 

Dandymanx

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Somewhat lazy effort this week I feel Mr C

It just felt like a lukewarm version of the geek shall not harm geek (or others) Big Picture from the other week, which I really liked, plus you let the white knight trolls in...again...
 

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Dragonbums said:
As a woman, I do feel uncomfortable with booth babes.
More or less because it subconsciously re inforces that the only women in the gaming sphere, are the ones who are there for the tits.

That is not to say we should ban them.
They are people too. This is their job.
It pays the bills, and keeps a roof over their(or their families) heads.

I just wish that they dress in actual relevance to the game they are promoting.
Which is a big thing for me.
I would be fine with booth babes if they dressed like Tali or something.
But when you just have a strip bikini?


Where is the relevance here?
I think this is a fine compromise right here. noone loses there job and you still get your eyecandy if only more....oh whats the word? subtle? meh something something cant see as much titty something something you get it.
 

Link_to_Future

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:/

So I just watched this video a few minutes ago and I haven't followed any debate so far but I really need to express my confusion. Perhaps it is simple ignorance on my part or perhaps I have again underestimated the inherent sexism of gamer culture but regardless I have a simple question in my mind.

If one identifies as a gamer, does the gender really matter?

Maybe this simply comes from my perspective. Maybe the only friends I have who are female share my geekier tendencies and are, by definition, gamers. But if there are those of us applying "booth babe" to anyone who happens to appear attractive at a convention, then what does that say about the current popular mindset of our hobby?

I have never liked booth babes. Even when I was watching E3 on G4 back in 2005, I never really understood why every there seemed to be a scantily clad model featured as a prelude to every single game trailer. I understand the frustrations with relying on such models because frankly I feel that relying on them reflects poorly on our past time. Sex sells but obviously selling sex is sleazy, right?

But there seem to be gender issues rooted far deeper than that simple objection. A certain level of elitism that comes from geek sheik. We the nerds, so long abused and ignored, are now popular. And as such, we must hold and defend this new position on the mountain no matter the cost. If we fight down at the level of those who insulted and bullied us in the past, it doesn't matter. We are now the kings. No one may join us if we do not feel they deserve our kingdom.

I just...really don't get it. I try to treat all of those I know with a sense of humanity over gender. I do not deny that I am an asshole, especially in my weaker moments. I merely deny that I'm a sexist asshole.

I really just hope the issue is a vocal minority rather than the silent majority. I really do.
 

Shia-Neko-Chan

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The fact that Bob has to put out a common sense video like this really shows the maturity of this industry and its community.
:/

Actually, it's been this immature for years now. I don't know why this still has an effect on me. :/

edit: now that I've thought about it for a few minutes, I guess it's because I always dreamed about getting into the gaming industry and making games myself, but I just can't agree with how the people in this industry are sometimes.

I suppose I could always just suck it up or quit if I don't like it, but even still. That doesn't make it any less saddening.
 

Peer Gynt

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I'm sure most of the problems surrounding this issue will stop once all trade shows either ban Booth Babes or advertisers start being required to turn up with a proportionate number of half naked Booth Boys.
 

Eldritch Warlord

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I don't really see how "booth babe" is more dehumanizing than "model." Babe is specifically human, and often a term of endearment. Model is generally inhuman, a category of machines or implements or a prototype/demonstrative example for one.
 

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At my first E3 in 2005, I started a conversation with one of the floor models. She explained to me the whole process with modeling and the casting agencies and the convention circuit in Los Angeles. I found it interesting and it seemed like great pay for a couple days work and help them get modeling gigs, so I never found any problem with it after that.
 

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Not thinking that the eyecandy knows about their product is not misogyny. It's very much common sense. I wouldn't think that the attractive women who pose in front of cars in front of trade shows know about the cars they're trying to help sell either. They're not there because they know about the product and want to sell you on its features. They're there to look good and draw your attention to product. The issue is NOT that women have to prove themselves before we accept them as part of gamer culture. Come on, Bob. Plenty of industries do this same thing and I don't think anyone would say they expect the babes to know anything, because that's not why they're there.

I want to be able to object to this type of position without these casual accusations of sexism. It's a cheap, lazy, insulting, and downright gross thing to do to your customers, and I think more people should say so. I'm getting tired of this culture where if you object to things like this, it's sexism. If you refer to groups of women in ways relating to their position, because that position is awful, when making an insult, it's sexism. It's not sexism.

Neither is objecting to people drawing your attention to a product with their breasts while there are breasts in the game. If these sleazy tactics were used to sell movies with big busted women, it would be equally shallow and equally insulting. The problem isn't breasts. Sexuality, when displayed for the right reason and in the right ways, is good! But you have to remember that context means everything. Something so insincere and pandering as booth babes is not the same as a character in a game looking sexually appealing.

It isn't a matter of growing up. Hell, getting rid of what you seem to imply is immature about these games would strike me as an immature myself. It's not childish and it shouldn't be demeaned. People should be free to make the games they want to make for the people who want to make them. We shouldn't rag on people doing that because sometimes what they do doesn't appeal to everyone. We don't want to be that community that complains when someone does something that you don't personally like. Instead, we should empower others to make games that they like that don't feature the aspects of games you don't. It really is that simple.
 

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Maybe my 'ultra male' side is speaking to me on this moment. But who cares what they do or do not know about the presentation they are giving. A pretty woman is a pretty woman to me, just talk to them when you can. I think they appreciate it because standing there and being pretty all damn day isn't fun. I am a casual gamer so I don't get too much excited about a game, but I do enjoy the company of a woman even if she just get paid to sit/stand there. Wait... that came out wrong.
 

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SirBryghtside said:
Abomination said:
Aaaand so if someone at any time anywhere uses the term "white knight" even if the individual is only defending/siding with a female in the hopes of receiving sexual favors for being a "nice guy" then the person who mentioned someone being a "white knight" - by your definition - is a developmentally stunted man-child?

What if I told you that many concepts are frequently useful at a time and eventually they are misused, but their misuse does not mean the concept itself is flawed.
Why do we need the concept? We already have a word for it, it's called 'creepy'.
Why do we call British Shorthairs British Shorthairs? We should just call them cats.

White Knighting is creepy, but not every act of creeping is White Knighting.
 

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itsmeyouidiot said:
Anyone who calls anyone else a "White Knight" for wanting women to be treated fairly is an idiot, plain and simple.

Not everyone is a lecherous scumbag whose only motivation for defending women is sex; some are just decent fucking human beings who don't want people acting like bigots.
Except Bob hasn't substantiated his arguments and instead blames gaming culture for a problem that really isn't theirs.

1) No one in the gaming community hires booth babes

2) When booth babes are taken out of events, it's the press that complains.

3) The Booth babes wanting to dress up in risque fashions is their choice.

I find it amazing that when you look at the argument Bob is making, it basically goes right to cosplayers who want to wear costumes just as they want. Further, Bob is REALLY banging this "sexism is bad" moral politics crap way too hard. We get it. He doesn't like sex. That's his choice. But the preaching is not his strong suit.

And maybe, just maybe, having a conversation about this can happen without getting into low levels of entry such as ad hominem attacks against strawmen? Just a suggestion.
 

Ukomba

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So activists trying to fix a perceived issue not only annoyed a bunch of people, and put other people out of work, ended up adding to the issue.

I admit I don't get the issue. I went to PAX with my wife twice and not only did she never have any issue with the booths but she never had a single issue with the attendees. This whole issue seems to almost entirely generated by the gaming media.

Sure you'll find idiots out there who will embody the issue, and the internet is full of trolls, but what your still talking about is a tiny minority.