The Big Picture: Junk Drawer: Game On

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Awww...Zelda's all growed up!

Okysho said:
See this weeks check point on Penny arcade? They're doing it for iPads...
They've done it before. Checkpoint's point was that it was the basic focus, that everyone and their mom was doing it.
 

rayen020

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adventure island remake? meh. We need a Tomba remake...
MetallicaRulez0 said:
The screenshots from Zelda towards the end of the video showcase why no one takes the Wii seriously these days.

I am not a graphics whore. I still play games from 2001 (WC3). But... seriously? This is a brand new game? I played a game with better graphics 7 years ago. AND you want me to get out of my chair and flail my arms like a jackass? PASS!
Don't why that should be a shot against the wii. The Wii has had some crazy cool looking games with slick graphics and whatnot. If anything that should be a shot against skyward sword or whoever got the screen shot and had crappy transfer tech.
 

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Arqus_Zed said:
A junk drawer episode titled "game on".

Let me guess. He's gonna give some praise to Nintendo about something and than bash on Microsoft and/Sony about something.

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Yep, there it is. talking about the "awesomeness" of the new Zelda installment while openly laughing at the PS Vita as a serious handheld console.

Dammit Bob, you've got some nice episodes now and then, but your unconditional Nintendo love can be really tiring sometimes.
To be fair, lately it seems like Sony doesn't want us to buy the thing, have you seen the prices for those memory cards, on top of the already expensive system?
 

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Hehe loved the "needs a competitor, eh no really.."

I agree on "The sexist point":Yea I like to look at female breasts, No I do not want them on a cover of a game just to sell more games (or most things really)... (or cover the fact it a bad game etc...)

Music: I like music but most game music is just bad or boring much better to listen to something good and turn of "game music" but keep effects on (works mostly)... Played BF3 with for example Daft Punk (Derezzed works great), Editors (made some great minutes to "Smokers outside the hospital doors"), but even Beethoven and Mozart works every now and then...

Hmm what a new Zelda game? Any good maybe I look in to it sometime...

Buttons, hard physical (good) buttons yes please, just for console phones, not really but I like tactile feedback...
 

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I gotta call you out on your Nintendo fanboyism here Bob. Remake Adventure Island? That was just a copy pasta rip off of Sega's Wonder Boy! They even briefly followed it into the RPG-ish Monsterland direction.
 

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MetallicaRulez0 said:
The screenshots from Zelda towards the end of the video showcase why no one takes the Wii seriously these days.

I am not a graphics whore. I still play games from 2001 (WC3). But... seriously? This is a brand new game? I played a game with better graphics 7 years ago.
Okay, I get that the graphics aren't cutting-edge, but... How exactly are they "bad?"

AND you want me to get out of my chair and flail my arms like a jackass? PASS![/quote]

Yeah, you actually don't need to get out your chair and "flail your arms around like a jackass." This has been a complete myth about the Wii since day one; A half-way decent flick of the wrist is all it takes. Not even that much in the case of shield-bashing in Skyward Sword.

And you don't need to be standing up. I've played through most of the game sitting comfortably on my bed.
 

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Sgt. Sykes said:
Okay Bob, I seriously want to know. Are you gay? Hey nothing to be ashamed about, but at least come out with it already. All that political correctness that comes from you is a bit annoying already (same-gender marriages etc.), but... You don't like breasts? Dude. Nobody is going to advertise a sexy/-ist game with a giant cock. I bet that wouldn't be 'degrading' would it?
Against my better judgement, I'll at least respond to the "serious" part of this.

It would be DELIGHTFUL if we lived in a world where, not only were men and women equal, but there had NEVER been a centuries-long history of male-favoring inequality. Sadly, we do not live in that world - we live in THIS one, where the sexes are not socially equal in any number of important ways AND profoundly-lopsided inequality has been the default operating model from the start of recorded history only BEGINNING to change in the midpoint of the 20th Century. Like it or not, those are the facts of the world and all questions about sexism, sexuality and sexual-equality can only be answered in that context.

What that means, in the narrow terms of your question, is that "sexual degradation" means something ENTIRELY different, at all levels, for men than it does for women. Historically, the VAST majority of power-structures from both actual "institutions" and social constructs were designed to confer power on men over women, and as such the degree to which sexually-exploitative depictions of a person/character can "degrade" said person/character are VASTLY different. Quick real life example: Channing Tatutm, the actor, was a male stripper before getting into films. Most people have NEVER heard this, and it NEVER comes up in regard to his "suitability" for serious film roles. Meanwhile, screenwriter Diablo Cody's earlier career as a stripper is UNIVERSALLY known and used as a knock against her work constantly. In other words, YES - sexual exploitation (word choice deliberate - I don't regard exotic-dancing as inherently degrading) of the male form EXISTS... it just doesn't MATTER even 1/10th as much.

A similar poster advertising an "Uncharted" game with a cheek-level closeup of Nathan Drake in assless chaps would... well, it would never EXIST first and foremost, but if it did it would be regarded as a silly bit of kitsch and laughed off quickly; because men are still generally seen as being "in power" and thus sexual-exploitation of the male form is at worst a funny joke (see: the self-aware silliness that was/is The Chippendales.) The "Soul Calibur" ad, on the other hand, is YET ANOTHER thing reminding women that they're most/only important facet is their bodies and sex appeal in a society that tells them that every day anyway.
 

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Well Bob, there's always one of these:



That one is 99.99 and there's a plain-jane one for...I think 40. It would get me into some iOS gaming if I had one of the devices to be honest. Friends have let me play with their pods and Sonic 2 (for example) was somewhat easier for me when I had a command cross and buttons that didn't cover the playing field.

Also, this may sound a bit cheap, but I'm surprised Bob didn't draw comparisons between Skyward Sword Link and Zelda's aesthetic to that of The Gelflings from Dark Crystal. OK, I'm not surprised but I can't be the only person who sees the similarities!


 

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Bulletpoint Comments before I head back into the Great White Yonder...

*Link: Adult Issues.
Majora's Mask explored some of the more "universal" fears of adulthood (ineptitude, aging, marriage, and especially death), and now Skyward Sword dove into the other half of the "adult" issues...well, more like dipped their toes in the water.
(though after the deluge of brain-damaging fanfiction and porn inspired by the previous main installment in the series, it's best to let Nintendo determine just how sexual a Zelda cast should be)

*iPhone gaming
This is such a messed up issue for me...where to begin...
Nintendo has stagnated to the point where it's killing their business, and their two most likely successors/competitors are Sony and Apple, NEITHER of whom I like or trust as businesses.

Nintendo needs genuine competition, but what does that matter if their competition is just going to use their handhelds to rope users into entrapping service contracts and proprietary bullshit?

Do we trust Sony, who has shown that they are perfectly willing to downgrade honest customers' system solely to boost profits without actually doing any honest work, or Apple whose hardware is WOEFULLY overpriced and confined to the developer purgatory known as the "Apple Garden"?
 

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MovieBob said:
It would be DELIGHTFUL if we lived in a world where, not only were men and women equal, but there had NEVER been a centuries-long history of male-favoring inequality. Sadly, we do not live in that world - we live in THIS one, where the sexes are not socially equal in any number of important ways AND profoundly-lopsided inequality has been the default operating model from the start of recorded history only BEGINNING to change in the midpoint of the 20th Century. Like it or not, those are the facts of the world and all questions about sexism, sexuality and sexual-equality can only be answered in that context.

What that means, in the narrow terms of your question, is that "sexual degradation" means something ENTIRELY different, at all levels, for men than it does for women. Historically, the VAST majority of power-structures from both actual "institutions" and social constructs were designed to confer power on men over women, and as such the degree to which sexually-exploitative depictions of a person/character can "degrade" said person/character are VASTLY different. Quick real life example: Channing Tatutm, the actor, was a male stripper before getting into films. Most people have NEVER heard this, and it NEVER comes up in regard to his "suitability" for serious film roles. Meanwhile, screenwriter Diablo Cody's earlier career as a stripper is UNIVERSALLY known and used as a knock against her work constantly. In other words, YES - sexual exploitation (word choice deliberate - I don't regard exotic-dancing as inherently degrading) of the male form EXISTS... it just doesn't MATTER even 1/10th as much.

A similar poster advertising an "Uncharted" game with a cheek-level closeup of Nathan Drake in assless chaps would... well, it would never EXIST first and foremost, but if it did it would be regarded as a silly bit of kitsch and laughed off quickly; because men are still generally seen as being "in power" and thus sexual-exploitation of the male form is at worst a funny joke (see: the self-aware silliness that was/is The Chippendales.) The "Soul Calibur" ad, on the other hand, is YET ANOTHER thing reminding women that they're most/only important facet is their bodies and sex appeal in a society that tells them that every day anyway.
Since MovieBob is against writing a TL/DR version, I'll do it for him: Double standards are okay as long as they are only negatively affecting white males because two wrongs DO make a right.
 

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Do we all remember Twin Rova?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQm-u9WjoJE

Pretty subtle, though.
 

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Hungry Donner said:
wooty said:
In terms of the Soul Calibue poster, Its Japan, from what I saw over there everything is sexualized or made to look "alluring" in some way.

I doubt we'll see the same advert in the west to be honest, we tend to be a lot more vocal and/or prudish to this kind of thing......except in shitty music videos.
I was thinking the same thing. It's excellent material for the sexism/sexy divide, but I don't want to judge Japanese advertizing by Western standards.

Although I'd be happier if she actually had a face.
Except when two-thirds [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8254389.stm] of women report being groped on trains (as just one example that comes to mind), I think a country needs to take a good long look at what is and isn't an acceptable way to use images of women.
 

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Revolutionaryloser said:
I'm glad someone pointed out that the lazy assholes in marketing are a big reason why sexism even exists in games. I know sex sells, but if you were any good at your fucking job you might have found some other selling point in your game.
The problem isn't exactly that sex is used too often (it's a problem with advertisements, but not exactly the root of the sexism). It's how sex is portrayed, usually objectifying women for heterosexual men.
 

Hungry Donner

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misterprickly said:
Agreed! Once again Bob forgets that you can't apply a close-minded American standard to something that is NOT American.
I don't have much experience with Japanese advertising so I don't want to cast too many stones - but I don't have a problem with Bob using this as an example.

There's a lot of European advertising out there that's also pretty risque but from my understanding most Europeans don't have a problem with it. But then, there's a difference between risque and degrading, which seems to be Bob's point here.

SirCannonFodder said:
Except when two-thirds [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8254389.stm] of women report being groped on trains (as just one example that comes to mind), I think a country needs to take a good long look at what is and isn't an acceptable way to use images of women.
Very fair.