Well Bob, then we are at odds. I'd be on the "good" side (good in quotations because I don't view Magneto's cause as inherently evil), since I feel their is an inherent beauty in the human condition that should be preserved and grown.
The Big Picture: Magneto Was Right
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I'd just be in the "leave me alone" team, probably. Trying to hide among the normal humans (if I could blend in), using my powers for selfish, but insignificant things, and just try to live.
I'm pretty sure I know why I was bullied. I was always alone, not interested in social activities, and thus didn't have any supportive group around me. Also my social skills sucked, and I was told later that people thought I was mean, which I never tried to be. I was just honest with people, and couldn't ever remember their names or faces (humans kinda look the same to me) or really understand the social things.
And once you got the reputation that you were mean and looked down on people, they would just interpret anything as me being mean.
Some bullies were, not afraid of my intellect, but feeling inferior, but that was just a part of their motivation, and not all did it because of that.
I'm pretty sure one who made my life hell had a crush on me.
Isn't the mutant-gene (or whatever makes you a "mutant") something that spontaniously happens in the offspring? And that even if everyone who is a mutant or carries the gene would be killed (or wouldn't breed), there would still be more mutants?
The biology of this confuses me.
BTW, as far as mutants go, you are a mutant, I am a mutant. Everyone has mutations in their genome. Most mutations don't do much, of course.
I'm pretty sure I know why I was bullied. I was always alone, not interested in social activities, and thus didn't have any supportive group around me. Also my social skills sucked, and I was told later that people thought I was mean, which I never tried to be. I was just honest with people, and couldn't ever remember their names or faces (humans kinda look the same to me) or really understand the social things.
And once you got the reputation that you were mean and looked down on people, they would just interpret anything as me being mean.
Some bullies were, not afraid of my intellect, but feeling inferior, but that was just a part of their motivation, and not all did it because of that.
I'm pretty sure one who made my life hell had a crush on me.
Yes, evolution works very differently in Marvel universe than it does in ours. Has it ever been explained how it works, exactly? From what I've read, it seems there must be some intelligence guiding it (which realistically there is, it being a comic book), and I think there are god-like entities in that world?Tarkand said:
Isn't the mutant-gene (or whatever makes you a "mutant") something that spontaniously happens in the offspring? And that even if everyone who is a mutant or carries the gene would be killed (or wouldn't breed), there would still be more mutants?
The biology of this confuses me.
BTW, as far as mutants go, you are a mutant, I am a mutant. Everyone has mutations in their genome. Most mutations don't do much, of course.
I won't hide behind this one. I'm with Magneto. Everytime. I remember watching the X-Men when I was young and wonder why Xavier and his team worked so hard to defend the very people who have cast them out of society. Magneto had it right, they don't deserve sympathy, compassion, they deserve what's coming to them.
But in the wider philosophical questions that come out of it are whether, if you or someone else is superior (physically, mentally, or both) than the average human should you use that power to for yourself, and rule over the rest, or should you use it to help the greater good? More importantly, should you do the latter even if you've been treated like shit by the rest of the world? The thing is you might end up turning into the very thing you despise.
I know what the right thing is, but honestly, there would be hell to pay if I were a mutant
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But in the wider philosophical questions that come out of it are whether, if you or someone else is superior (physically, mentally, or both) than the average human should you use that power to for yourself, and rule over the rest, or should you use it to help the greater good? More importantly, should you do the latter even if you've been treated like shit by the rest of the world? The thing is you might end up turning into the very thing you despise.
I know what the right thing is, but honestly, there would be hell to pay if I were a mutant
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Could'nt agree with you more Bob.MovieBob said:
If people are legitimately better than others (either through achievement, intellect or physical ability) they SHOULD be higher up in society than those who are not.
Especially if they were treated badly in the past because of it.
Accurate and true.maninahat said:
Bullies are looking for the basic thing that may people strive for....POWER. They just want to have the power over someone else. Most often they use that power to hurt, torment, control someone else. It is often derived from a lack of control in there own lives (but not always).
I love people who say that Magneto was right.
Magneto was a terrorist who in every continuity of he X-Men save for the recent cartoons (even in the old ones he killed, it was just off-screen) is a mass murderer on the genocidal level. To say you agree with Magneto is literally like saying you agree with minority group terrorists, because that's what he is. That's what the writers intend for you to see him as, a Well-Intentioned Extremist who has taken his own dogma so thoroughly to heart that he believes he is entirely justified in killing normal people and imposing his worldvew on everyone.
And they wonder why nerds are elitist. I choose Professor Xavier everytime.
It also provides an interesting question to ask: What happens when you were bullied not because you were different or weird, but because your only difference was being intelligent? Being aware of your intelligence, being eager to learn more, being provably, testably, observably smarter than the majority of the people you were at school with. I was bullied before I became a socially inept loser fascinated in geek culture, and the only reason, that I was even told on occasion between beatings, was because I was smart.
That seems to me to paint my bullies into an unsympathetic and yet weirdly flattering light. It took me a while to realise it, and they probably still wouldn't understand even if I told them today to their faces, but they were bullying me because I was better than them, or at least they perceived me to be, and they couldn't handle the fact that I was smarter.
In the end, humans mght like to think that we can accept what's outside our norms (which are individual to each person) but in the end we want everyone to be like us because it's less scary, and the reverse of this is that we want to be like everyone else. My upbringing was composed mainly of liberal, well educated, intelligent, middle class hard workers, and my parents had friends who were black, lesbian, Jewish and extraordinarily right wing, all in different familes. I have no problem with race or sexuality because it's how I was brought up, but I do have a problem with ignorance, and especially willful ignorance, because it is outside the social norms of how I was raised.
Magneto was a terrorist who in every continuity of he X-Men save for the recent cartoons (even in the old ones he killed, it was just off-screen) is a mass murderer on the genocidal level. To say you agree with Magneto is literally like saying you agree with minority group terrorists, because that's what he is. That's what the writers intend for you to see him as, a Well-Intentioned Extremist who has taken his own dogma so thoroughly to heart that he believes he is entirely justified in killing normal people and imposing his worldvew on everyone.
And they wonder why nerds are elitist. I choose Professor Xavier everytime.
It also provides an interesting question to ask: What happens when you were bullied not because you were different or weird, but because your only difference was being intelligent? Being aware of your intelligence, being eager to learn more, being provably, testably, observably smarter than the majority of the people you were at school with. I was bullied before I became a socially inept loser fascinated in geek culture, and the only reason, that I was even told on occasion between beatings, was because I was smart.
That seems to me to paint my bullies into an unsympathetic and yet weirdly flattering light. It took me a while to realise it, and they probably still wouldn't understand even if I told them today to their faces, but they were bullying me because I was better than them, or at least they perceived me to be, and they couldn't handle the fact that I was smarter.
In the end, humans mght like to think that we can accept what's outside our norms (which are individual to each person) but in the end we want everyone to be like us because it's less scary, and the reverse of this is that we want to be like everyone else. My upbringing was composed mainly of liberal, well educated, intelligent, middle class hard workers, and my parents had friends who were black, lesbian, Jewish and extraordinarily right wing, all in different familes. I have no problem with race or sexuality because it's how I was brought up, but I do have a problem with ignorance, and especially willful ignorance, because it is outside the social norms of how I was raised.
Very true, but "because you're different" isn't the only reason bullying occurs. "Because you're smart" is also a primary target for ridicule. Which... let's face it, is bat shit retarded. But, in that case anyway, the name calling derived from superiority is pretty much existent. Kids pick on those they are jealous of, which is odd. I suppose the smarter people generally care less for exercise as well.maninahat said:
We also have to take this into consideration: antisocialness. While not a word, it does describe most intelligent people. I was constantly bullied until about high school, but then I began understanding people better. I became considerably better at rebuttal and insults in general. After that, name calling appeared as, and essentially was, just a joke. A conversation meant to make people laugh. If you could take part in it, there was no need to take it with a grain of salt. It seems the kids that don't understand this become extremely offended simply because they don't know the other person is kidding, or they don't have the people skills to make the other person look like an idiot in return.
There are somethings I disagree with you on, and some that I do agree with you on... in this case, if I had mutant powers, I would be fallowing the baddass in the Helmet and cape also.
As someone who was mercilessly tormented in grade school for being "different" (in my case, I was a math genius), I know I would definitely be on Team Magneto. I still to this day wish I could punch the leader of that goon squad square in the dick.
It's amazing how events in your childhood and early teen years can shape your entire personality as an adult. I'd be a completely different person if I hadn't experienced that non-sense. I may even be a stronger person because of it.
It's amazing how events in your childhood and early teen years can shape your entire personality as an adult. I'd be a completely different person if I hadn't experienced that non-sense. I may even be a stronger person because of it.
If mutants were real, I'd be on whatever side had the more attractive females... So yeah, probably Magneto's.
That aside, I think Bob is overlooking a huge point; "nerds" tend to be very quiet in most social atmospheres. This makes them easy to pick on without much fear of repercussion. I think it really has very little to do with how intelligent they are, what hobbies they have, etc and everything to do with how they carry themselves and their confidence level.
That aside, I think Bob is overlooking a huge point; "nerds" tend to be very quiet in most social atmospheres. This makes them easy to pick on without much fear of repercussion. I think it really has very little to do with how intelligent they are, what hobbies they have, etc and everything to do with how they carry themselves and their confidence level.
I think that if I had some sort of super power like telekinesis, energy beams, or super strength I wouldn't feel the need to strike back against those who messed with me since I would feel secure that I could more than easily defend myself if it were to happen. That does not mean I would never use my powers to mess with someone, I'm only human, but I can't see my self looking for vengeance or intentionally harming someone.
Granted, I was bullied a little bit in school, but for the most part it was fairly minor. The only time it was bad was in 6th grade, but my school did a surprisingly good job of stepping in and putting an end to it. That shows that all of the schools that claim that its hard to stop bullying are full of crap. All that happened was a housemaster call the guys into his office, told them that he knew what was going on and that it was not okay, and that if they did it again they would get in trouble; and that was the end of it. Sure they would still try to insult me from time to time, but it was minor and innocuous, and even that only lasted the rest of the year.
Granted, I was bullied a little bit in school, but for the most part it was fairly minor. The only time it was bad was in 6th grade, but my school did a surprisingly good job of stepping in and putting an end to it. That shows that all of the schools that claim that its hard to stop bullying are full of crap. All that happened was a housemaster call the guys into his office, told them that he knew what was going on and that it was not okay, and that if they did it again they would get in trouble; and that was the end of it. Sure they would still try to insult me from time to time, but it was minor and innocuous, and even that only lasted the rest of the year.
My first instinct would be not to choose a side, but at some point that's usually not an option anymore.
I suppose it'd ultimately come down to the nature of my power (i.e. what sort of action they lend themselves to), my upbringing and the amount of crap I had to take from regular humans.
I suppose it'd ultimately come down to the nature of my power (i.e. what sort of action they lend themselves to), my upbringing and the amount of crap I had to take from regular humans.
I liked the video. I still say I'd be "X-Men", despite any ridicule.
However, I found the tidbit about people bullying homosexuals to be a bit off...
As someone who is part of their high school's GSA (Gay-Straight Alliance), and has many gay friends, hanging out with them regularly, I can tell you that the reason they are made fun of by idiots is because they are viewed as wussies or disgusting. Wussies because of the obvious indications of gay men being feminine, or because the act of how they have sex is seen as odd or amusing, in a grotesque way (like that kid who eats his boogers). The honestly think people who still bully gay people for religious reasons are much older and are from a different time and generation.
However, I found the tidbit about people bullying homosexuals to be a bit off...
As someone who is part of their high school's GSA (Gay-Straight Alliance), and has many gay friends, hanging out with them regularly, I can tell you that the reason they are made fun of by idiots is because they are viewed as wussies or disgusting. Wussies because of the obvious indications of gay men being feminine, or because the act of how they have sex is seen as odd or amusing, in a grotesque way (like that kid who eats his boogers). The honestly think people who still bully gay people for religious reasons are much older and are from a different time and generation.
I dunno... which side has more attractive female mutants?
Kidding, that would only partly weigh my decision. I think, to be perfectly honest, it would be a tough decision for me to make. On the one hand, I'd like to be optimistic and think that, by doing good deeds as a mutant I would show the non-mutants who chastised and despised me would see that I'm not something to be hated, but to be accepted.
On the other hand, the pessimist in me sees that they'll never understand, they'll never change, and I might as well have some fun while I can.
Kidding, that would only partly weigh my decision. I think, to be perfectly honest, it would be a tough decision for me to make. On the one hand, I'd like to be optimistic and think that, by doing good deeds as a mutant I would show the non-mutants who chastised and despised me would see that I'm not something to be hated, but to be accepted.
On the other hand, the pessimist in me sees that they'll never understand, they'll never change, and I might as well have some fun while I can.