The Big Picture: Magneto Was Right
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I was picked on for not really fitting in, or wanting to for that matter. I didn't like most people because their motivations for doing things seemed juvenile and ignorant. Luckily, I found a group of friends that felt and thought the same way I did. After moving into the "adult" world, I found that most people are still that way, but like the friends I had before there are still smart,interesting, and insightful people out there. The finding takes no more than the looking. Ultimately, yes, I would join Magneto in his conquest. Just so long as I didn't have to work with murdering, psychopaths like Sabretooth.
The reason I was always given was "they get a reaction our of you" to why I was bullied and picked on - a theory I feel I proved wrong as I was bullied from years 7 to 12 in high-school. Although I did react at times, after a few attempts to get me to cry or get angry - I just ignored them to the point that the teachers go ticked off at their constant "poke,poke,poke" method. Something everyone suggested I do - ignore them and they will leave you alone - and what happened?
It got worse.
Instead of name calling, it was stone-throwing. One girl (who was 15-16 at the time)even started pulling my hair. They made it their mission to make my high-school life hell.
So I agree with you MovieBob. They fear those who are better then they and the bullies lash out at us to make them feel better about themselves.
Although I probably wouldn't join Magnetos team - my reason being: my high-school teachers in-acted their own revenge for me due to witnessing my torment. Bullies banned from School Formals/Excursions/Camps, loss of privileges, and one guy being told by my history teacher "be nice to her, cause she will probably be your boss one day".
That was enough revenge for me
It got worse.
Instead of name calling, it was stone-throwing. One girl (who was 15-16 at the time)even started pulling my hair. They made it their mission to make my high-school life hell.
So I agree with you MovieBob. They fear those who are better then they and the bullies lash out at us to make them feel better about themselves.
Although I probably wouldn't join Magnetos team - my reason being: my high-school teachers in-acted their own revenge for me due to witnessing my torment. Bullies banned from School Formals/Excursions/Camps, loss of privileges, and one guy being told by my history teacher "be nice to her, cause she will probably be your boss one day".
That was enough revenge for me
Well, let me tell you my own story about being bullied. In middle school I got the shit beat out of me multipol times by people 4 years older then me. One of my friends' brother was friends with them and that how they knew me, and a lot of the time I wondered why no one tried to stop them. I eventually heard storys from my friend, and his brother about how my bullies were bullied themselves by guys older then them. It was like how the molest victum grows up to be a molester. So I descided to instead be the better man.
So which side I'd be on? I don't know. Probably neither.
So which side I'd be on? I don't know. Probably neither.
I think you're taking this 'different' aspect too far. I don't think every bully secretly feared the nerds they tormented. What about people who have social issues or just plain shut themselves out of society? Sometimes 'normal' people bully each other with gossip and rumors. In my case, I wasn't really super bullied, just picked on or messed with. My 'bullies' didn't have a hate or fear against me, they were just having fun being dicks, it didn't matter who they did it to. (I'm lookin at you trolls >_>) But your right at the first part, normality is a casual term tossed around from society to society, it doesn't mean anything. That being said, weirdos are awesome. I love being one and being around them.
I'm not really disagreeing with you but consider this: a couple of big bullies are in the stage where they are getting ready to attack you physically (telling you to know your place and shoving you, mustering their courage to violence). You know that you can either take it or you can interrupt their ridiculous ritual by punching one of them in the face which will make them go away. As has been said in other posts, the bullies are simply acting out what's in their nature, being too stupid and too hormonal to realise they are possible traumatising someone for a long time. The school of 'good' would tell us that since we are not coming to real harm in this scenario, we should turn the other cheek.gmaverick019 said:
I punched the slightly smaller bully hard. His expression was one of deep hurt about the unfairness of things. The other bully got confused, voiced a last threat and left. Is there really a difference between my reaction then and doing the same thing after the fact? If I had accepted a beating and visited my bully a year later, would not that have been as unfair as striking him before he had a chance to have a go at me? In a way, I was being more selfish even than Magneto in that I never suffered what the bullies intended and still I retorted with violence.
The problem is that bullying is a primitive way of establishing hierarchy. The bullies want to make sure they are on top. The Magnetos of the world realise afterwards that they are supposed to be on top and take steps to address this. The hierarchy in question is of course something that ceases to exist when you become adult. Except for the victims who relive the humiliation for years and are reminded that they were considered as human waste. I don't because I fought back then and there; not everyone has that alternative. Wreaking vengeance years later would be catharsis for those still traumatised. Who is professor X to argue that yesterday's victims have less right to act out what is in our nature? Our nature is the crime but only some are supposed to suffer? Magneto is right.
Of course Ian McKellen is superior to Patrick Stewart.
OT: I would side with Magneto. To hell with the dumb jersey douchebags.
OT: I would side with Magneto. To hell with the dumb jersey douchebags.
When the whole X-men/Magneto-metaphore came up I couldn't stop thinking about the one big problem with Marvel-mutants: It's not mutation but evolution.
PS: I haven't read all the posts on this thread, but it might be a fun drinking-game to see how many a mentioned what I mentioned above.
PS: I haven't read all the posts on this thread, but it might be a fun drinking-game to see how many a mentioned what I mentioned above.
there is no reason to act out, if you KNOW your better or KNOW your more powerful, it doesn't mean you HAVE to prove your dominance. If bullies attacked me right now, yes i would defend myself, but i wouldn't go and search them out in a year, if i did, it was because they were hurting someone else or something, not because they did something to me a year or two ago.Red Scharlach said:
this is really inspiring, because it's so damn current everywhere! This isn't generalization, its a simple set of anologies describing the simplicity of the human ways of behaving socially. Spot on, Bob.
To be fair, there have been fiction that deconstruct the whole "strong superhero vs smart evil genius" thing and show that the evil genius isn't always that evil & the strong guy isn't always good. For example, Dr. Horrible (well intentioned villain who inevitably triumphs in a pyrric victory vs self-absorbed & sociopathic "hero" who's ironically the one with good PR) & Megamind (evil genius who makes a heel face turn to take down the selfish person he tried to turn into a hero because victory is boring).
Bullies pick on the little guys, the loners most of the time. I was picked on for being in special ed so... Not really a lot of mental superiority there hahaha. But when i got into high school i got a little muscle and my old bullies became somewhat of friends and they picked on the kids with the Anime comics and the rollie backpacks instead. So to me its kinda the opposite, they picked on the physically weaker people. But perhaps the punks were inferior in grades and logic... some even join gangs... and thats nice to think that im gunna out live em haha. Hopefully.
I don't regularly quote the OP/moviemaker, but this is the second week you used the dinosaurs with lasersuits in your video, and I remember them, but do not know what it's called anymore. I asked last week, but got no reply, so please, settle my uneasy, geeky mind!MovieBob said:
And to be honest, I always liked Magneto more than Xavier. Xavier's a boring mindbender. Magneto makes Wolverine float. Xavier lost all feeling in his legs because of an alien (go look it up), Magneto's a WWII survivor. What's the awesomest story?
I could never agree with you more, Bob. And I've always had those same views on nerds. We aren't hated and demonized because we're different, we ARE superior. Then again, I've always kind of looked down upon people who aren't nerds... so I guess that doesn't make me all that much better than those who look down upon us? *Shrug*
On a side note, I don't know why Escapist didn't give you a show like this sooner, you've definitely got some serious words of wisdom going on in this. Seems like Escape to the Movies, while usually always entertaining and true (Minus the Robin Hood review. I liked that movie >.<), was just holding you back.
On a side note, I don't know why Escapist didn't give you a show like this sooner, you've definitely got some serious words of wisdom going on in this. Seems like Escape to the Movies, while usually always entertaining and true (Minus the Robin Hood review. I liked that movie >.<), was just holding you back.
The day I began reading Ayn Rand I immediately thought of the Incredibles. If I was in any case or circumstance a mutant in the X-world, I only WISH I'd look as good looking as half of the folks and even scoring a pretty young thing too.GamerFromJump said:
metalmanky306 said:
Bullying is specially tough in a society that promotes machismo such as the Mexican society. Mix that with the strictness of moral standards and hypocrisy that very well characterizes the people who live here, a school system that discourages academic achievement, cloudy but easily manipulated social rules, a brain that can process 5 different languages at the same time, and increasing amount of hatred towards said society and you pretty much have the recipe to produce yours truly.metalmanky306 said:
The mass media here only paid attention to the problem since the advent of YouTube and the internet since the acts of bullying could be reproduced worldwide and the good ol' cover-up technique that schools used to hide anything that could tarnish their reputation.
I for one declare that the use of violence is good when strictly necessary. Whenever a problem arised, I warned the teachers that if they didn't do anything I'd take matters within my own hands fists first and weapons second. It woked liked a charm and when it didn't I enjoyed it thoroughly.
If it was if metal was magnetic then yes, if its bully the bully...no. NEXT!
As for which team if I was on Prof Xs I would annoy the hell out of him for using technology,ect as a way to assist mutants deal with their powers rather than being all over stressed unhappy Jedi about it, on the other hand if I was on Magnetos side.... well.... uhg I'd kinda stay out of conflicts and deal with healing/restraining/maintenance ensuring not only that I am happy with my non combat but can fight anyone position but not be tossed from it easily.
As for which team if I was on Prof Xs I would annoy the hell out of him for using technology,ect as a way to assist mutants deal with their powers rather than being all over stressed unhappy Jedi about it, on the other hand if I was on Magnetos side.... well.... uhg I'd kinda stay out of conflicts and deal with healing/restraining/maintenance ensuring not only that I am happy with my non combat but can fight anyone position but not be tossed from it easily.