Hey bob, I'mma just gonna leave this here.
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FALL UPON THE PLINKETT SWORD
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FALL UPON THE PLINKETT SWORD
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Wow, 460+ replies of what I'm sure is a completely mature and respectful conversation.
Whatever, I don't care if they are aliens. If it's a good movie nothing else matters.
The REAL best part of Bay's statement was that "they will be tough, edgy, funny and memorable[sic]" line. Good luck with that.
Whatever, I don't care if they are aliens. If it's a good movie nothing else matters.
The REAL best part of Bay's statement was that "they will be tough, edgy, funny and memorable[sic]" line. Good luck with that.
Because, even after the 90's, EVERYTHING MUST BE EDGY.Endocrom said:
Oh God, movie and gaming industries, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
TMNT as aliens? Hmmm. Kinda weird, but hey, I'll watch it - the original origin story isn't exactly a hyper-realistic affair either. Besides, I'll have no problem stomaching a strange origin story if the characters are actually somewhat true to their comic counterparts and don't suck design-wise. After all, Watchmen (the movie) worked out just fine even though
What I'm most concerned about regarding Bay's TMNT is the almost inevitable involvement of unbearably hackneyed human sidekicks.
ME3... *draws huge breath* ... ... Teehee, just kidding. Not touching that debate with a 10-foot pole.
it cut out whole chunks of sideplot from the graphic novel and didn't have a genetically engineered alien psy-death squid.
ME3... *draws huge breath* ... ... Teehee, just kidding. Not touching that debate with a 10-foot pole.
I hope I am the only one who isn't going to point out the obvious.
Your little speech about not complaining about the new TMNT movie - regardless of what bay does - is kind of a deceptive show to put on for us, especially since you have spent your 'Movie Bob' career complaining about the artistic directions people take in the terrible movies they make. I recall you being especially upset with Transformers, another Bay movie. So if I understand your logic right, it is ok for one person to stand on a soapbox and essentially '***** & wine'(as you put it) about the things they don't like. However, when everyone else does it at once, that's totally not cool and we should be ashamed for impeding the creativity of the media. I am not really getting were you are coming from at this point.
Unfortunately for videogames, being recognized as art doesn't exclude them from criticism. If anything, being recognized as art opens an even bigger door to critique then ever before. When people pay for art (like say... a bad movie) they have every right to ***** about it not living up to expectations, particularly if it was outright insulting as well. If anything, the ME3 debacle has proven Videogames are a form of art, because the complaints here are comparable to the complaints against George Lucas' "art".
Does this mean if we complain we are entitled? No.
Does this mean we should be given/deserve a new ending? Practically speaking, No.
Does this mean we can be upset and voice our opinion at the utter, irrefutable, undeniable and irreversible laziness apparent at the end of the game? Sure, and people will... till the end of days. The ending to ME3 deserves it's spot alongside the Starwars prequels and Transformers. All of this is art, and by god it is bad art.
Your little speech about not complaining about the new TMNT movie - regardless of what bay does - is kind of a deceptive show to put on for us, especially since you have spent your 'Movie Bob' career complaining about the artistic directions people take in the terrible movies they make. I recall you being especially upset with Transformers, another Bay movie. So if I understand your logic right, it is ok for one person to stand on a soapbox and essentially '***** & wine'(as you put it) about the things they don't like. However, when everyone else does it at once, that's totally not cool and we should be ashamed for impeding the creativity of the media. I am not really getting were you are coming from at this point.
Unfortunately for videogames, being recognized as art doesn't exclude them from criticism. If anything, being recognized as art opens an even bigger door to critique then ever before. When people pay for art (like say... a bad movie) they have every right to ***** about it not living up to expectations, particularly if it was outright insulting as well. If anything, the ME3 debacle has proven Videogames are a form of art, because the complaints here are comparable to the complaints against George Lucas' "art".
Does this mean if we complain we are entitled? No.
Does this mean we should be given/deserve a new ending? Practically speaking, No.
Does this mean we can be upset and voice our opinion at the utter, irrefutable, undeniable and irreversible laziness apparent at the end of the game? Sure, and people will... till the end of days. The ending to ME3 deserves it's spot alongside the Starwars prequels and Transformers. All of this is art, and by god it is bad art.
Ask Sherlock Holmes fans that caused us to get several literary classics that, without fans "forcing" the writer to, we never would have gotten.
Please get over yourself and your fanboyism for a company that made bad decisions, and go live in a country that actually practices censorship for, say, a year.
When you come back (probably after some prison time), make sure to apologize properly for what you said here.
Actually, you're the only one asking for someone to get special treatment. In your case, you want videogame companies to get special treatment by your weird demand for them to be excempt from what EVERY OTHER COMPANY faces.
Fans here are actually waking up and noticing that, as customers, they have some pretty basic rights, including returning products that did not meet the advertized standards, and/or demanding a fix to the problem.
It's that simple. Videogame companies are no special snowflakes. Deal with it.
Hey, I said:MovieBob said:I called HEAT "the biggest, longest, most preposterously powerful act of fanboy pissing and moaning in the history of fanboy pissing and moaning." If you read that as "not a bad thing," I dunno what to tell youStalydan said:
Didn't say I remembered eitherStalydan said:
Don't try saying that fans of Mass Effect don't have a right to be disappointed by the ending and want a new one. How many movies have changed their endings after test screenings where people didn't like it. Hell, I know a few movies you've reviewed that had their endings changed.
Should fans be able to demand one? Yeah. Should they demand one? Probably not because demanding for things is rude.
The only reason you won't get why a lot of people want a new ending is because you're not a fan of the series, you're not emotionally attached to a lot of the characters like a lot of fans of the series. It's not so much the ending (though there are huge problems with it like the lack of sense it makes with the rest of the game even) but the lack of closure the game has is why a lot of fans don't like it and want a new ending/closure. It'd be like if a TV show got cancelled right before the last episode was aired but they tried cutting together a few scenes from it in the penultimate to make it seem like that was the end of the series. People want to see that ending so they get answers for the questions that are now lingering on their minds.
But what do I know? I'm only a writer who has learnt how to structure things and plan things out like not suddenly shifting tone for the last couple of minutes of something and always have closure on your story if you've been making out into a long series and not do a Gainax Ending.
OK Bob fair enough, it's true no-one other than Bioware has the creative rights to ME3. However I'd like to clarify that I didn't dislike the mass Effect 3 ending because of what happened in the ending. But because it was poorly explained, badly written, and some of the material was somewhat invalidating to certain characters. IT was a sudden and admittedly disappointing slip in quality in a game that I was very invested in up to that point.
In that spirit I'm not going to say that I have any right to tell Bioware what they should have done. However I do reserve the right to call them out for doing a shitty job.
Peace.
In that spirit I'm not going to say that I have any right to tell Bioware what they should have done. However I do reserve the right to call them out for doing a shitty job.
Peace.
Maybe if more Movie-fans "whined and bitched" about the substandard products that they are sold, the Movie-industrie would start making better movies?
Just because the guy is a Wanker doesn't mean he's wrong Bob... ok he's wrong up until time index ~5 minutes but everything after that about right on... no actually its all right, I just agree with you that he's got a bad tone... like some of the videos someone else puts forth from time to time.MovieBob said:
This is longer (and I have already posted it with a I'mma just gonna leave this here) but is a much better explanations of why the endings void the claim, not the controversy around it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs
Its done in the style of a Plinkett review! Ya know, those awesome reviews you told us to go watch?... I watched bob, I WATCHED AND AM NOW THE MONSTER YOU HELPED CREATE!