The Big Picture: PC Gaming Is Dead - Long Live PC Gaming!
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PC Gaming is an enthusiast market now, same as it ever was. Mainstream gaming happened to grow up weaning itself off of PC Gaming innovations and eventually grew to be that much bigger.
Starcraft right now is the only format I see as being truly exclusive to PC merely by its format alone. And honestly, you know what I can't wait to play? Starcraft 3 on a tablet. OH LAWD, multi-touch micro is going to be INSANE. Think of the crazy level of APM you can achieve when you have five digits to work with, instead of one fidgety mouse pointer.
Starcraft right now is the only format I see as being truly exclusive to PC merely by its format alone. And honestly, you know what I can't wait to play? Starcraft 3 on a tablet. OH LAWD, multi-touch micro is going to be INSANE. Think of the crazy level of APM you can achieve when you have five digits to work with, instead of one fidgety mouse pointer.
Dunno that I agree entirely with the reasoning there. The PC I think will survive for a long time yet simply because it's the only platform where you don't tie yourself to one particular company. Until Sony,Microsoft and Nintendo stop being so anal about what you can and can't do with the box you supposedly bought then I for one will stick to a PC where once I buy it it's mine and I can do whatever I want with it from there. Swap bits around, load whatever programs/apps I want on it run whatever operating system I want heck if I want I can run the consoles operating system on the PC and play console games if I so choose. Do that on a console and you get stuff taken away from you including not being able to use the console you "own".
The second thing is the actual hardware that goes into those laptops, notebooks, consoles and phones is PC based. The PC is where all this stuff gets tested and the manufacturing process gets refined to increace the yeild of the high performance CPU's. As the yeild increaces they can reduce the size of the actual chip and thus put it in smaller and smaller things like laptops and consoles and eventually phones in the modern age and I would guess in the future biological implants. The reason high end laptops and the first wave of consoles run so hot is the processors heat production is beyond the cooling systems you can fit in such a small space. As the yeild increases from the manufacturing of the chips you can get the same performance from more efficent chips and so the later versions of the same can perform at the levels needed with lower heat generation. The other byproduct is you get better reliability as the chips arn't burning themselves out and use less power.
Sure you can hook up a keyboard and mouse to a console but thats evan less couch friendly than motion contols and if your going to add a bunch of scaffolding around your couch to accomadate the mouse and keyboard for a console how is that any different than setting up a simple desk for a PC.
Anyway thats my line of thinking on why the PC is probably going to stick around for a good while yet.
The second thing is the actual hardware that goes into those laptops, notebooks, consoles and phones is PC based. The PC is where all this stuff gets tested and the manufacturing process gets refined to increace the yeild of the high performance CPU's. As the yeild increaces they can reduce the size of the actual chip and thus put it in smaller and smaller things like laptops and consoles and eventually phones in the modern age and I would guess in the future biological implants. The reason high end laptops and the first wave of consoles run so hot is the processors heat production is beyond the cooling systems you can fit in such a small space. As the yeild increases from the manufacturing of the chips you can get the same performance from more efficent chips and so the later versions of the same can perform at the levels needed with lower heat generation. The other byproduct is you get better reliability as the chips arn't burning themselves out and use less power.
Sure you can hook up a keyboard and mouse to a console but thats evan less couch friendly than motion contols and if your going to add a bunch of scaffolding around your couch to accomadate the mouse and keyboard for a console how is that any different than setting up a simple desk for a PC.
Anyway thats my line of thinking on why the PC is probably going to stick around for a good while yet.
Bob.... usually you'd have a point but today.... meh... I am a fanboy of PC gaming and I freely admit to that but saying that lugging around 5-6 different devices to achieve what 1 used to and then remembering you have to keep all of them up to date in one form of another... sure rich people's PC gaming is dead, the rest of us (read: ones who don't shit solid gold and know that tech-wise using 5-6 devices for convenience's sake is retarded when you think of the fact that you'll be spending at least twice as much upgrading them) will keep to our PCs. Console gaming however... pardon me for pointing this out but: Halo 1 came out for both the PC and the Xbox at the same time and no Xbox player (no matter how good) could match a regular PC gamer in multiplayer which is the main reason why Halo went exclusive for the console and no matter what types of motion controllers get invented the mouse and the keyboard will never be surpassed in versatility and adaptability (excluding a direct mind to computer link which if you think about it requires major surgery and still isn't a motion controller 
).
).... This is probably the first episode I've disagreed with. I mean, there's so much going for pc at the moment, in many ways it's undergoing a resurgence even. Just look at the increasing popularity of free to play games and digital distribution,these are models that don't work half as well on consoles, mostly because the console owners take a much larger cut of profits. i mean sure, if you look at big blockbuster titles, most of them are consoles first, pc second but what the pc provides is a niche for mid-small developers that just isn't there on consoles. Until that goes away pcs are going to stay and the closed, controlled environments of the consoles really don't offer the necessary support.
Dude, that was just ridiculously uncalled for...ALPHATT said:
Sure he probably didn't have all the specifics hooked up to how he personally would like they, but *I* never mess around with mouse sensitivity and stuff either. Agreeably anyone who doesn't like keyboard/mouse can just hook up a USB controller, but people are allowed their preferences.
In the long run he?s probably right. The PC at the very least will not remain the big lug taking up an entire corner of a room, it's moving away from that as we speak. It will be a while before it has changed enough that it might not be called a PC anymore.
Actually (I know I've been posting a LOT in this thread but) I noticed something.
A lot of issue that's been risen in this video, and this thread, is about the size/space of a PC and it's portability. I think someone has to make it clear here that the only reason many people who do game on PC don't use the (readily available) micro cases that are about the size of a console is because of one thing- cooling.
With the kind of juice in my rig the heat output would be much higher were it not for the nice accomodating space, and the extra fans this allows me. I CHOSE to get the biggest case from HAF because airflow is critical.
Ever touched a PS3 slim after its been running all day? Jesus, it's like slapping a stove.
A lot of issue that's been risen in this video, and this thread, is about the size/space of a PC and it's portability. I think someone has to make it clear here that the only reason many people who do game on PC don't use the (readily available) micro cases that are about the size of a console is because of one thing- cooling.
With the kind of juice in my rig the heat output would be much higher were it not for the nice accomodating space, and the extra fans this allows me. I CHOSE to get the biggest case from HAF because airflow is critical.
Ever touched a PS3 slim after its been running all day? Jesus, it's like slapping a stove.
Okay, this video isn't as bad as my brother said as he accused Bob of saying PCs are dying in terms of a game plateform. However, that isn't the case as Bob did say that PC games are still continuing and probably will still continue to work.
In terms of his actual meaning that the Death of PC is the desktop unit, I don't really see it happening. I'm sure someone might have already said this at some point but the smart phones and pad/tablet PC are getting better but they cannot do everything that a desktop can do (at least not for long periods of time due to battery life). If laptops continue to get better then those might replace the desktop. However, I imagine that the people who have worked on building their own desktops will not quietly give up on doing so. Not only because it is something that they are used to but I imagine a lot of people like desktops because they can open them up and play around with their insides (which is something you cannot do with a lot of other Personal Computer devices).
So while I think Bob might have some points on that a desktop computer might not be needed too much now a days, I still think they might hang around due to the fact that they are useful and I think a lot of people like having big metal boxes with whirlly sounds coming from them around. Plus, I don't really want to think I wasted 500+ dollars on my new desktop all for nothing.
In terms of his actual meaning that the Death of PC is the desktop unit, I don't really see it happening. I'm sure someone might have already said this at some point but the smart phones and pad/tablet PC are getting better but they cannot do everything that a desktop can do (at least not for long periods of time due to battery life). If laptops continue to get better then those might replace the desktop. However, I imagine that the people who have worked on building their own desktops will not quietly give up on doing so. Not only because it is something that they are used to but I imagine a lot of people like desktops because they can open them up and play around with their insides (which is something you cannot do with a lot of other Personal Computer devices).
So while I think Bob might have some points on that a desktop computer might not be needed too much now a days, I still think they might hang around due to the fact that they are useful and I think a lot of people like having big metal boxes with whirlly sounds coming from them around. Plus, I don't really want to think I wasted 500+ dollars on my new desktop all for nothing.
I see no reason to move away from PC usage. It just gives me access to everything. While other, uhh, pieces of tech, are too specialized and too gimmicky.
PC's cost more, but also deliver more.
Until something truly better is made, I'll stick to it.
PC's cost more, but also deliver more.
Until something truly better is made, I'll stick to it.
The fact it took to page 9 is surprisingNewYork_Comedian said:Someone had to bring it out, so ill volunteer
. In the whole of the video the only thing that is a threat to the PC is Cloud gaming. Pretty much everything else suggested would still require a piece of hardware to do all the computations that a person requires. Also, did anyone else find it funny how he wished his Xbox would be more like a PC? A rose by any other name is still a fucking rose.
And now for some fun facts about the PC.
HD compatible since the 90's. Motion controllers since the 80s. Backwards compatible since the 2nd one was made to improve the 1st one. DLC since the 90s. Online gaming since the 70's (or 80's, my dates are a little fuzzy). PC Gaming is dead because consoles are becoming more and more like PCs, but you are wrong. As your consoles become more and more like PCS, you wil all soon be part of THE SUPERIOR GAMING RACE!!!! (who can't spell for shit
) *Insert evil laugh here*Sure, and then everyone who plays it on a $600 PC with a $100 Wacom tablet interface will laugh at you trying to play it on your shitty $600 tablet and having to set the graphics to "super ultra poverty-stricken low." Especially since you'll still have a PC lying around somewhere that you have to do work on, and you'll be playing on a small 12" screen instead of in godly 1080p on your 40" flat panel.300lb. Samoan said:
Seriously, right now I have my computer hooked up to a 23" monitor and my 40" tv. It cost me $600 to build a year and a half ago and runs just about every game I throw at it. Better yet, it still does what it needs to do in terms of office work AND serves as a great home server for all my movies and music and porn. You just can't beat that sort of goodness, unless u go into 'the cloud'. But I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to put 1TB of pirated data on the cloud.
If there's anything that's killing PC gaming, it's piracy. Just for giggles I look up Dragon Age 2 on Pirate Bay. 500+ seeders 10,000+ leechers. That's 10,000 people that are getting this game for free and that's only on that one day that I looked. Even if 1/4 of those people would have bought that game if they couldn't get it for free, that's a more money than I feel like calculating that the developer is losing out on. World of Goo creator, 2D Boy, released a statement that they compared their pc sales to the number of people logging onto their World of Goo servers and determined that 95% of the people playing had stolen the game.
95%!
I was tempted to do it myself for Dragon Age 2 since I refuse to give EA a dime of my money. But then I realized I'd be boycotting the company for hurting gaming's future while doing something myself that is hurting gaming's future. That's too much hypocrisy even for a jaded angry twenty something like myself.
95%!
I was tempted to do it myself for Dragon Age 2 since I refuse to give EA a dime of my money. But then I realized I'd be boycotting the company for hurting gaming's future while doing something myself that is hurting gaming's future. That's too much hypocrisy even for a jaded angry twenty something like myself.