The Big Picture: PC Gaming Is Dead - Long Live PC Gaming!
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PC gaming ain't going anywhere and I will show you why with a little example.
I recently played Dragon Age 2. There is a nasty bug and because of it the animation of your charachter goes slower and slower to a point when it became impossible to play. The problem is cross-platforms. Consolle players are stuck untill the patch. PC players could use an editor avaible a couple of day after the publication of the game and solve the problem on the fly.
Another example, allways in Dragon Age 2. There is a bugged quest and at the end you could not receive an important item because of that bug. Well, thanks to a modder, there is a program that uses editor console functionalities that enables you to add items in the inventory. Problem solved.
Consolles and other i-devices will never allow such things because their producers want complete controll over what you can or cannot do with the machine you have paid. The day they will allow such freedom, those item will become powerless PC and open themselves to all the exploit of piracy and the like. I doubt that it will happen in the near future.
And I don't even want to begin talking about the fact that playing on the PC, a machine that can do many things in just one place seamlessly, is really confortable. If I get stuck in a game and need some hint, I just have to alt-tab, launch Firefox/Chrome (what's IE?) and look in the forums or at gamefaq, just to make an example.If I get bored by a game, I can stop, surf the web, look a movie or an episode of a TV series and return to the game.
With my PS3 (yes, I own a PS3 too for consolles exclusives I'm interested about) it's unconfortable if not impossible.
So, honestly, the video is really bad and I have the impression that the author do not know what he's talking about (since he made that strange distinction between laptop and desktop PCs). Maybe it's better if he keeps playing Mario's games and talk aout movies.
I recently played Dragon Age 2. There is a nasty bug and because of it the animation of your charachter goes slower and slower to a point when it became impossible to play. The problem is cross-platforms. Consolle players are stuck untill the patch. PC players could use an editor avaible a couple of day after the publication of the game and solve the problem on the fly.
Another example, allways in Dragon Age 2. There is a bugged quest and at the end you could not receive an important item because of that bug. Well, thanks to a modder, there is a program that uses editor console functionalities that enables you to add items in the inventory. Problem solved.
Consolles and other i-devices will never allow such things because their producers want complete controll over what you can or cannot do with the machine you have paid. The day they will allow such freedom, those item will become powerless PC and open themselves to all the exploit of piracy and the like. I doubt that it will happen in the near future.
And I don't even want to begin talking about the fact that playing on the PC, a machine that can do many things in just one place seamlessly, is really confortable. If I get stuck in a game and need some hint, I just have to alt-tab, launch Firefox/Chrome (what's IE?) and look in the forums or at gamefaq, just to make an example.If I get bored by a game, I can stop, surf the web, look a movie or an episode of a TV series and return to the game.
With my PS3 (yes, I own a PS3 too for consolles exclusives I'm interested about) it's unconfortable if not impossible.
So, honestly, the video is really bad and I have the impression that the author do not know what he's talking about (since he made that strange distinction between laptop and desktop PCs). Maybe it's better if he keeps playing Mario's games and talk aout movies.
Quite. imo, it isn't that PC gaming is dying, its that PC and console gaming is merging. Consoles are becoming more like PCs, and vice versa.The_root_of_all_evil said:
I think we are, with gathering momentum, approaching a singularity where all electronic devices will become interchangeable peripherals of each other.
TV and PC are being integrated, internet telephony is making landlines obsolete, portable media players and mobile phones are now basically the same thing, and tablets are simply an extension of the desktop.
It is not hard to imagine Microsoft creating an Xbox/Windows PC hybrid in the future, perhaps allowing you to switch freely between the two. In fact, in some silicon-valley lab it has probably already been made. And this is not a bad thing.
The PCvsConsole debate is old news, ¡Viva la Revolución!
PC gaming isn't dying in the slightest. What is PC gaming anyway? well what is a PC? a PC is basically a computer that uses a monitor, keyboard and mouse (plus has an OS like windows). To be frank I don't see PC gaming going anywhere until the monitor/keyboard/mouse interface paradigm is obsolete and I don't see that happening this century if ever.
Sure we have controllers and fancy touch interfaces but i'm sure everyone will concede that for actual general computer use the mouse and keyboard is much more effective.... and thus will stay with us for a long time.
I rest my case.
Sure we have controllers and fancy touch interfaces but i'm sure everyone will concede that for actual general computer use the mouse and keyboard is much more effective.... and thus will stay with us for a long time.
I rest my case.
Everyone on here has pretty much stated everything there is to be said about this video. Bob I'm afraid you didn't quite catch the "Big Picture". Perhaps you should stick with your movies.
I guess what weirds me about this most is that... I only really got into Steam, PC gaming's biggest selling point (literally...I'd assume, if they released numbers) last year (and BOY did I sink a lot of money in 'ere)...AFTER I got my lappy, which was better than the desktop I had at the time.
To me, laptops = desktops as far as IDing a "PC". There's gaming laptops, after all. Yeah, right now, a desktop can outperform a laptop if they're both spec'd out the wazoo, but my view sees them as the same beast. Prolly the "keyboard & touchpad/mouse" interface.
To me, laptops = desktops as far as IDing a "PC". There's gaming laptops, after all. Yeah, right now, a desktop can outperform a laptop if they're both spec'd out the wazoo, but my view sees them as the same beast. Prolly the "keyboard & touchpad/mouse" interface.
I take all that back, I understand now that yeah, probably everything for the PC will eventually move to the laptop, but still, its a personal computer in some ways. It runs windows, its for gaming, so yeah, big fat personal computers may die, but we will still have laptops and such for computer gaming.
Extra Credits (created by Industry Experts) predict consoles will be dead, and explains why with a decent argument. No-one will need a dedicated machine to play games anymore. Motion control? You could get that on PC's DAYS after the Consoles release them, with software tweak.
I'm going with the guys that have realized YOU CAN USE A CONSOLE CONTROLLER ON A PC
I'm going with the guys that have realized YOU CAN USE A CONSOLE CONTROLLER ON A PC
Because Super Meat Boy is also on the consoles...Samurai Goomba said:
Laptops can run games, but as a secondary function, as Bob said. They dont have their own dedicated graphics card unless you buy a laptop specifically built with its own graphics card. Without that graphics card, and can use its chipset to simulate a graphics card, but its not even close. If you use a laptop thats not meant for games for gaming, you are gonna run into a lot of problems, including games not running (and if they do, running extremely sporadically), lag, and probably a blown out fan because those chipsets arent really meant for the strain that graphic cards use.
Gaming has always been a secondary function of PC's, like Bob said. Unlesss you build a computer a certain way, its function is not for gaming. And, as technology increases, the PC is just going to get less and less appealing, for customers and developers. PC gaming is pretty much dead. Save for a few developers, most have stopped using the PC as their primary focus, and treats the PC more like a machine for ports (thanks to Steam). The only thing keeping the PC breathing is the life support from MMO's and Steam: both have limited life in them.
*sees wasteland of elitist rants, fanboy rage and all around bigotry over whos electronic amusement is superior*
well I guess I saw this one coming, sadly no one heeded Bob's words, although it was to be expected =p. I wonder if any unfortunate soul has actually read all 38 pages of nerd rage?
well I guess I saw this one coming, sadly no one heeded Bob's words, although it was to be expected =p. I wonder if any unfortunate soul has actually read all 38 pages of nerd rage?
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Coming from a family with four Laptops and a decrepit old home PC that just sits in the corner and mutters to itself, I can totally see where Bob's coming from.
I think we're already there to a surprisingly large degree, even my hardcore PC gamer friends use laptops for the sheer convenience of it.
In the end does arguing over this stuff matter? The changes have been coming since the advent of wi-fi, portability is the new paradigm for home computing, if not gaming.
I think we're already there to a surprisingly large degree, even my hardcore PC gamer friends use laptops for the sheer convenience of it.
In the end does arguing over this stuff matter? The changes have been coming since the advent of wi-fi, portability is the new paradigm for home computing, if not gaming.
as much as i hate to admit it, you are correct. and the old "real" gamers are dieing with it. all we hear now is graphics this , graphics that, nobody cares about story or gameplay.
but we must not forget strategy. consoles tried to do it and failed, and so far it still remains pretty much PC exclusive. though it is a dieing genre too. strategy is my genre of choice, and whenever i talk to other gamers i find myself alienated because more and more people are into shooters and thing that strategy is "for nerds/lusers". oh well guess im going to become one of those grumpy people who hate everything when i get old.
but we must not forget strategy. consoles tried to do it and failed, and so far it still remains pretty much PC exclusive. though it is a dieing genre too. strategy is my genre of choice, and whenever i talk to other gamers i find myself alienated because more and more people are into shooters and thing that strategy is "for nerds/lusers". oh well guess im going to become one of those grumpy people who hate everything when i get old.
Your off at the end, Bob. Tablet gamers won't rail against cybernetic eye games. Those will never exist. They'll be railing against holodecks.
Also, I played PC games exclusivley until I was 12, when I got the Xbox 360. This being out of necessity. However, I only played strategy games and tycoon style games on PC. That is all PC's are really good for in the realm of gaming. Strategy games don't really work on consoles. PC's will be around forever, but in laptop form (mine is). And this allows them to fill the startegy gaming niche, plus allow Dilbert to get his progress report to his boss on time while doing his taxes.
That is all.
Also, I played PC games exclusivley until I was 12, when I got the Xbox 360. This being out of necessity. However, I only played strategy games and tycoon style games on PC. That is all PC's are really good for in the realm of gaming. Strategy games don't really work on consoles. PC's will be around forever, but in laptop form (mine is). And this allows them to fill the startegy gaming niche, plus allow Dilbert to get his progress report to his boss on time while doing his taxes.
That is all.
I don't believe PC's are ONLY good for strategic-type games, though they are the only exclusives PC really has. I'm a PC gamer now, but not out of elitism or anything of the sort, really it's mostly about money. PC gaming has come cheaper to me than console gaming. When being a console gamer I had maybe 15 games at a time for my xbox, I now have over a 100 on my Steam account. The amount of sales PC gaming gets is what keeps me there really, and I don't see PC gaming genuinely dying anytime soon really, most developers still create for the PC and it's still a decent market. Just my thoughts on the subject.
There were a couple of things in this video that really didn't sit well with me, i'll list them to make it easier:
- PC's will disappear - To a degree I disagree, I doubt very much anything is going to replace the need for a keyboard/mouse & monitor, sure there are a ton of great gadgets that sort of cover and sometimes completely cover what the average PC does but it'll never replace the need for a proper screen and a keyboard/mouse. I can imagine one day having a portable PC that may double up as a phone but im willing to bet when you get home from a fishing trip or whatever you'll be plugging the keyboard, mouse & monitor into it to play 'CoD 50: Modern Fanfare 8', hell you may even be using it at the office as your work PC too for all I know.
Short version: Nothing is going to replace the need for a keyboard, mouse, and monitor. Not until you can plug the computer directly into your brain.
- PC's only have 'God sims' and social games - I'll admit a lot of games are being made for consoles but you can be damn sure most of them are getting released on the PC too, on top of that we still have a fair monopoly on the MMO market which, by the way, is huge.
Also see quoted post for more PC exclusives, by the way.
- Motion controls - I realise this video came out before the Razer Hydra but c'mon, anyone could have seen that one coming.
Also, motion controls aren't going to be replacing anything, they simply don't have the same functions as the keyboard & mouse and im sure console gamers would also argue the controller.
- A message for moviebob - I respect you but this video came off like your average flame-bait post on a forum, please don't do a video like this again.
- PC's will disappear - To a degree I disagree, I doubt very much anything is going to replace the need for a keyboard/mouse & monitor, sure there are a ton of great gadgets that sort of cover and sometimes completely cover what the average PC does but it'll never replace the need for a proper screen and a keyboard/mouse. I can imagine one day having a portable PC that may double up as a phone but im willing to bet when you get home from a fishing trip or whatever you'll be plugging the keyboard, mouse & monitor into it to play 'CoD 50: Modern Fanfare 8', hell you may even be using it at the office as your work PC too for all I know.
Short version: Nothing is going to replace the need for a keyboard, mouse, and monitor. Not until you can plug the computer directly into your brain.
- PC's only have 'God sims' and social games - I'll admit a lot of games are being made for consoles but you can be damn sure most of them are getting released on the PC too, on top of that we still have a fair monopoly on the MMO market which, by the way, is huge.
Also see quoted post for more PC exclusives, by the way.
- Motion controls - I realise this video came out before the Razer Hydra but c'mon, anyone could have seen that one coming.
Also, motion controls aren't going to be replacing anything, they simply don't have the same functions as the keyboard & mouse and im sure console gamers would also argue the controller.
- A message for moviebob - I respect you but this video came off like your average flame-bait post on a forum, please don't do a video like this again.
Damn, didn't know the PC gaming scene was so barren!Void(null) said:
Everyone cares about story and graphics. Gameplay, outside of Nintendo and a few others, has fallen to the wayside. PC used to be home to the crazy-complex and awesome games, and now that's basically died out. Anyone else miss Descent, and think it would be perfect for this generation? Don't even get me started on Freespace. I really miss those old space sim games. Of anything, they would be the coolest to see brought to the modern era.Strazdas said:
Holy crap. So many people took this the wrong way. LAWL
For a while, I believed PC gaming was on a long hiatus, only surviving on games like WoW and CS. Now, I believe PC gaming made a huge comeback out of nowhere, especially with platforms like Steam and more being released. If it weren't for Steam, I would never have heard of half the games that have been released a few years ago (like Killing Floor and Homefront) nor would I have ever found such awesome indie games. It's pretty neat.
Of course, that isn't to say that gaming consoles aren't as valuable. They're all awesome
For a while, I believed PC gaming was on a long hiatus, only surviving on games like WoW and CS. Now, I believe PC gaming made a huge comeback out of nowhere, especially with platforms like Steam and more being released. If it weren't for Steam, I would never have heard of half the games that have been released a few years ago (like Killing Floor and Homefront) nor would I have ever found such awesome indie games. It's pretty neat.
Of course, that isn't to say that gaming consoles aren't as valuable. They're all awesome
Eh. I stopped listening when it started talking about doing everything a PC can do mostly easier and more efficiently on five different devices.
Sure, is a lot of the PC's use being transferred over to other devices? Yeah. But would I rather do e-mail on my phone than on my PC? No. Would I rather play games on my Xbox 360 than my PC? Only if the game is beyond my PC's specs or not available on the PC (Which I was sadly limited by for ages beyond my liking). It just means that I can take my e-mail on the go, and have a standardized platform on which I can be sure games will run during its life-span, compared to a PC that would need several parts to be updated every so often to keep up with the times.
PC gaming is only really dying because (apparently) game engines are only really released every console generation to take advantage of that market. So while processor and graphics power increases dramatically, it's use is stifled by a lack of new tools.
Take this from someone who became a sort of PC gamer after living on consoles his whole life. PCs are just better.
Sure, is a lot of the PC's use being transferred over to other devices? Yeah. But would I rather do e-mail on my phone than on my PC? No. Would I rather play games on my Xbox 360 than my PC? Only if the game is beyond my PC's specs or not available on the PC (Which I was sadly limited by for ages beyond my liking). It just means that I can take my e-mail on the go, and have a standardized platform on which I can be sure games will run during its life-span, compared to a PC that would need several parts to be updated every so often to keep up with the times.
PC gaming is only really dying because (apparently) game engines are only really released every console generation to take advantage of that market. So while processor and graphics power increases dramatically, it's use is stifled by a lack of new tools.
Take this from someone who became a sort of PC gamer after living on consoles his whole life. PCs are just better.
So essentially this. Until the computer is ultra-portable and has the accessibility that a PC has, we'll have it and hardcore gaming on it.Ickorus said: