Jumplion said:
You can't talk about sexism being bad if you believe the gender of the subject has an effect on the connotation of the exact same action.
...sexism is
based on gender and how it affects us...
I'm not sure I see the relevance of that.
Yes, that is true
The relevance is that you said that one cannot claim sexism if they believe gender effects how people, or events, are perceived.
That is patently ludicrous and fundamentally misunderstands sexism.
Wow... way to misquote me when my unaltered quote is right in front of you.
"You can't talk about sexism being bad"
some how turned into
"One cannot claim sexism"
Thirdly, she has never specifically gone after individual, personal developers nor has she ever stated, or suggested, that the developers are intentionally or inherently misogynistic. She does state that developers and content creators often use these sorts of tropes because of laziness or lac which is totally true and several developers have supported this statement.
Yes she does. She exclusively does that. in every Tropes Vs. Women video.
She attacks individual developers. and claims that the products they make are inherently misogynistic.
That is literally what Tropes Vs. Women does.
That is exactly what the title implies, that is exactly how the evidence is presented, that is why she cherry picks scenes from Sleeping Dogs where a woman in a mini skirt gets thrown into the trunk of a car when Wei Shen can throw any NPC into the trunk of a car.
That's why she says the women are put there to be spied on when you can spy on any character in Hit-man or the Saboteur.
She completely ignores that anything you can do to a female NPC you can also do to a male NPC
Except for the Watch_Dogs part where she says that all the male NPC's who get beat up or gunned down had it coming by calling them active aggressors
Older than dirt sales techniques and older than older than dirt storytelling techniques are bent to her will to make the uncreative out to be sexist
2) She never even suggests that these are representations of "all" women.
Tropes Vs. Women...
Her series is called Tropes Vs. Women
If she was capable of seeing a fictional character as an individual she would never call her series Tropes Vs. Women
Or such a basic story telling tool like "The bad guy does something bad, and warp that to make video games look sexist and the worst part is that people fall for it.
It's this type of thinking on what stories tell us that
prevents us from being able to actually intellectually analyze our media. Essentially, you're suggesting all critics be out of a job because they're just "warping" a simple story of "guy tries to get suitcase full of valuables" (Pulp Fiction) or "Guy saves a bunch of Jews" (Schindler's List) to mean something that they supposedly aren't.
What the fuck are you talking about?
What is it that you think you just said?
1) My original point remains unaffected.
No, it doesn't, because she never said that. I rewatched both of her most recent videos and there is nothing like that stated.
Again, great job providing your evidence.
What original point? that is what you said. You were wrong.
I provided you with the exact quote instead of a paraphrased version
You said it was never said, I gave you the exact quote and the time stamp in the video. several time stamps
How 'bout 16:10
"When men are depicted using female npc's as tools or commodities" I'll continue with the quote but do you see how she said "men" and "female npc's"
She's putting arbitrary gender divides into her speech
She is the one doing the dehumanizing.
How is it "arbitrary"?
by the dictionary definition of arbitrary
based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
there is no logical reason to refer to male NPC's as men and female NPC's as female NPC's so her diction was arbitrary.
You're basically trying to say that "gender doesn't matter" when it clearly does. It's attempting the "I don't see color" argument when it comes to race, completely ignoring the very real effect that race has on us. This is why I feel more secure in my assessment of you not understanding sexism when trying to go for the "You're the real sexist" claim.
Not even close, I'm saying Anita Sarkeesian is sexist.
http://youtu.be/GpDnr2s9yxQ?t=1m34s
Listen to this clip and tell me she's not sexist (Up to 2:15, or fuck if I care watch the whole video)
She is not "talking down to whores", nor is she shaming women for liking sex.
How can you when the context she used was a failable mini game where the male character had to pleasure a female until he got rewarded with sex?
Your stupid Pulp Fiction/Schindler's List comment threw me off, so clarify that one if you would be so kind
