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MrDeckard said:
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Aaaaaand this is why I kind of HATE nerds....

Rather than just enjoying the episode, we feel the need to pick apart every single thing he said.
So, you hate nerds because they do in writing what bob does in every last one of his episodes? pick things apart, he does it in the big picture, does it in escape to the movies, the game overthinker pretty much speaks for itself.

BUT you clearly dont see this so im just going to look at you, cross my eyes and let out a nice loud "HUUUUUUURRRR"
A couple of things to think about:

1) Bob is a critic. It's what he does for a living, so he has a good reason.

2) When Bob nitpicks something he does it in a fun and creative way in order to inform people, while the majority of the people in this thread are not only boring, but they are only making the corrections because they like feeling smarter than other people.

3) This episode was FUN and few of these people seem to grasp that. Instead they seem intent on taking it too seriously and play Buzzkillington.

Also, your last sentence did not make much sense, so I will assume you were attempting to insult me.
1) Having a good reason for doing something isnt a legitimate reason to enjoy one persons work and insult anothers. Just because people on the internet dont get paid to share their opinions and pick things apart does not make their opinions any less valid, if anything it makes it more valid that someone whos paid, as the person who is paid must exaggerate in order to stand out.

2) Not true, on a lot of occassions he simply rants, he airs his opinions as he sees fit, while there is a sense of showmanship involved in his portrayal. Also, this is an irrelevant point, since you shows annoyance in people picking things apart instead of enjoying them. something bob does continuously through his webshows, it is his job as you said. Picking things apart, a quality you find repellent is the job of the person who you are defending. You clearly were not build to observe your own hypocrisy.

3) Arguable. But thats per personal taste, i personally enjoy seeing what a lot of the people in the comments have to see and find what they pick apart interesting, on top of most of what bob has to say on the big picture, while certain videos bob has produced i have found to be quite the opposite, having very little in term of interesting value or fun. His review of scream 4 and the green lantern movie being prime examples, while i did not enjoy watching either movie so much i found his reveiws of the two movies to be incredibly flawed and needlessly exaggerated to the point of being patronising. Scream 4 in particular.

And my last comment did make sense. And no, for the most part it was not an insult, as i was only trying to make a slight comment at the cyclic logic you implied and the post was only meant as a jestered comment with no real need to reply to it. Buuuut, why should i expect you to find that obvious, clearly you're not too far from my nerd brethren since you felt some compulsion to pick apart a easily ignorable jest at the way you phrased your comment. So i go ahead and sign you up for the weekly nerd newsletter or are you gonna stay in the proverbial closet for a little bit longer?
1) Alright. You win that one. It was a cheap shot and I missed.

2) Arguable. I have yet to see anything he has put out as having no entertainment value. Also, I show annoyance at people picking things apart JUST for the sake of picking things apart. Bob does it for entertainment and to inform people.

3) I was less saying that this is an entertaining video and more that the PURPOSE of the video was fun and entertainment. If some people did not find it to be so, fine. i simply ask that people take things in the spirit they are given.

Not the "Kind of" in my original statement.


You seem to imply that, a) I am not a total nerd myself and, b) dislike the nerd populace in general.

Neither of these things are true. However, I dislike the part of nerd-dom that drives us to pick apart things that do not require nor ask to be picked apart.

And although, yes, your jest was easily ignorable, I considering it was a good third of that post, I felt I should at least try and understand it.
Picking things apart is a rather fun past-time for many intellectual types, you'll find the critical mind required for scientific though tends to develop as a need to pick apart arguments for the sake of forwarding understanding, a point my friends and especially my girlfriend find annoying about me is that i tend to be overcritical of points that generally do not need a critical eye, however its how my brain works, as i'm sure it is with many of the people tearing apart bobs videos, unfortunately this state of mind is something that is very distinctively nerd and is a very integral part of the culture. And i must apologize, but upon reading your initial post i seemed to have glanced past the kind of without acknowledging it and therefore apologize if i therefore implied you were more disapproving of the nerd populace.

To your third point, i suppose to take something in the spirit they are given is of little meaning when the spirit is airing opinions; when i watched his green lantern review i just saw it as being harsh and needless. The joke were lost in a pool of hate and its hard to view the spirit of the review as being one of comedy, but rather of anger which as far as entertainment value goes just isn't that fun, or at least for me. In order to take things in the spirit they are given, it must first and foremost be presented in the spirit you are trying to give, and when i watched this video the tone of it did not seem humorous to me, and while the lack of sincerity in parts is obvious the whole thing just shows bob as an ass, and the whole thing just comes off as annoying to listen to.
 

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"Team Science" made me chuckle

Your point comes across though (if there was any), that the bosses aren't interested in these kinda innovations because there's not enough short term profit..

I already have my jetpack, where's yours?
 

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While were on the topic, Science, where's my big giant mecha armors?
As something of an extension of this: Science, where's my Metal Gears? No seriously, where the hell are they?
 

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The meat "problem" is not a science problem, it's a capitalism problem. Also the hunger in Africa is a capitalism problem (with more deep historical implications). We the 7 billion humans already produce more food than we actually need.
Don't kid yourself, it's a human greed problem. Did you forget that communism had its shot too? It failed because it didn't account for the greed and incompetence of bureaucrats. Capitalism is hardly perfect but it functions because it expects people to be greedy. The form of government or economic complex hardly matters, you'd have to change human nature itself.
 

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Over the millenia, we've bred cows to need to eat colossal amounts of grain to survive. If we stopped farming cows, they'd starve to death because nobody would be feeding them anymore. The cows need us now.

hurricanejbb said:
And why go for the green alien chicks when the blue ones are so much hotter? http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4550004198_8da8482dcd_o.jpg
You've really got to give credit to Bioware's art team that I can actually tell the asari apart. That is Liara, right?
Nah, I think that makes you a Space Racist. Or something.
 

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Hello Bob! I do so enjoy your productions and rantings, so I thought I might stop by to offer a few more replies on behalf of the "Science Guys."

(Full disclosure, I am merely a humble high school science teacher, with my advanced degrees all being in education. My response is by no means a definitive answer, but hopefully it will help bring some small measure of closure.)

Why we don't have Jet-packs - ultimately this is a safety vs reward issue. Thinking of it abstractly as a means to move an unprotected person around it is very similar to a motorcycle, which is already 20-30 times more likely to kill you than an automobile. A jet-pack, unfortunately, adds gravity to the already hazardous problem of violent deceleration-due-to-obstruction. So even assuming we could make a jet-pack that was cheap to produce, easy to use, and free of all fuel and energy constraints ? it would still provide far too little actual benefit for the enormous risk involved.

Why we don't grow meat in a lab - this is actually really, really hard. Any living organism is an enormously complex system that is built literally cell-by-cell. (We can't grow replacement parts yet, so be sure to fill out that organ donor card.) In order to get an actual steak, you would need to recreate the system of cells that form the internal muscle and fat structures that are sliced up to make that steak. Those dividing cells need raw material just like a cow needs grain (and in a lab are actually 'fed' off of a nutrient gel.) To make a long story short, growing the cow is just easier ? although it is not terribly energy efficient either. If we ever have enough control over organic molecules that we can just build up whatever we want out of atoms and energy, it won't just be steaks ? we could build anything: vegetables, grains, organs, entire people...

Why we don't have Star Fleet - it's not the lack of motivation, it's the lack of destination and tools to get there. Space is big, as Douglas Adams so perfectly put it. Impossibly vast. The void between us and everything else is so mind-numbingly huge that it will take a means of energy use or distance travel that is outside of our current understanding. Once we need to start tapping into the planets in this solar system for resources, we might be able to find a way around interstellar distances.

Why we don't have tiny Bears but we do have tiny Dogs - Dogs have been with man for as long as we've been able to dig back in the history of all mankind. Seriously, we have a hard time finding any evidence of any human group that predates our dogs. So, it's not that dogs are amazing varied animals - they are simply the result of thousands of years of selective breeding. We absolutely could have teeny tiny bears if we started up a selective breeding program over the next thousand years or so. Stay tuned to your local genetics researcher, however - they may be able to short-cut this for us.

So, ultimately, all of the answers boil down to "because the problems are more complex than they appear." But that doesn't mean they are insurmountable problems. Simply asking the questions and trying to find answers will continue to provide results. Perhaps our world will never be as wondrous as our imagination would have it be ? but what we have now would bug the eyes right out of the heads of anyone from a mere hundred years ago. Don't take everything around you for granted simply because it is all familiar to you. This place is amazing.
 

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I'm not a physicist, so I can't tell you why you don't have a jetpack. I can guess - I believe it has something to do with fuel energy density - there isn't any non-explosive fuel that we have that can be used in a jetpack that would allow you to travel for any significant period of time. Don't get me wrong - we could probably totally build you a jetpack. It's just that we don't have the fuel that would allow you to fly for more than 5 minutes. Pretty useless. It would also be very expensive and dangerous.

Now, I am actually a biologist, so I can answer your question on cultured meat: It's expensive. Culturing tissue is not cheap, it's not even that easy. To grow large amounts of meat would require huge, vast, enormous arrays of tissue culturing equipment. Remember, it's not as easy as making a vat the size of a house and getting a chunk of meat the size of a house: tissue cultures need to have the media (that's the stuff they live in, usually consists of amino acids, maybe BSA and other things) constantly changed. They have to get enough oxygen, which requires that the tissue layers can't be too thick. You also need to use antibiotics and antivirals to ensure sterility. Hell, the whole thing's gotta be sterile since tissue cultures don't have their own immune system (they're just one tissue after all). Plus, we're.... not that good at cultivating more than one tissue at a time. We can do it... we're just not that good at it yet. Thus, any cultivated, lab-grown meat would taste pretty gosh darn awful. We can grow skin pretty well, because we've spent a ton of time researching skin and skin is pretty thin and we know how to keep it more or less "happy". But meat.... well, it's just not feasible at the moment. It's very expensive. We just don't have the system set up to easily automate the process and it's actually quite complex. We're working on the problem of making food cheaper - but that involves genetically engineering/cloning animals in order to make the grow quicker and require less grazing land. Apart from space exploration and space colonies, I don't really see a practical purpose for tissue-lab grown meat. And even then there wouldn't be that much of a purpose, since they'd just take vitamins and easily stored carbohydrate-food with them. As long as you take Vitamin B and Iron supplements, you don't actually NEED meat to survive. Any long space voyage that took place in the near future would just store vitamins and sugars and protein pills, instead of taking meat with them.

PETA have a prize for the first lab to commercially produce meat in vats.

As for space exploration and lying about finding oil... yeah, scientists are competitive. There's nothing we like more than catching the mistakes in other scientists work. We're kinda jerks to each other, but that's a necessary and vital part of science. Don't get me wrong, scientists lie sometimes... and that's why other scientists LOVE to catch those lies, since it makes them look like the better scientist. If someone wanted to lie about finding Oil on Mars to get sponsored for his project, there WILL be another scientist who will say "NUH UH! I haven't seen any data to support this conclusion".
 

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Jumpingbean3 said:
MB202 said:
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Also, about jetpacks, how are you going to solve the problem of having your pants and underpants burned off?
Not all Jetpacks need to shoot fire, just something that can provide lift.
How's that work?
I think he provided a picture in the video of a jet pack that used propeller blades. Okay technically it's not so much a Jetpack as it is a Helipack but either way it's using a hi-tech backpack for personal flight.

EDIT: Apparently real life jetpacks that don't shoot fire already exist.

Hey now that you mention it, he never specified what kind of jetpack he wanted. I guess beggars can't be choosers.
 

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I know now since MovieBob told me so and that news story of the steak made from waste matter that cultured meat is possible. However, even since finding a little manga called "Bio-Meat" that notions horrifies me just a little.

Imagine an organism that is small, extremely hardy and durable, and reproduces asexually dependent on the amount of matter it consumes. Now make it constantly hungry and capable of devouring anything save metal, glass, and fiberglass. That's a Bio-Meat, BM for short. In the manga, they were created to solve two worldwide problems: trash disposal and food shortages. But, they kept getting out, and NO one outside the company that made them knew this was what cultured meat actually was. I'm sure it would never happen like that in real life, but my mind always ends up wandering to the worst possible thing it seems.

Anyway, funny stuff Bob. Can't wait for the scathing you give Puss in Boots.
 

ReiverCorrupter

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First off, what Bob and other people seem to not realize is that the current scientific paradigm, i.e. general and special relativity basically makes space travel a pipe dream in principle. Theoretically you could travel close to the speed of light and the time elapsed from your perspective would seem slight, but everyone you knew and loved back home would have died thousands of years ago. Who's going to do that? Unless we could all travel as a society it's hardly worth it.

BgRdMchne said:
You are never going into space.
You will never own a jet pack.
Your car will never fly.
HIV will not be cured in your lifetime.
Cancer will not be cured in your lifetime.
The common cold will not be cured in your lifetime.
Don't these things bother you?
Those are some awfully bold predictions. The last three should be solved in the next 50 years or so once we've mastered our understanding of genetics. At this point they are merely known unknowns. There's really no excuse why they shouldn't other than complete corruption. However, you couldn't bury cures and medicinal breakthroughs like alternative energy because it's too easy to produce and distribute it, someone will inevitably have too much of a conscience to be bought off and they'll end up screwing the pharmaceutical companies. Corruption can keep systems like our dependency on oil going because changing the system would involve a massive industrial overhaul. E.g. we would have to create an entirely new system of hydrogen pumps across the nation, or build an effective nation-wide mass transit system, both of which are massive investments and thus can be more easily argued against when people don't care. But with medicine there is no such problem. Once someone comes up with a cure it is easy to produce and distribute. At most it will be set back by the patent for a few years, but that won't last very long because people will clamor for a cure and ultimately society will be more efficient as a whole if it is burdened with less sick people. The pharmaceutical industry will eventually lose out.

You're clearly some sort of conspiracy theorist. Let me let you in on some bad news: we aren't in control of our own destiny. There is no illuminati. Society is driven by blind forces.

The reason why we are stagnating right now is because we have grown decadent. We are too busy enjoying what we already have and there is no reason to invest in anything revolutionary. Businesses are in it for profits. They aren't deliberately stealing our future, they are just doing what is in their nature to do. They won't invest in long term high risk/reward scientific research because it is too risky from an economic standpoint. This is just the way the world works, sorry. There isn't much you can do.

Think of the conditions which brought about the most revolutionary technologies... computers and the splitting of the atom just to name a few.. all were brought on by WORLD WAR. When engaged in an epic struggle a society is more willing to invest in high risk/reward revolutionary technologies. Europe isn't more technologically advanced because of some Hegelian world spirit; other civilizations such as Japan, India or China could just have easily stumbled upon the industrial revolution and scientific method. In fact, they came very close at certain points. The reason why it happened in Europe is because Europe was at constant struggle with itself, and thus was much more willing to invest in new technologies.
For instance, the optics that paved the way for Copernicus and Galileo were useful because they allowed one to see an approaching armada hours earlier and thus constituted a tactical advantage.

Other civilizations fell off in technological advancements once they became secure enough from external threats. Japan passed on rockets and gunpowder because it was largely concerned with internal struggles within its own society. Thus even though there was violence, it was a controlled violence and not an existential threat. The different sides were able to come to agreements about honor and chivalry, and this was a prudent thing because more efficient weapons technology would have actually destabilized their society on the whole. In contrast, the European civilizations were separate enough that they still considered each other an existential threat. The French complained about the English's use of longbows at the battle of Agincourt as non-chivalrous but this was an empty complaint because there was no greater rule of law above the French and English because they were too independent of one another. Whereas in Japan such a complaint could spell disaster for the perpetrator by turning other warlords against them.

Even now the source of most of our hard core scientific research comes through DARPA and the military industrial complex. But since we aren't currently facing an existential threat there isn't as much of a need for such investments, and funding falls off. I'll tell you right now that if we were worried about an enemy such as soviet Russia having genetically altered super soldiers we would be putting a lot more into genetic engineering ourselves, which would in turn lead to huge medical breakthroughs for civilians. In fact, the most vehement opponents to genetic engineering right now (i.e. conservatives) would be the ones calling for greater funding! It would be the liberals who would be against it. And ultimately the conservatives would win out because the instinct for self-preservation will always trump ethical reservations.
 

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Well most of these "problems" team science is having is the funding.... The people with the cash ask to many question like "is this really possible" "won't that leave a bit to many dead" and "how would I earn money on this..."

Not a bad episode, different does not mean bad... And "Team science" made chuckle to...

I need my jet-pack! and it needs to cost under 100$ and have a great life insurance in the package.... :D
 
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James Mann said:
MrDeckard said:
James Mann said:
MrDeckard said:
James Mann said:
MrDeckard said:
Aaaaaand this is why I kind of HATE nerds....

Rather than just enjoying the episode, we feel the need to pick apart every single thing he said.
So, you hate nerds because they do in writing what bob does in every last one of his episodes? pick things apart, he does it in the big picture, does it in escape to the movies, the game overthinker pretty much speaks for itself.

BUT you clearly dont see this so im just going to look at you, cross my eyes and let out a nice loud "HUUUUUUURRRR"
A couple of things to think about:

1) Bob is a critic. It's what he does for a living, so he has a good reason.

2) When Bob nitpicks something he does it in a fun and creative way in order to inform people, while the majority of the people in this thread are not only boring, but they are only making the corrections because they like feeling smarter than other people.

3) This episode was FUN and few of these people seem to grasp that. Instead they seem intent on taking it too seriously and play Buzzkillington.

Also, your last sentence did not make much sense, so I will assume you were attempting to insult me.
1) Having a good reason for doing something isnt a legitimate reason to enjoy one persons work and insult anothers. Just because people on the internet dont get paid to share their opinions and pick things apart does not make their opinions any less valid, if anything it makes it more valid that someone whos paid, as the person who is paid must exaggerate in order to stand out.

2) Not true, on a lot of occassions he simply rants, he airs his opinions as he sees fit, while there is a sense of showmanship involved in his portrayal. Also, this is an irrelevant point, since you shows annoyance in people picking things apart instead of enjoying them. something bob does continuously through his webshows, it is his job as you said. Picking things apart, a quality you find repellent is the job of the person who you are defending. You clearly were not build to observe your own hypocrisy.

3) Arguable. But thats per personal taste, i personally enjoy seeing what a lot of the people in the comments have to see and find what they pick apart interesting, on top of most of what bob has to say on the big picture, while certain videos bob has produced i have found to be quite the opposite, having very little in term of interesting value or fun. His review of scream 4 and the green lantern movie being prime examples, while i did not enjoy watching either movie so much i found his reveiws of the two movies to be incredibly flawed and needlessly exaggerated to the point of being patronising. Scream 4 in particular.

And my last comment did make sense. And no, for the most part it was not an insult, as i was only trying to make a slight comment at the cyclic logic you implied and the post was only meant as a jestered comment with no real need to reply to it. Buuuut, why should i expect you to find that obvious, clearly you're not too far from my nerd brethren since you felt some compulsion to pick apart a easily ignorable jest at the way you phrased your comment. So i go ahead and sign you up for the weekly nerd newsletter or are you gonna stay in the proverbial closet for a little bit longer?
1) Alright. You win that one. It was a cheap shot and I missed.

2) Arguable. I have yet to see anything he has put out as having no entertainment value. Also, I show annoyance at people picking things apart JUST for the sake of picking things apart. Bob does it for entertainment and to inform people.

3) I was less saying that this is an entertaining video and more that the PURPOSE of the video was fun and entertainment. If some people did not find it to be so, fine. i simply ask that people take things in the spirit they are given.

Not the "Kind of" in my original statement.


You seem to imply that, a) I am not a total nerd myself and, b) dislike the nerd populace in general.

Neither of these things are true. However, I dislike the part of nerd-dom that drives us to pick apart things that do not require nor ask to be picked apart.

And although, yes, your jest was easily ignorable, I considering it was a good third of that post, I felt I should at least try and understand it.
Picking things apart is a rather fun past-time for many intellectual types, you'll find the critical mind required for scientific though tends to develop as a need to pick apart arguments for the sake of forwarding understanding, a point my friends and especially my girlfriend find annoying about me is that i tend to be overcritical of points that generally do not need a critical eye, however its how my brain works, as i'm sure it is with many of the people tearing apart bobs videos, unfortunately this state of mind is something that is very distinctively nerd and is a very integral part of the culture. And i must apologize, but upon reading your initial post i seemed to have glanced past the kind of without acknowledging it and therefore apologize if i therefore implied you were more disapproving of the nerd populace.

To your third point, i suppose to take something in the spirit they are given is of little meaning when the spirit is airing opinions; when i watched his green lantern review i just saw it as being harsh and needless. The joke were lost in a pool of hate and its hard to view the spirit of the review as being one of comedy, but rather of anger which as far as entertainment value goes just isn't that fun, or at least for me. In order to take things in the spirit they are given, it must first and foremost be presented in the spirit you are trying to give, and when i watched this video the tone of it did not seem humorous to me, and while the lack of sincerity in parts is obvious the whole thing just shows bob as an ass, and the whole thing just comes off as annoying to listen to.
Fair enough. Actually, watching the video again, his tone comes off as more than a little trollish.

I'm starting to think he was TRYING to get us all to nitpick and get mad at him on this one...
 

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See the documentary, "Food Inc." It provides an overview of how the American food industry has changed over the past 50 years, including what technology McDonald's is interested in.
 

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MB202 said:
Wow... This episode was AWFUL! Bob really came off as a big dick in this episode. I mean, there was some stuff in the middle, but most of it made me want to punch Bob for being so immature about these things.
Perception check failed.

Could you not tell that he was joking?
 

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Hehehe, my child, dont you know? Common Sense and Logic are the Holy Grail of the 21th Century. It was gone before you know it and because of that reason there is people like Stephen Hawking "the smartest person alive" wasting his fucking time on Time and Space bullshit instead of, you know, researching for curing all illness and improving human standards, to have more people actually be more interested in the scientific research and reach a mayor number of professionals in every branch of science that never before has been reached and, you know, actually be able to read what the fuck his book are about. But no, it wont happen because Stephen only cares about himself.

Why you ask? simply because the only reason he may research something is because he wants to feel superior to all the human elite and nothing else. He thinks that he can make the world bend over over his intellect as a revenge for making him an almost vegetable but by doing so he may end up forgetting that by the time he founds something useful he may die or humanity will be back to the stone age by the sheer stupidity and will use books as toilet paper and the knowledge will be lost forever.

You may say that its to find and prevent cosmic dust or something to reach earth, but when they do find that kind of thing they will be a few people working on in instead of the entire planet helping out at the same lvl of intelligence as them. And good luck finding a government that actually believes and promotes your research, Mr. Hawking

I am sorry Movie Bob. This is my first time watching you and you end up hitting a nerve on me