The Big Picture: Skin Deep

[Nerf Ninja]

I was born after slavery, Jim Crow, etc and I reject the idea that I owe some sort of historical debt.

If you're white and American, then you benefit from that history of slavery, Jim Crow, etc. Why shouldn't you owe a debt? You're benefiting at the expense of others.

And modern blacks haven't benefitted from that history of slavery?

By and large and as a group in the United States, no, they haven't. They've suffered and continue to suffer from those vestiges.

Apart from the fact that they're even in the United states in the first place, with a chance to make something of themselves?

 

[BarbaricGoose]

I thought Goku WAS white? He looks Caucasian, anyway.

 

[JDKJ]

Affirmative action isn't the best way to do that, but it's the best we've got.

Affirmative Action is a bad idea. It's basically arguing the ends justifying evil means.

If I was among the group that benefited from the suffering of others, I probably wouldn't be in any rush to upset the status quo, either. If it ain't broken for you, why would you wanna fix it?

 

[JDKJ]

I was born after slavery, Jim Crow, etc and I reject the idea that I owe some sort of historical debt.

If you're white and American, then you benefit from that history of slavery, Jim Crow, etc. Why shouldn't you owe a debt? You're benefiting at the expense of others.

And modern blacks haven't benefitted from that history of slavery?

By and large and as a group in the United States, no, they haven't. They've suffered and continue to suffer from those vestiges.

Apart from the fact that they're even in the United states in the first place, with a chance to make something of themselves?

You're kidding, right? I've never read the history where the West Africans lined up and fought each other for a berth on a slave ship headed to the New World. As I recall, they ended up here kicking and screaming.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

My god.... They got Bob too.....

WHERE DOES IT END????



OT: Very nice. I don't often agree with you Bob, but you are dead on this time. Plus, he was by far the most awesome character in that movie.

 

[JDKJ]

Affirmative action isn't the best way to do that, but it's the best we've got.

Affirmative Action is a bad idea. It's basically arguing the ends justifying evil means.

If I was among the group that benefited from the suffering of others, I probably wouldn't be in any rush to upset the status quo, either. If it ain't broken for you, why would you wanna fix it?

Because if I don't like Affirmative Action than that means I must oppose any all attempts to benefit minorities.

Flawless logic you got there

Who said anything about anything other than affirmative action?

 

[pilf]

great as always Bob, your best videos are always the ones with a strong message that don't poke around the corners and just get to the point.

Also, please make a Samurai Pizza Cats episode that would be great

 

[moretwocents]

Oh, good God, the Ponies got Bob, too. 4 pictures of them, too!

I personally agree with Bob all the way on this one. Double standards aren't the best thing to fall into, but hey, this world IS s**t. No questions asked.

 

[JDKJ]

I was born after slavery, Jim Crow, etc and I reject the idea that I owe some sort of historical debt.

If you're white and American, then you benefit from that history of slavery, Jim Crow, etc. Why shouldn't you owe a debt? You're benefiting at the expense of others.

that may be but i choose as a person to owe nothing as I feel no responsibility for what happened to your ancestors whom I am almost positive probably did bad things to someones ancestors somewhere down the line.

You can always choose to not acknowledge the debt. That doesn't mean you don't owe the debt.

 

[Nerf Ninja]

I was born after slavery, Jim Crow, etc and I reject the idea that I owe some sort of historical debt.

If you're white and American, then you benefit from that history of slavery, Jim Crow, etc. Why shouldn't you owe a debt? You're benefiting at the expense of others.

And modern blacks haven't benefitted from that history of slavery?

By and large and as a group in the United States, no, they haven't. They've suffered and continue to suffer from those vestiges.

Apart from the fact that they're even in the United states in the first place, with a chance to make something of themselves?

You're kidding, right? I've never read the history where the West Africans lined up and fought each other for a berth on a slave ship headed to the New World. As I recall, they ended up here kicking and screaming.

Pretty sure I was talking about modern black Americans there, yep just checked, I was. I don't dispute that it was hell for those involved in the actual slavery part.

 

[Luke Cartner]

Also the switching of race of Goku or Aang is hardly the same thing as switching the race that happened in Thor... for it to be a true double standard they would need to make Thor black...
Also I would totally go to a movie with a black superman..

 

[JDKJ]

I was born after slavery, Jim Crow, etc and I reject the idea that I owe some sort of historical debt.

If you're white and American, then you benefit from that history of slavery, Jim Crow, etc. Why shouldn't you owe a debt? You're benefiting at the expense of others.

And modern blacks haven't benefitted from that history of slavery?

By and large and as a group in the United States, no, they haven't. They've suffered and continue to suffer from those vestiges.

Apart from the fact that they're even in the United states in the first place, with a chance to make something of themselves?

You're kidding, right? I've never read the history where the West Africans lined up and fought each other for a berth on a slave ship headed to the New World. As I recall, they ended up here kicking and screaming.

Pretty sure I was talking about modern black Americans there, yep just checked, I was. I don't dispute that it was hell for those involved in the actual slavery part.

Do you understand what a "vestige" is? And why is your account of History stopping at the abolition of slavery? The unfair treatment of blacks in American wasn't legally abolished until the 1950s (see Brown v. Board of Education and related cases) and, in some cases, later than that (it was illegal for blacks to marry whites until the 1970s (see Virginia v. Loving) and the school desegregation cases, some of which festered on until the early 1980s)).

 

[Raregolddragon]

Sadly there is only one thing I am going to take form this episode right now and its this

Movie bob must watch or likes My Little Pony Friendship is Magic.

Also bob if you can get a Samaria Pizza cats episode done (I watch this when I little and would like to see this topic looked at) but see if there crazy levels are as high to let you do a MLP episode.

 

[Brinnmilo]

I was born after slavery, Jim Crow, etc and I reject the idea that I owe some sort of historical debt.

If you're white and American, then you benefit from that history of slavery, Jim Crow, etc. Why shouldn't you owe a debt?

Because I didn't do anything. The fact that I benefited is not my fault and I cannot make the benefits go away.

You're benefiting at the expense of others.

You could argue that all of humanity benefited from slaves (not just African slaves, but any slave going back to ancient times).

No, but you can (a) recognize the fact that you have benefited and (b) don't claim that you don't owe that benefit to the burden of others.

JDKJ you are surely a troll. I bet you are sat there right now with your gleaming troll face smile, nice and fat from all the feeding that every one has given you this evening?

(a) He did recognise that he benefited - "The fact that I benefited"

(b) He actually went so far in the other direction to what you claim he is claiming... right that is hard to understand. To clarify, you seem to think that he doesn't think he owes any one for the "benefit" when in fact he says that every one owes the "benefits" to every one. He transcends the whole Black & White relationship extending the "racism and slavery is bad" to a much wider spectrum of social status and race. - "You could argue that all of humanity benefited from slaves (not just African slaves, but any slave going back to ancient times)"