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Thanks Bob. I have been informing people of these practices for years (including a girlfriend who was a member, had multiple animals as pets, and no idea they were actually against her). One more addition, PETA funds terrorist activities by animal rights extremists.
The whole organization is a blight on our country, and sadly average people fund them because they think "I like animals, and so does PETA. I will give them money." If everyone knew what PETA was all about the vast majority of people would not give them a dime.
The whole organization is a blight on our country, and sadly average people fund them because they think "I like animals, and so does PETA. I will give them money." If everyone knew what PETA was all about the vast majority of people would not give them a dime.
This is one of the things I was alluding to (although it was Michigan State University, but that is picking nits), so you beat me to it. They fund eco-terrorism. The people that run PETA are complete nutjobs that hide their true goals behind the mask of helping animals.Jennacide said:
BTW...another fun one that Penn and Teller talked about. The VP of PETA uses insulin, which contains animal byproducts. A practice PETA would end given the opportunity. That is right, the VP gladly saves her own life while wanting to deny you the same thing. The whole organization is hypocritical and unethical.
Worse, really. I think it's fairly well understood, even by the sorts of people that have made careers out of hating on Christians (Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, P.Z. Meyers), that nobody is as evil as the WBC except the WBC. Whereas PETA is frequently taken seriously as a representative of animal-rights people or even people who are against animal cruelty in general.Glass Joe the Champ said:
Take, for example, one episode of "The Nostalgia Critic" (I forget which one); he was talking about a character from whatever movie he was riffing on and how whatever he was doing constituted animal cruelty, and added "Somebody call fucking PETA!" Not "Somebody call the fucking SPCA" or something like that. I know it was just a random joke, but seeing how it had nothing to do with ecoterrorism or the senseless slaughter of people's pets (yes, I've known what PETA does for some time now) it was like calling for Osama bin Laden to deal with a character who hates Muslims.
As good and interesting as this episode was I feel the need to just go and hug my dog for a while.
Giest4life said:
Solipsistic (I think that's the right word) much?
OT: PeTA. Not a huge fan. I love my family's dog. I love animals. But like some other animals, I enjoy meat. So yeah. I detest PETA. If you have to resort to violence and comparing people to Hitler to get your point across, you've lost. I'm sorry, but you've not a leg to stand upon.
90%? Damn, and I thought the animal shelter in my town had a high euthanasia rate. I mean, I knew PETA was a BS organization who never practiced what they preached and have beliefs that flat-out conflicted with their alleged goal, but that is just... wow.
The animal shelter in my town has about an 80% euthanasia rate, a day. They have an old Dodge Pickup, which I call the Grave Runner, that routinely takes the bodies of euthanized animals to be "disposed of" multiple times a day. And I'm talking it's bed is full.
While I'm applauded at how many are killed each day, they kind of don't have a choice. Well they do, but the second option is try to stuff eight animals into a cage built to hold one. The problem stems from two things:
1) Too many ignorant people flat-out refusing to get their pets neutered or spaded.
2) Our moronic city council not giving the shelter the money it needs to get expansions that are 20 years overdue.
So yes. Please get your pets neutered or spaded. If you're worried about the cost then search around, and I'm sure you'll find a local program that will help with the cost. Just don't ask PETA for help.
The animal shelter in my town has about an 80% euthanasia rate, a day. They have an old Dodge Pickup, which I call the Grave Runner, that routinely takes the bodies of euthanized animals to be "disposed of" multiple times a day. And I'm talking it's bed is full.
While I'm applauded at how many are killed each day, they kind of don't have a choice. Well they do, but the second option is try to stuff eight animals into a cage built to hold one. The problem stems from two things:
1) Too many ignorant people flat-out refusing to get their pets neutered or spaded.
2) Our moronic city council not giving the shelter the money it needs to get expansions that are 20 years overdue.
So yes. Please get your pets neutered or spaded. If you're worried about the cost then search around, and I'm sure you'll find a local program that will help with the cost. Just don't ask PETA for help.
I did know about the pet and euthanasia thing. They almost seem like a group of videogame supervillans.
Yeah, donate to the ASPCA instead, they're the ones that are actually working with animals and trying to re-home them/taking them away from abusive homes. At least when they euthanize their animals it's when they don't have a choice/money/space.
Yeah, donate to the ASPCA instead, they're the ones that are actually working with animals and trying to re-home them/taking them away from abusive homes. At least when they euthanize their animals it's when they don't have a choice/money/space.
Solipsistic is the wrong adjective to describe me, there. Solipsism is an epistemological viewpoint, not social theory.CM156 said:Giest4life said:
Solipsistic (I think that's the right word) much?
Fair enough.Giest4life said:Solipsistic is the wrong adjective to describe me, there. Solipsism is an epistemological viewpoint, not social theory.CM156 said:Giest4life said:
Solipsistic (I think that's the right word) much?
You are aware, though, that the idea of unalienable rights are the basic foundation of Western Law, along with Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (Presumption of innocence) and due process of law, right? By saying that there is no such thing as "rights" you're calling the western legal system a sham. Perhaps what you're trying to say is that rights change over time due to different values of a culture. Is that correct?
Pen & Teller did a great episode of Bullshit on PETA. Including their tie to and support of domestic terrorist groups.
I'm normally one of the "I may not agree with what your saying, but will fight to the death for your right to say it" crowd but for PETA I think I'm willing to make an exception, or at least look the other way while someone shuts the down.
I'm normally one of the "I may not agree with what your saying, but will fight to the death for your right to say it" crowd but for PETA I think I'm willing to make an exception, or at least look the other way while someone shuts the down.
Sweet, a game of Semantics. Can I play?Giest4life said:Solipsistic is the wrong adjective to describe me, there. Solipsism is an epistemological viewpoint, not social theory.CM156 said:Giest4life said:
Solipsistic (I think that's the right word) much?
"Its not Psychology, its Sociology."
Anyways, let me ask you this: (and I'm sure I'm opening a dark door here...) Even if you cannot feel any empathy for animals or fellow humans, can you still deny how interaction with them in your life is necessary? If not, can you tell me that supporting their well-being ultimately serves your own existence?
Does Bob not read the Escapist? The Escapist explained that Peta intended the whole Mario thing to be seen as a joke [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114245-PETA-Bloody-Mario-Was-Tongue-In-Cheek] (they don't genuinely believe that Mario promotes the fur trade).
Now I hate having to defend such a shitty organisation, but I have to make some points about some of the hard truths Bob tells about Peta.
1) In regards to the high rates of euthanasia; they specifically advertise themselves as a euthanasia clinic, and people regularly approach them with pets they want to euthanise. Most keenels and shelters don't provide this service, hence why their rates of euthanasia are lower (though still usually about 60-70%). The euthanasia service is regulated, and it is apparently humane and performed by professionals. Seeing as how they are officially against you owning a pet in the first place, they see it as a means of making the best of a bad situation. Yeah, I think it is bullshit that they kill nearly every pet they take in - but the devil is in the details: most people hand their pets to them for the purpose of being euthanised, and those who hand their pets over without realising they will be killed - wait, have they never heard of peta before?
2) The specific incident of the two guys ditching animal corpses was not a case of animal cruelty. They were not condemned for being cruel to the animals (which had been euthanised in a legally sanctioned method) but they were indeed criticised for unceremoniously ditching the bodies in garbage cans. Their excuse? "The corpses were stinking up the van". Okay, that isn't acceptable, but it isn't animal cruelty (in the eyes of the law at least).
I genuinely dislike defending peta, but I do like peta for some things. I especially like their ad campaigns where Eva Mendez poses nude in protest against the fur trade.
"Stop buying fur, and we'll stop sending you naked pictures of celebrities!"
Yeah, I can't see that plan back firing at all.
Now I hate having to defend such a shitty organisation, but I have to make some points about some of the hard truths Bob tells about Peta.
1) In regards to the high rates of euthanasia; they specifically advertise themselves as a euthanasia clinic, and people regularly approach them with pets they want to euthanise. Most keenels and shelters don't provide this service, hence why their rates of euthanasia are lower (though still usually about 60-70%). The euthanasia service is regulated, and it is apparently humane and performed by professionals. Seeing as how they are officially against you owning a pet in the first place, they see it as a means of making the best of a bad situation. Yeah, I think it is bullshit that they kill nearly every pet they take in - but the devil is in the details: most people hand their pets to them for the purpose of being euthanised, and those who hand their pets over without realising they will be killed - wait, have they never heard of peta before?
2) The specific incident of the two guys ditching animal corpses was not a case of animal cruelty. They were not condemned for being cruel to the animals (which had been euthanised in a legally sanctioned method) but they were indeed criticised for unceremoniously ditching the bodies in garbage cans. Their excuse? "The corpses were stinking up the van". Okay, that isn't acceptable, but it isn't animal cruelty (in the eyes of the law at least).
I genuinely dislike defending peta, but I do like peta for some things. I especially like their ad campaigns where Eva Mendez poses nude in protest against the fur trade.
Yeah, I can't see that plan back firing at all.
Wow...that made me really REALLY angry...
So angry, that I went and gave my cat a hug...who was also a rescue...
"$#%# you, mario"?
No...
"Fuck you, PETA"
So angry, that I went and gave my cat a hug...who was also a rescue...
"$#%# you, mario"?
No...
"Fuck you, PETA"